EPTThough speaking of QXC, I think he might actually start winning tournaments once he finishes college, he seems extremely driven
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jtp118
United States137 Posts
Though speaking of QXC, I think he might actually start winning tournaments once he finishes college, he seems extremely driven | ||
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Marddox
United Kingdom108 Posts
On April 22 2012 11:19 Kraznaya wrote: It's not b4's fault that hes a lot funnier than alive :< Also hasn't BBoongbboongs off the record been out for longer too? | ||
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Neelia
Germany599 Posts
On April 21 2012 08:04 Highways wrote: Agreed, time for the 2nd gen of foreigners to rise. Well, I'd say that's pretty hard or next to impossible if the big teams (TL/EG/col come to mind) only pick up koreans these days. Maybe I've missed out on some awesome fan interaction but at least to me Puma/JYP/HerO/Zenio/Taeja are as 'faceless' as players like Squirtle, Alive, Maru and most of the others who got named in this thread. The only thing making me relate at least a bit to them are their jerseys and seeing them more regular but that doesn't make me root for them or tune in if they play other players I can't relate too. I'm a bit concerned about the future of foreign sc2 due to picking up (only) koreans instead of foreigners. Yeah, they will show better or/and more short term results but it kinda kills the fun of the tournaments (at least for me). If I want to see the highest quality of play I'd rather watch GSL where players aren't tired as hell after 3 days and can prepare special stuff. The typical foreign tournament (MLG/IPL/DH) lives on storylines (for me at least) and most koreans (no matter where foreign or korean team) don't really provide much in this regard. Also it's a bit disturbing to me that koreans on korean teams show more personality/fan interaction than some koreans on foreign teams. MKP/DRG/Polt saying single sentences in broken English shows to me that they care for the foreign audience/fans where as I've never heard a single english sentence from most koreans on foreign teams (only MC comes to mind). Not sure how long the foreign sc2 scene can sustain huge tournaments like MLG/DH/IPL if this continues. | ||
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RavenLoud
Canada1100 Posts
On April 22 2012 21:33 Wasteweiser wrote: After watching so much sc2 and getting glimpses of korean culture i'll be dead honest, i don't like their culture at all, and even if i went pro enough to win a gsl, i'd be very hesitant to go to korea and compete. Why? because of how the majority of the SC2 pros act coming from korea, all bland and very unintresting. There are like 3 player's personalities that i enjoy from korea and half of them are a bit against the grain of their culture, MC, Genius, MKP. MC and Genius are cocky and confident, its a lovely contrast to everyone else while MKP holds his emotions on his sleeve, making you want him to succeed. Really I want to see player's emotions, like watching Grubby, Dimaga, Naniwa ect.. These guys explode with happiness when they win, it shows they have passion, it shows they're human and those are the people you want to cheer for. You can take a look at the fighting game scene at a prime player that everyone seems hates, even in his own country, Diago Umehara. Nobody wants to see a machine win everything, and thats exactly what korea comes of to me as, breed machines with their only intrest in "showing a good game". I'll never forget Diago finally falling to pieces in last years EVO, After a hilarious pre game warm up from Poongko (resulting of chugging a whole red bull, whipping his belt off to get comfortable (everyone thought he was about to strip)), he finally the first player to utter destroy Diago in the most convincing fashion complete with a perfect, afterwards saluting the crowd. It's players like Poongko that we watch esports, and sports in general. I don't want to cheer for a machine, i want to cheer for a human being that shows evidence of hard work and celebrates for all his hard work because it finally paid off. Really makes me miss CS1.6, i'll never forget the screams of victory whenever teams like 3D or SK won back in the day, you could tell they were giving it their all. Poongko VS Diago Poongko's opening celebration and all if anyone is intrested in that. Team 3D vs SK Team 3D vs SK at CPL, a bit longer video but really shows how into they get, you can see how disappointed teams get when they lose, all the stress built up for SK when 3D tiesup the series and just the yelling you hear through the entire lan everytime they take a round. I agree with what you're saying. I wasn't even around until 2010, but just watching the old BW games of Boxer etc gave me exactly what you're describing. That guy is such a rockstar, without him there would be no esports in Korea. I rarely get that feeling in SC2. There has been too much macro terran domination for me. I'm not sure if I'd blame it on the korean culture per se, Koreans aren't that boring once you get to know them. They play boring because safe play is boring, and safe play often win you games, get you money and it's completely fair. I think you could do without that assumption. Their culture do have its own problems, but watching SC2 doesn't make you an expert on it. Besides, the korean commentators are leagues above that of their foreign peers, precisely because they bring so much excitement compared to your "Well the game is over at this point" style of many non-korean casters. That fact contradict your allegation. | ||
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JacobShock
Denmark2485 Posts
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PhiliBiRD
United States2643 Posts
koreans taking over tournies is why i gave up SC2 in the first place... nearly a year ago | ||
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Huitzi
United States33 Posts
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Randomaccount#77123
United States5003 Posts
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snakeeyez
United States1231 Posts
Im a foreigner and I generally always always want the koreans to win I could care less if the player speaks english or not I want the most skilled player to win regardless of foreigner or not. | ||
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Xirroh
Canada146 Posts
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rei
United States3594 Posts
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dUTtrOACh
Canada2339 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
Also, can't wait for QXC to be finished with college. He's one of the very few players that seem to scientifically try and experiment out builds and timings, rather than just "feeling" them through. During his time during summer, when he was able to train seriously, and was able to all kill IM. | ||
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Glurkenspurk
United States1915 Posts
On April 22 2012 19:21 Otolia wrote: I'm waiting for Plexa to tell NonY, TLO and Jinro to retire because they are taking the places of newcomers. Sometimes you have to start by showing a good example, and Plexa certainly has more influence on TL lineup than any other who posted here. So why won't that happen ? My take is that it's always easier to point fingers at others than do the right (according to one's own opinion) thing. Aside from that, promising players are not likely to thrash their future up for a place in a top team. We are trying to force the professionalization of eSports when I think it's too soon. Time will tell but if we don't get more foreign competitive newcomers in a few years, there would be no coming back. Koreans are training to be pro and they aren't paid, their life are miserable by my standards but in the west, a kid cannot bet his life on a game that will have a lifespan of around 15 years max (as shown by the original SC scene) whatis he going to do afterwards if he doesn't succeed ? Well return to poverty like so many Koreans whom you never heard of and were destroyed by the draft system, never had a chance to play a televised game and had no college degree. This topic is much more complex than it seems but all in all we have to get rid of the past to make room for the present. And so far it isn't happening. I can assure you that Plexa was as disappointed as everyone else when Tyler wasn't practicing and being as good as he should have been. | ||
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FXOBoSs
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Glurkenspurk
United States1915 Posts
On April 23 2012 10:25 FXOBoSs wrote: Very nice post plexa. It actually highlights many of the reasons I have made certain decisions. Explain what those certain decisions are? | ||
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kochujang
Germany1226 Posts
On April 23 2012 05:11 Barrin wrote: I don't wanna throw it all on them or anything, but I feel like most casters could do a better job making a story/connection with these korean players :> Moletrap is perhaps the only one who made an effort to dig up information about the GSL players. Even though the almighty Artosis is always "catching up on watching the VODs", I have the feeling he does not make the extra effort to inform himself of the lesser known players. I hope Khaldor (hope you read this!) will show us the light on how to come extra prepared into a casting show. | ||
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FXOBoSs
337 Posts
I'd prefer not to be stabbed with pitch forks today. Perhaps some other time. | ||
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Bobo_XIII
United States429 Posts
On April 23 2012 12:11 FXOBoSs wrote: I'd prefer not to be stabbed with pitch forks today. Perhaps some other time. I foresee people getting more angry at you for mentioning it then not explaining... I think it'd have been best to not tease people like that | ||
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FXOBoSs
337 Posts
On April 23 2012 12:17 Bobo_XIII wrote: I foresee people getting more angry at you for mentioning it then not explaining... I think it'd have been best to not tease people like that I don't. But an example of a decision would be to focus on our korean team ahead of foreign players. Because financially the ones you will get a big return out of will cost too much and won't win anything. Korean market is just better because its skill based not PR spinning crap. Take the NBA, the biggest hyped players, are the best players. In SC2 its like completely opposite. The most hyped players, don't really win anything. Or have won something, but won't win again. I hope this has satisfied you. | ||
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