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Alacast
United States205 Posts
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Hall0wed
United States8486 Posts
You people are so silly. | ||
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sc14s
United States5052 Posts
On April 24 2012 14:48 Hall0wed wrote: alive and Squirtle are only faceless to those that don't follow the scene well enough. You people are so silly. They aren't faceless however they aren't exactly superstars generally. What he means by faceless is you could insert another player of the same race at the same caliber and most people wouldn't know that difference. | ||
Xxio
Canada5565 Posts
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sc14s
United States5052 Posts
On April 24 2012 13:15 Alacast wrote: I blame foreigner-biased fans who are blind to true talent and will constantly wave the banner of outdated and poorly-performing foreigners purely to make a statement. If said people would realize that talent is its own reward and stop blindly supporting has-beens, they would quickly realize that there are a great number of talented players outside of Korea who are worth of their time. People blindly bash Korean bias without realizing that it's built entirely on performance rather than being a petty popularity contest. Starcraft is, at its heart, a competitive and highly-demanding game. Blindly rooting for a contender based off of anything else is, in my opinion, a slap in the face to those who put in untold hours to be the best and remain humble all the while. That being said, this whole situation will work itself out with time. The skilled foreigners with enough luck and skill to succeed without golden-platter opportunities will usher in a new age of foreigners to cheer for, and the old guard will be forced to pass on the torch. Here's to Stephano, Thorzain, Naniwa, and HuK-leading the way. Gosh! so wrong to root for your home team apparently and should ONLY root for true skill guess i have to go with Yankees, Lakers and the soviets (for hockey) since its criminal to do it any other way. | ||
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Hall0wed
United States8486 Posts
On April 24 2012 14:57 sc14s wrote: They aren't faceless however they aren't exactly superstars generally. What he means by faceless is you could insert another player of the same race at the same caliber and most people wouldn't know that difference. I understand that but I don't agree with that either. Squirtle is the best player in the Universe (he created Nestea after all) and those that do not understand that shall soon come to terms with their new overlord. | ||
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sc14s
United States5052 Posts
On April 24 2012 15:30 Hall0wed wrote: I understand that but I don't agree with that either. Squirtle is the best player in the Universe (he created Nestea after all) and those that do not understand that shall soon come to terms with their new overlord. you don't have to agree i guess but really its the truth when it comes to casual sc2 viewership whether you want to agree with it or not i really don't care. | ||
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Hall0wed
United States8486 Posts
On April 24 2012 15:07 sc14s wrote: Gosh! so wrong to root for your home team apparently and should ONLY root for true skill guess i have to go with Yankees, Lakers and the soviets (for hockey) since its criminal to do it any other way. Horrid analogy really. | ||
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sc14s
United States5052 Posts
Its an equivalent analogy? not to mention that is essentially what he is saying when i root for US players that aren't top tier. | ||
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capu
Finland224 Posts
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Kiichol
Sweden182 Posts
I have a theory that the "skill advocates" are the spectators that actually play the game. Whereas people who don't play any more (or people who have never played at all) are watching for completely different reasons. While all the epic builds the best players use are impressive. People who don't play don't put such an equally high value on them as people who play actively. just my 2 cents. | ||
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lannisport
878 Posts
On April 24 2012 18:09 Kiichol wrote: I have a theory that the "skill advocates" are the spectators that actually play the game. Whereas people who don't play any more (or people who have never played at all) are watching for completely different reasons. While all the epic builds the best players use are impressive. People who don't play don't put such an equally high value on them as people who play actively. just my 2 cents. This is probably true. I'd say that people who play also care mostly about their own races. They watch to learn. | ||
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sc14s
United States5052 Posts
On April 24 2012 18:09 Kiichol wrote: Cheering for foreigners only isn't something I can just stop doing. No matter how much the "skill advocates" push their completely rational and sound arguments. Skill is impressive, undoubtedly. It's just I need something to be able to relate to. Koreans come from a foreign land on the other side of the planet and while I have nothing against them, I just cannot relate to them. Thus tournaments lose a lot of their entertainment value when it's only Koreans left. I have a theory that the "skill advocates" are the spectators that actually play the game. Whereas people who don't play any more (or people who have never played at all) are watching for completely different reasons. While all the epic builds the best players use are impressive. People who don't play don't put such an equally high value on them as people who play actively. just my 2 cents. It might be plausible but certainly I don't fit the mold (granted im fairly casual at platinum w/ 5-10 games a week) I still play the game and am not a "skill advocate" xD. Otoh though my masters level RL friend is a skill advocate and hes certainly more skilled than i am so I guess i can get behind your argument  | ||
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Saechiis
Netherlands4989 Posts
This kind of shit makes Koreans a lot easier to relate to, they should have Violet do informal interviews with Koreans at big foreign events all the time  | ||
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Kambing
United States1176 Posts
There are three parties in growing the foreign scene: (1) The teams and players (2) The tournament organizers and sponsors (3) The spectators On their own, no one has great incentive to grow the scene. Really, one or more of the parties need to invest/take a risk in the scene: (1) Players with potential need to sacrifice some of their social well-being to train to reach the next level. Teams need to take the financial risk to support these players. (2) Tournament organizers and sponsors need to create grassroots-focused events that give incentive to foreigners to train and get better but at the risk of being shunned by spectators that only want to watch "the best" play. (3) Spectators need to support the players, teams, tournaments, and sponsors that are focused on growing the scene. This may mean not watching GSL-quality games or productions that are not as well-polished as an IPL or MLG. And I think we're slowly getting there with showmatches and small events. But only time --- on the order of years ---- will tell if the investments we put into the scene now will pay off. And that's probably the scariest proposition of all. | ||
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EnderSword
Canada669 Posts
We can look at the Koreans who are not faceless and who are fan favourites: MC is probably #1, DRG, Nestea, Genius, July, Boxer, MKP... People give a crap about those guys, whether they're the best or not. And when you have a new guy pop up, people can start pulling for him. DRG came in later and was very hyped. Alicia had his moments, Parting... The problem I don't think is just Faceless Korean, because those people can gain faces through stories, performance and so on, even to casuals. I think the part the audience has completed soured on is 'Terran Player with no measurable Human Personality, Korean or Not' I think when we hit that total Terran pool of like 25 Terrans in GSL or whatever it was, I think a lot of people started to tune out new Terrans. Alive just couldn't be more generic, its hard to give a crap about him, or Polt, or the other 82 of them. Boxer is loved by divine right, and MKP I'm pretty sure is a kitten wearing people-clothes. But even MVP...undeniably dominant, but did anyone actually care? People like personality, and people like underdogs becoming winners. We've not seen a lot of these guys have personalities, and its too ingrained in us by now, A Korean Terran simply is not the underdog. I think the story telling aspects are going to help a lot as it develops, and things like OTR will help as well. But ya, it's going to take a little time and healing before people can embrace a new Terran. | ||
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neoghaleon55
United States7435 Posts
Thank you for writing this, Plexa. I want to add that another way to beat the "Faceless Korean" syndrome is for tournaments to give the Koreans they invite a face! They can do this by giving interviews/ pre-made videos. Maybe show where the Korean came from, his aspiring hopes and dreams. The problem is many great Korean players have terrible PR relations with the west. No tournament right now is giving them enough of a facet to explain who they are. I imagine aLive's win at IPL4 would have been a lot better received if we actually knew who the hell he is as a person. Not everyone can be a DongRaeGu with a funny/awesome personality...many of them need a push of fame through these media contents. | ||
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