EPTOn April 21 2012 03:13 Jinsho wrote:
I only care about foreigners.
I only care about foreigners.
Thats racist! JK lol, but in the future I'm pretty sure the foreigners will be all but weeded out from most major events.
Stunted Growth of SC2 - Page 12
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Luepert
United States1933 Posts
Thats racist! JK lol, but in the future I'm pretty sure the foreigners will be all but weeded out from most major events. | ||
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Myrddraal
Australia937 Posts
On April 22 2012 21:33 Wasteweiser wrote: After watching so much sc2 and getting glimpses of korean culture i'll be dead honest, i don't like their culture at all, and even if i went pro enough to win a gsl, i'd be very hesitant to go to korea and compete. Why? because of how the majority of the SC2 pros act coming from korea, all bland and very unintresting. There are like 3 player's personalities that i enjoy from korea and half of them are a bit against the grain of their culture, MC, Genius, MKP. MC and Genius are cocky and confident, its a lovely contrast to everyone else while MKP holds his emotions on his sleeve, making you want him to succeed. Really I want to see player's emotions, like watching Grubby, Dimaga, Naniwa ect.. These guys explode with happiness when they win, it shows they have passion, it shows they're human and those are the people you want to cheer for. It doesn't sound like you have watched much of the Korean scene at all if those are the only personalities you find interesting. If anything DRG is much more cocky than Genius and managed to back it up more often, in the last interviews from Genius he was the opposite of cocky. And if your looking for a player who shows his emotions, what about HerO? Even in victory he sometimes looks like he is on the verge of breaking down, and often posts heartfelt messages to his fans in his fan club referring to us as his 'brothers and sisters' asking us to cheer for him whether he wins or loses. I even find Curious interesting for the complete opposite reason, as Wolf always mentions, that he tries to take all emotion out of the equation when he is in the booth, making him look like a stone cold killer. There are plenty of interesting personalities in Korea, but you wont be likely to find out about them unless you actively follow their matches and their background stories. | ||
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Zariel
Australia1277 Posts
When 2 relatively unknown players dish it out in a grand finals, it does make it very boring. (Think Hydra vs Great). Both players weren't that flashy plus it was ZvZ. The commentators tried to put a shitload of effort into initiating as much hype as possible (How Shark described the larva resource mechanics). Alot of marketing is truly required, things such as TV ads on drinks/food/IT products create hype. Think of Stork and Samsung, Flash and KT/Pocari sweat. People out there that aren't all that interested in SC2 need to see those players faces EVERYWHERE. That's how the message gets across. There is simply little to no advertisement of players in my books, please show me if there is. Not only on ads, but also on random TV shows and interviews also build up reputation and acknowledgement of players out there. Fomos/DES/OGN provide a good basis in helping these players get their name out there. Last but not least, another issue I find is the skill deviation in SC2 between players. Yet also correlated to the fact that SC2 is very young still, the skill difference isn't overly huge IMO. In BW you can clearly (I mean very clearly) see differences in decision making/macro/micro between the top tier players and the lower tier players where I have failed to observe in SC2. This maybe just me being biased towards SC:BW, but again, I'm just voicing my opinion so don't quote me on it. | ||
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danl9rm
United States3111 Posts
Yes, we have some good foreigners, but the odds aren't there. A smart bet will almost always side with the Koreans. All that said, I'm very glad that Koreans are flying to foreign events and foreigners are flying to Korean events. It's really starting to look global to me. | ||
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docvoc
United States5491 Posts
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Glurkenspurk
United States1915 Posts
On April 23 2012 12:27 FXOBoSs wrote: I don't. But an example of a decision would be to focus on our korean team ahead of foreign players. Because financially the ones you will get a big return out of will cost too much and won't win anything. Korean market is just better because its skill based not PR spinning crap. Take the NBA, the biggest hyped players, are the best players. In SC2 its like completely opposite. The most hyped players, don't really win anything. Or have won something, but won't win again. I hope this has satisfied you. Would you say that funneling money into fou and putting previously faceless Koreans into the spotlight has been a better decision than your previous idea of raising a "family" of foreign players? What do you think foreign teams along with up and coming players can do to compete with pro house living Koreans? What is your opinion on foreign teams also investing heavily into established Korean players over newer foreign ones? I've always been interested in FXO. You seem like one of the smarter dudes in sc2 esports, unfortunately people seem too quick to blindly jump on bandwagons and drama over simply reading things. | ||
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Wasteweiser
Canada522 Posts
On April 23 2012 13:17 Myrddraal wrote: It doesn't sound like you have watched much of the Korean scene at all if those are the only personalities you find interesting. If anything DRG is much more cocky than Genius and managed to back it up more often, in the last interviews from Genius he was the opposite of cocky. And if your looking for a player who shows his emotions, what about HerO? Even in victory he sometimes looks like he is on the verge of breaking down, and often posts heartfelt messages to his fans in his fan club referring to us as his 'brothers and sisters' asking us to cheer for him whether he wins or loses. I even find Curious interesting for the complete opposite reason, as Wolf always mentions, that he tries to take all emotion out of the equation when he is in the booth, making him look like a stone cold killer. There are plenty of interesting personalities in Korea, but you wont be likely to find out about them unless you actively follow their matches and their background stories. To be honest i've completely stopped watching gsl all togeather as of recent. (the rise of DRG in code s) Also HerO I didn't follow at all, I just saw it as TL fanboyism surrounding him, I love his play and demonstrates extremely high levels of skill (I did consider him the best protoss in the world a few months back) but I haven't seen any real personality from him, or drg, or curious. It also doesn't help that events like MLG arena are now pov, i've almost entirely stopped watching SC2, I just play and watch replays. You could definitly say im very ignorant of what the scene is right now, and thats absolutely true, but the scene was definitly very bland after the first GSLs and very little personalities crept out. Anyone who conforms to the status quo in korea doesn't exactly bring a compelling personality, its just the same old crap, its why i never watch korean interviews, almost ever. | ||
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Mawi
Sweden4365 Posts
The second thing i hate most is how people hype too much OMG x foreign is gonna win FUCK YEAH and u see that person lose horribly in his first matchup and that just doesn't look good, Heck all the times the chat is filled with OMFG he should of done x this and x that and then follow with x people just think it's easy to win doing bullshit things. One major thing is foreign training camp its just a joke seeing how people go THIS man right here i swear he just practiced x amount of days/hours/months so what his practice partners is the ones that can make him shine not just mass ladder game + stream all the time havent played SC2 in like 1year+many months don't think im gonna watch any major tournaments from now on, TL will still be my nr 1 news source | ||
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DarKFoRcE
Germany1215 Posts
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scDeluX
Canada1341 Posts
Getting them to tournys is another story. I also believe there should be less invite and more online qualifier and such. As for Korean PR wait until Kespa teams gets to MLG and such. It's going to explode. | ||
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xwoGworwaTsx
United States984 Posts
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Bleak
Turkey3059 Posts
It is getting boring to watch imo, usually there isn't any reason to watch any game of foreigners because they'll get steamrolled (few exceptions remain, like Huk, Stephano or Naniwa and maybeee Thorzain/Socke) I usualy only tune into semis and finals because the rest just bores me. | ||
disciple
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kakaman
United States1576 Posts
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t0k3n98
United States27 Posts
On April 24 2012 00:02 xwoGworwaTsx wrote: This is misleading to be honest. sc2 is doing better than fine and the "unpopular" korean theory might be applicable only to a few die-hards who don't really follow sc2. me and my friends have followed all mlg and even the terrible nasl, and we have always been excited, and we believe 90% of the crowd as well, wheneevr a korean is playing, much more in the late stages or in the finals. No, this is not misleading it is very true. You don't have any facts to back up what you are saying other than "your friend" well me and my friend watch SC2 as well, but when all the forginers are gone we just stop watching and go play something else because we lose interest. Also this unpopular unpopular Korean theory only DOESN'T apply to the die-hard SC2 fans who will put in the time to learn about players, not the other way around. Your the crowd theory of yours is also not true as was mentioned by people at the event saying it felt like there was no one left at the end when it was just two Koreans playing for champion. Finally the numbers back the claim that Sc2 isn't growing, its stagnant and everyone knows after stagnation there will be a decline, and no this isn't the casuals leaving, they left in year one. @ everyone who says i need to do research on "faceless" koreans so they aren't faceless anymore, it's not my job to research players. I didn't learn Idra's personality by looking him up, I didn't learn about Kobe by googling him, and I sure as hell won't go looking up stuff about some random korean that shows up at tournaments. I spend all year in school doing HW and researching and if I am paying for entertainment that I have to do work on then I guess ill just be watching free streams from now on. P.S Great read Plexa | ||
Xxio
Canada5565 Posts
On April 24 2012 00:20 disciple wrote: A lot of the current good koreans lack personality but we are soon approaching a new era when a lot of koreans with major fanbases and charisma to spare are going to start playing SC2 for real. I think a big factor in developing Brood War personalities was the production. Zooming in on Jaedong's death-stare, for an example, or cutting to a shot of a team's reactions. This is what OGN can provide. On April 22 2012 00:53 killerdog wrote: This reminds me of the old "final edits" articles on tl. Have those just stopped being written (rplaced with featured blogs?) because if not this deserves to be one. I love reading well thought out opinion pieces like this, even if i don't neccesarily agree with everything said, seeing a properly formulated argument is nice enough in itself  There are opinion pieces included in larger recap/preview articles, but you're right, not many stand-alone editorials these days. Check this out if you haven't already: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=330795 | ||
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See.Blue
United States2673 Posts
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
On April 23 2012 03:07 Marddox wrote: Also hasn't BBoongbboongs off the record been out for longer too? Na b4o4's off the record came out a week later than Alive's. | ||
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b0mBerMan
Japan271 Posts
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Alacast
United States205 Posts
Starcraft is, at its heart, a competitive and highly-demanding game. Blindly rooting for a contender based off of anything else is, in my opinion, a slap in the face to those who put in untold hours to be the best and remain humble all the while. That being said, this whole situation will work itself out with time. The skilled foreigners with enough luck and skill to succeed without golden-platter opportunities will usher in a new age of foreigners to cheer for, and the old guard will be forced to pass on the torch. Here's to Stephano, Thorzain, Naniwa, and HuK-leading the way. | ||
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