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That's a really good photo btw
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Good call. Glad this was able to be resolved with class from both sides.
Hope this won't scare you off from upcoming events. Which BarCraft will you be covering/attending tomorrow?
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I think it is awesome that MLG responded so hastily. It is good to know that everything was settled in a mature and understanding way. Of course there could have been legal stipulations in their policies somewhere they decided to just keep a fan happy and admit they messed up. Though perhaps a small issue from an onlookers POV I can understand the anger felt when intellectual property is used without permission.
Good on MLG and I am happy to see everything was settled in a good way.
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On February 27 2012 07:47 Primadog wrote:
Good call. Glad this was able to be resolved with class from both sides.
Hope this won't scare you off from upcoming events. Which BarCraft will you be covering/attending tomorrow?
Tomorrow? There's a Barcraft tomorrow? WHERE!
We had a very successful one last night in San Diego, great turnout.
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Did you not contact MLG before you posted your blog?
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Thanks again Jonathan.
Look forward to seeing you at an event soon!
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On February 27 2012 07:51 itsjustatank wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 07:47 Primadog wrote:
Good call. Glad this was able to be resolved with class from both sides.
Hope this won't scare you off from upcoming events. Which BarCraft will you be covering/attending tomorrow? Tomorrow? There's a Barcraft tomorrow? WHERE! We had a very successful one last night in San Diego, great turnout.
Irvine Anaheim and K-town I believe. San Diego only does Saturdays atm right?
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On February 27 2012 07:53 mizU wrote:
Did you not contact MLG before you posted your blog?
He extended the same courtesy to MLG they extended to him.
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Sheth so handsome!
Great shot!
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Free ticket *clap clap clap*.
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Was MLG Anaheim 2011 a public event?
Because if it was not i wonder if it was a lawful shot in first place?
Did MLG gave you permission to take photos?
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On February 27 2012 07:46 zezamer wrote:
That's a really good photo btw
Thanks!
That was Sheth's first tournament with Team Liquid. The announcement of his acquisition had only arrived the day or so before, if I recall correctly. He already had a lot of fans for just being a generally nice guy all-around, but being part of TL really buoyed his support amongst the fans. There was a HUGE crowd cheering him on at that feature station where I took that photo.
He looks so immeasurably happy.
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On February 27 2012 07:55 Lonyo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 07:53 mizU wrote:
Did you not contact MLG before you posted your blog? He extended the same courtesy to MLG they extended to him.
A graduate of the Coach Lee School of Etiquette I see.
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MLGs website team seems rather suspect. They can't get their streams secured properly, mislabel their products, ignore copyright.
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MLG messes up nearly all they do, but they also nearly always correct their mistakes, well done.
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Hey look, I can do the same thing OP does. Put an "All Rights Reserved" tag on Flickr when I really have no legal standing of it.
Sheth Image. All Rights Reserved.
All trolling aside though, it is good this got settled with understanding by both parties. I just feel like you may have overreacted based on pure emotions. I'm not sure how I would have reacted in the situation so that is all I'm able to say about it.
The picture is a great shot too, non the less.
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You wish to take a more active role for the community but makes a big deal over mlg using a photo you took at their very event?
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I talk to itsjustatank before for some picture usage, he wants attribution and requests for permission. That's all. Very easy to work with if you tell him what you plan to use his images for, before hand.
This is not a money issue. People should ask permission (they're legally bound to), especially our standard-bearing Corps that should know better than this.
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MLG is a good organization, resolving it so quickly shows this.
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On February 27 2012 08:47 Primadog wrote:
People should ask permission (they're legally bound to), especially our standard-bearing Corps that should know better than this.
Normally I would agree with you, however at MLG Anaheim, all press had badges similar to this one.
http://i.imgur.com/PrBVx.jpg
That right there, gives MLG the right to the image that was taken at their Event.
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On February 27 2012 08:52 Fallen750 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 08:47 Primadog wrote:
People should ask permission (they're legally bound to), especially our standard-bearing Corps that should know better than this. Normally I would agree with you, however at MLG Anaheim, all press had badges similar to this one. http://i.imgur.com/PrBVx.jpgThat right there, gives MLG the right to the image that was taken at their Event.
Did he have a press badge?
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On February 27 2012 08:55 icydergosu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 08:52 Fallen750 wrote:On February 27 2012 08:47 Primadog wrote:
People should ask permission (they're legally bound to), especially our standard-bearing Corps that should know better than this. Normally I would agree with you, however at MLG Anaheim, all press had badges similar to this one. http://i.imgur.com/PrBVx.jpgThat right there, gives MLG the right to the image that was taken at their Event. Did he have a press badge?
I would imagine the terms for buying tickets to MLG say something similar.
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On February 27 2012 08:52 Fallen750 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 08:47 Primadog wrote:
People should ask permission (they're legally bound to), especially our standard-bearing Corps that should know better than this. Normally I would agree with you, however at MLG Anaheim, all press had badges similar to this one. http://i.imgur.com/PrBVx.jpgThat right there, gives MLG the right to the image that was taken at their Event.
What makes you think he had one of these badges? As I understand he was just a spectator who nabbed a good picture of sheth.
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The press badge is just the first thing that came to mind. I would have to find my old MLG spectator pass to double check, but I am fairly certain (read 85%) that even the spectator pass had a stipulation similar to the above one in it.
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On February 27 2012 08:59 Fallen750 wrote:
The press badge is just the first thing that came to mind. I would have to find my old MLG spectator pass to double check, but I am fairly certain (read 85%) that even the spectator pass had a stipulation similar to the above one in it.
That would be ridiculous. Pretty sure there would be a backlash if ANY photo/video taken by ANY spectator belongs to MLG.
And MLG clearly admitted fault in this matter, so that definitely isn't the case. Double check stuff before spewing nonsense bro
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So we can be 85% that the guy made a fool of himself but MLG was very smart at handling the "problem" without making him and them look bad, impressive. 
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On February 27 2012 08:52 Fallen750 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 08:47 Primadog wrote:
People should ask permission (they're legally bound to), especially our standard-bearing Corps that should know better than this. Normally I would agree with you, however at MLG Anaheim, all press had badges similar to this one. http://i.imgur.com/PrBVx.jpgThat right there, gives MLG the right to the image that was taken at their Event.
I am not a lawyer, but this redditor seem to know what he's talking about:
bobartig 22 points 3 hours ago
make commercial use of any visual or audio media of any kind from this event
Arguing that "any visual or audio media of any kind from this event is inclusive of photos taken by the OP is a HUGE stretch. The operative phrase "from this event" cannot be inclusive of photos taken by OP unless the above phrase is construed to constitute an unlimited license from OP to MLG for the photos taken - in other words - you need to argue that the above phrase constitutes a separate contract between OP and MLG. Highly, highly, highly unlikely.
The holder grants permission to MLG...
This only grants permission to MLG for likeness rights (Right of Publicity), but would not clear copyright issues like OP is arguing.
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/q6wvi/mlg_copyright_infringement/
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On February 27 2012 09:01 getSome[703] wrote:
And MLG clearly admitted fault in this matter, so that definitely isn't the case. Double check stuff before spewing nonsense bro
Can you show me where MLG admitted fault in this? I know that they resolved the situation, but that was most likely good PR on their part.
Spewing nonsense, Isn't that just what everybody does though? Just like you did when you provided zero sources about MLG admitting it was their fault. Without itsjustatank coming out and saying what was discussed between MLG_Adam and himself then we really won't know. My guess goes with he had no legal standing, MLG_Adam let him know and he was like 'Oh shit you're right Adam, sorry." But MLG being the good guys they are won't put this guy under the bus like he did to them.
/spewingnonsense.
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On February 27 2012 09:03 Primadog wrote:I am not a lawyer, but this redditor seem to know what he's talking about: Show nested quote +bobartig 22 points 3 hours ago
make commercial use of any visual or audio media of any kind from this event
Arguing that "any visual or audio media of any kind from this event is inclusive of photos taken by the OP is a HUGE stretch. The operative phrase "from this event" cannot be inclusive of photos taken by OP unless the above phrase is construed to constitute an unlimited license from OP to MLG for the photos taken - in other words - you need to argue that the above phrase constitutes a separate contract between OP and MLG. Highly, highly, highly unlikely.
The holder grants permission to MLG...
This only grants permission to MLG for likeness rights (Right of Publicity), but would not clear copyright issues like OP is arguing. http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/q6wvi/mlg_copyright_infringement/
That is enough to shut me up.  Thanks
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On February 27 2012 07:54 Primadog wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 07:51 itsjustatank wrote:On February 27 2012 07:47 Primadog wrote:
Good call. Glad this was able to be resolved with class from both sides.
Hope this won't scare you off from upcoming events. Which BarCraft will you be covering/attending tomorrow? Tomorrow? There's a Barcraft tomorrow? WHERE! We had a very successful one last night in San Diego, great turnout. Irvine Anaheim and K-town I believe. San Diego only does Saturdays atm right?
Usually Saturdays, yes.
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EDIT: Same time post when someone realized they were wrong. I shall remove my mean comment 
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On February 27 2012 09:11 Fallen750 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 09:03 Primadog wrote:I am not a lawyer, but this redditor seem to know what he's talking about: bobartig 22 points 3 hours ago
make commercial use of any visual or audio media of any kind from this event
Arguing that "any visual or audio media of any kind from this event is inclusive of photos taken by the OP is a HUGE stretch. The operative phrase "from this event" cannot be inclusive of photos taken by OP unless the above phrase is construed to constitute an unlimited license from OP to MLG for the photos taken - in other words - you need to argue that the above phrase constitutes a separate contract between OP and MLG. Highly, highly, highly unlikely.
The holder grants permission to MLG...
This only grants permission to MLG for likeness rights (Right of Publicity), but would not clear copyright issues like OP is arguing. http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/q6wvi/mlg_copyright_infringement/ That is enough to shut me up. Thanks
On February 27 2012 08:36 Fallen750 wrote:Hey look, I can do the same thing OP does. Put an "All Rights Reserved" tag on Flickr when I really have no legal standing of it. Sheth Image. All Rights Reserved.All trolling aside though, it is good this got settled with understanding by both parties. I just feel like you may have overreacted based on pure emotions. I'm not sure how I would have reacted in the situation so that is all I'm able to say about it. The picture is a great shot too, non the less.
Welcome to Team Liquid. You may not agree with American copyright law, or how I've handled this situation, but this doesn't allow you act this way, even if you are only trolling. Now that you've recognized your error, I'd advise you to cease and desist continuing to host that image on your Flickr account.
Or you can just wait for my already submitted DMCA Takedown notice to take effect and have it done for you.
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I wish MLG were this responsive to other community complaints =/
Glad to hear that the issue got resolved though, the last thing we need is copyright issues in eSports.
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The thread earlier was embarassing
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Good job MLG for responding to this so quickly. They're certainly a very reasonable organization. Keep up the good photography, itsjustatank!
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You know, a normal person would be like "Hey! MLG is using my picture of Sheth, cool!"
But instead you had to get butthurt and act like they are infringing on your rights and make a whine thread trying to insult mlg instead of just contacting them privately.
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On February 27 2012 09:47 Odal wrote:
You know, a normal person would be like "Hey! MLG is using my picture of Sheth, cool!"
But instead you had to get butthurt and act like they are infringing on your rights and make a whine thread trying to insult mlg instead of just contacting them privately.
You're kidding right? He was pretty polite about it. There isn't a very clear way to get in touch with MLG about an issue like this and so he made a post on a prestigious community website where MLG staffers and people in the know post/read.
IP rights are very serious. MLG is using his IP to make money and not giving him credit. A photo like this one (ie: a very good candid) has a real value. Don't come into his blog and be a douche about an issue that the community needs to deal with to continue growing.
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On February 27 2012 09:47 Odal wrote:
You know, a normal person would be like "Hey! MLG is using my picture of Sheth, cool!"
But instead you had to get butthurt and act like they are infringing on your rights and make a whine thread trying to insult mlg instead of just contacting them privately.
They were infringing on his rights, lol.
In my experience (cough gosucoachingrefund cough), making a stink about a situation TL is the best way to get the matter resolved quickly. Ideally this shouldn't be the case, and ideally the op could have contacted MLG privately first, but he was certainly under no obligation to do so after having his picture used. Glad it was resolved for you though
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On February 27 2012 10:01 getSome[703] wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 09:47 Odal wrote:
You know, a normal person would be like "Hey! MLG is using my picture of Sheth, cool!"
But instead you had to get butthurt and act like they are infringing on your rights and make a whine thread trying to insult mlg instead of just contacting them privately. They were infringing on his rights, lol. In my experience (cough gosucoachingrefund cough), making a stink about a situation TL is the best way to get the matter resolved quickly. Ideally this shouldn't be the case, and ideally the op could have contacted MLG privately first, but he was certainly under no obligation to do so after having his picture used. Glad it was resolved for you though
Yeah, I'll admit to being a bit hot-headed when making that original post. As I've said, I didn't really know who to contact and where to turn, so I turned to the forum that I've made my home for the past year or so.
To be clear, this issue is completely and satisfactorily resolved as far as MLG and I are concerned. Posting this thread was something both parties mutually agreed upon so that people know that the issue is resolved, because the original thread is closed.
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Hey tank, if this ever occur again with any particular tournament. I'll help you get in touch with the right person.
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On February 27 2012 10:12 Primadog wrote:
Hey tank, if this ever occur again with any particular tournament. I'll help you get in touch with the right person.
I'll keep that in mind. This has been quite a learning experience for me.
Thanks primadog!
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On February 27 2012 07:46 zezamer wrote:
That's a really good photo btw
Mostly because of the contrast between the happyface in the front and the sadface in the back.
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On February 27 2012 09:25 itsjustatank wrote:
Welcome to Team Liquid. You may not agree with American copyright law, or how I've handled this situation, but this doesn't allow you act this way, even if you are only trolling. Now that you've recognized your error, I'd advise you to cease and desist continuing to host that image on your Flickr account.
Or you can just wait for my already submitted DMCA Takedown notice to take effect and have it done for you.
Wow, are you serious?
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On February 27 2012 10:26 divito wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 09:25 itsjustatank wrote:
Welcome to Team Liquid. You may not agree with American copyright law, or how I've handled this situation, but this doesn't allow you act this way, even if you are only trolling. Now that you've recognized your error, I'd advise you to cease and desist continuing to host that image on your Flickr account.
Or you can just wait for my already submitted DMCA Takedown notice to take effect and have it done for you. Wow, are you serious?
He should be, coyright infringments are a serious issue.
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Can I ask why you care so much that they used your photo of Sheth? I would be pretty happy if someone used my photo, maybe if they gave some credit at least though.
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On February 27 2012 10:26 divito wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 09:25 itsjustatank wrote:
Welcome to Team Liquid. You may not agree with American copyright law, or how I've handled this situation, but this doesn't allow you act this way, even if you are only trolling. Now that you've recognized your error, I'd advise you to cease and desist continuing to host that image on your Flickr account.
Or you can just wait for my already submitted DMCA Takedown notice to take effect and have it done for you. Wow, are you serious?
I actually don't think Yahoo Mail sent off my DMCA notice, might have hit discard instead of send. At any rate, the infringing content has been taken down. And yes, I was serious.
On February 27 2012 10:28 hersenen wrote:
Can I ask why you care so much that they used your photo of Sheth? I would be pretty happy if someone used my photo, maybe if they gave some credit at least though.
Long and short is that they failed to give me credit or ask for permission. All is well now though.
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im glad both sides are happy and theres clearly no hard feelings. no matter who was in the right or wrong its good that the people can work things out quickly :o
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On February 27 2012 10:44 turdburgler wrote:
im glad both sides are happy and theres clearly no hard feelings. no matter who was in the right or wrong its good that the people can work things out quickly :o
Yeah it seems like the people who like to play lawyers got more worked up about their opinions of this than tank or mlg did.
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awesome. next time, email them BEFORE you blow up on the internet. =]
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Glad it got settled quickly.
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It's honestly shameful that people would attempt to paint tank as some sort of hypocrite for asserting his well-deserved rights. Glad the two parties were able to get it sorted amicably. I'm also really glad that last thread was closed because some of those replies were just downright infuriating.
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What exactly do you have to do to copyright a photo? I'd like to know the process for future reference in case I want to copyright a photo some day.
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Good on you for making this thread. With most public accusation threads, the issue is usually resolved through email and PM but the public never sees it so the withhunts linger. A recap like this prevents unnecessary future drama.
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On February 27 2012 16:06 dabom88 wrote:
What exactly do you have to do to copyright a photo? I'd like to know the process for future reference in case I want to copyright a photo some day.
Your photo is copyrighted the instant you press the shutter button. It remains your copyright until you sign off your rights to the work or place it in the public domain. There are other licensing options available to you as a content creator, such Creative Commons, that are fashionably termed as 'copyleft,' but they are copyrights still.
On February 27 2012 13:32 Cham wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 10:44 turdburgler wrote:
im glad both sides are happy and theres clearly no hard feelings. no matter who was in the right or wrong its good that the people can work things out quickly :o Yeah it seems like the people who like to play lawyers got more worked up about their opinions of this than tank or mlg did.
This sums things up pretty nicely.
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Glad to hear it was all resolved. The talk in the thread showed a lot of people don't really understand the pain of people using work without permission, whether deliberately or not it's not 'just a photo', it's a potential income source or way to spread your name. With regard to 'it was their event, they have the rights to all photos'; if official places want photos they either have to pay to have a photographer there or make a deal with someone who was. Also, putting photos online is always a gamble, as image search isn't good enough to even let you know that people are using your stuff.
It's something I've seen handled badly in other places, glad MLG handled it when it was pointed out, good to see!
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On February 27 2012 10:12 Primadog wrote:
Hey tank, if this ever occur again with any particular tournament. I'll help you get in touch with the right person.
Hopefully it doesn't come to that. No one should be making the same mistakes. EVER.
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On February 27 2012 15:27 BroOd wrote:
It's honestly shameful that people would attempt to paint tank as some sort of hypocrite for asserting his well-deserved rights. Glad the two parties were able to get it sorted amicably. I'm also really glad that last thread was closed because some of those replies were just downright infuriating.
To some people including myself, that this whole issue appears to be a new frontier in MLG pitchforking.
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On February 28 2012 01:03 Zorkmid wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 15:27 BroOd wrote:
It's honestly shameful that people would attempt to paint tank as some sort of hypocrite for asserting his well-deserved rights. Glad the two parties were able to get it sorted amicably. I'm also really glad that last thread was closed because some of those replies were just downright infuriating. To some people including myself, that this whole issue appears to be a new frontier in MLG pitchforking.
Except this is way removed from bitching about casters or complaining about downtime between streams. Image copyright is a serious legal thing in the real world. Just because it is ESPORTS doesn't mean companies working within that space can afford to be lax in their practices.
You quote NonY in your sig, most likely in response to people not liking MLG's pay-per-view move: "Guess what....shit costs money." -Liquid'Nony
Well guess what, using copyrighted images in your for-profit broadcast requires one to gain at least permission and attribution; sometimes it will cost money.
It's all settled now though.
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On February 28 2012 01:24 itsjustatank wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 01:03 Zorkmid wrote:On February 27 2012 15:27 BroOd wrote:
It's honestly shameful that people would attempt to paint tank as some sort of hypocrite for asserting his well-deserved rights. Glad the two parties were able to get it sorted amicably. I'm also really glad that last thread was closed because some of those replies were just downright infuriating. To some people including myself, that this whole issue appears to be a new frontier in MLG pitchforking. Except this is way removed from bitching about casters or complaining about downtime between streams. Image copyright is a serious legal thing in the real world. Just because it is ESPORTS doesn't mean companies working within that space can afford to be lax in their practices. You quote NonY in your sig, most likely in response to people not liking MLG's pay-per-view move: "Guess what....shit costs money." -Liquid'Nony Well guess what, using copyrighted images in your for-profit broadcast requires one to gain at least permission and attribution; sometimes it will cost money. It's all settled now though.
I agree with everything you said, there was no need to make this a public event though.
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On February 28 2012 01:51 Zorkmid wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 01:24 itsjustatank wrote:On February 28 2012 01:03 Zorkmid wrote:On February 27 2012 15:27 BroOd wrote:
It's honestly shameful that people would attempt to paint tank as some sort of hypocrite for asserting his well-deserved rights. Glad the two parties were able to get it sorted amicably. I'm also really glad that last thread was closed because some of those replies were just downright infuriating. To some people including myself, that this whole issue appears to be a new frontier in MLG pitchforking. Except this is way removed from bitching about casters or complaining about downtime between streams. Image copyright is a serious legal thing in the real world. Just because it is ESPORTS doesn't mean companies working within that space can afford to be lax in their practices. You quote NonY in your sig, most likely in response to people not liking MLG's pay-per-view move: "Guess what....shit costs money." -Liquid'Nony Well guess what, using copyrighted images in your for-profit broadcast requires one to gain at least permission and attribution; sometimes it will cost money. It's all settled now though. I agree with everything you said, there was no need to make this a public event though.
That's your opinion, and I respect it. Your original post reduced the issue to pitchforking, and that's what I was responding against.
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