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Immaterial
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada510 Posts
February 16 2012 07:55 GMT
#61
On February 16 2012 15:25 Jedclark wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2012 13:31 Frostfire wrote:
On February 14 2012 13:26 neSix wrote:
I won't comment on whether or not I agree with your decisions, but I will add a few points for you to consider:

There is a pretty famous post that was made on TL years ago by a young man of the name (Z)Kolll. He posted about how he'd become A in BW after only a year of practice (which, in case you didn't play BW is absolutely incredible... think the equivalent of being Grandmaster on SEA server after 3 months of playing to give you a ballpark). Most of the users on TL ripped him apart for "making it up" until he really made a name for himself in the international scene. Kolll's story is an exception... a very rare exception. But it is proof nevertheless that with lots of talent and hard work, anything is possible.

I also think it's worth noting that being intelligent means more than just getting good grades. Just because you're on honor roll doesn't mean you are too smart to make bad decisions. Be very careful with how you spend your time as it will undoubtedly shape the person you will become in the future.


Thanks for your input! Yes, I played BW at around 8 years old (D- on iccup lol)


Holy shit, you lie so much. You made a blog like, not long ago about how you just played BW. Why would you even lie about being in Plat?

But to everyone putting him down, if he wants this badly enough he will do it. If you tell every budding pro-gamer not to do it, what scene will there be in the future?


Yeah, in that blog he said he started playing when he was 6 (even specifying that the year was 2003) and could beat 2 A.I. by himself by age 7 O.O
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
Frostfire
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States419 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-16 08:04:42
February 16 2012 07:57 GMT
#62
I could lol, I do play BW as well. I don't see that part that makes me a liar bro.

I also said that I hadn't played BW since I lost the disc for a long ass time, I'm very confused where the me lieing part is.

Edit: I think I may see the point of confusion. I played BW from 6-8 years old. At 8 years old, I lost the disc and recently ( a few months ago) bought is on my online battle.net account. Don't accuse me of lying for things that I haven't lied about, rofl.
"In solitude, we are least alone"
Frostfire
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States419 Posts
February 16 2012 07:58 GMT
#63
On February 16 2012 13:22 Fallians wrote:
I think I remember you just doing a 6pool with drones against me and then freaking out cause you beat a plat (you were gold). If all you do is cheese then you really shouldn't be in diamond...

Rofl when was this?
"In solitude, we are least alone"
Immaterial
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada510 Posts
February 16 2012 08:03 GMT
#64
On February 16 2012 16:57 Frostfire wrote:
I could lol, I do play BW as well. I don't see that part that makes me a liar bro.


In this blog you say D- iccup at age 8 whereas your other blog talks about defeating the A.I. at age 7. You said that shortly afterwards you lost everything because your computer died and your disc was long gone. Beyond that its kind of strange that your BW is scary blog seems to imply that you had just bought the game for the first time and had never played it before. Just a little strange is all.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
Frostfire
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States419 Posts
February 16 2012 08:05 GMT
#65
On February 16 2012 17:03 Immaterial wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2012 16:57 Frostfire wrote:
I could lol, I do play BW as well. I don't see that part that makes me a liar bro.


In this blog you say D- iccup at age 8 whereas your other blog talks about defeating the A.I. at age 7. You said that shortly afterwards you lost everything because your computer died and your disc was long gone. Beyond that its kind of strange that your BW is scary blog seems to imply that you had just bought the game for the first time and had never played it before. Just a little strange is all.

Please check the updated version of my response
"In solitude, we are least alone"
Frostfire
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States419 Posts
February 16 2012 08:38 GMT
#66
Why would even lie about being plat?

Cas I already said, I wanted more supportive stuff, but then I realized the next day, lieing gets people nowhere (Unless you're Rick Scott)
"In solitude, we are least alone"
-Debaser-
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States329 Posts
February 16 2012 13:39 GMT
#67
hahaha what is the point of lying on TL forums? and the point of this thread? you have 1396 league wins and youre still diamond. I think youre delusional
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Frostfire
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States419 Posts
February 16 2012 13:55 GMT
#68
On February 16 2012 22:39 ayrsen wrote:
hahaha what is the point of lying on TL forums? and the point of this thread? you have 1396 league wins and youre still diamond. I think youre delusional


For the 1000th time, i spent the first 3 easons derping in 4v4, so whetther or not i played well, the win vount for total league games is irrelevant. I bet at least 2/3rds are team games
"In solitude, we are least alone"
ExceeD_DreaM
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada500 Posts
February 16 2012 14:44 GMT
#69
No offense, but you are in middle school achieving straight A's, which cannot be really called an achievement.
Anyone with half a mind can get straight A's in middle school and its not so hard in highschool either. Most of all, it does not matter if you went to gold or plat in how many weeks... gold or plat is still very low skill level. As mentioned before, to become a pro gamer, you need some natural talent in it, and one way of proving it is if you really got to masters or GM level in a month or so. Does that seem improbable? progamers in korea do it with couple days of practise.

Also, what is a pro gamer in your opinion? I personally wouldn't consider anyone in foreign scene other than Idra or HuK (and anyone who has participated in GSL) a pro gamer. Yes, they can work their ass off, and play it as their career, but when you make a living out of this game, where future is uncertain and income depends on your skill level, it is pointless to dedicate your life to it.

It does seem like you are dedicated and you are probably a smart guy. The thing is, you can't do well in school with 30 min of homework when you get into highschool, and you will need to study for half a day in university. As Idra said, you really have to give up everything to become a 'notable' progamer. and in my view, Idra is notable progamer
Sc2Corpse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States210 Posts
February 16 2012 14:55 GMT
#70
Dude, do not listen to any of these people saying you will never reach your dreams, I am only a silver league with dreams of being a pro one day and ANYTHING is possible if you dedicate yourself to it and not give up, but DO NOT give up on your grades because if it doesn't happen atleast you will have a good education to fall back on, there are plenty of pros with College degrees for Example incontrol has a degree in English, so if he can do that AND could have became a pro, then you can too, Goodluck man and I hope you reach your dreams! <3
The Zombie Protoss <3
Frostfire
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States419 Posts
February 16 2012 15:17 GMT
#71
On February 16 2012 23:55 Sc2Corpse wrote:
Dude, do not listen to any of these people saying you will never reach your dreams, I am only a silver league with dreams of being a pro one day and ANYTHING is possible if you dedicate yourself to it and not give up, but DO NOT give up on your grades because if it doesn't happen atleast you will have a good education to fall back on, there are plenty of pros with College degrees for Example incontrol has a degree in English, so if he can do that AND could have became a pro, then you can too, Goodluck man and I hope you reach your dreams! <3

Frostfire.630
<3 if you have skype, i can watch you play people and give you sone tips if you want.
"In solitude, we are least alone"
Frostfire
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States419 Posts
February 16 2012 15:21 GMT
#72
On February 16 2012 23:44 ExceeD_DreaM wrote:
No offense, but you are in middle school achieving straight A's, which cannot be really called an achievement.
Anyone with half a mind can get straight A's in middle school and its not so hard in highschool either. Most of all, it does not matter if you went to gold or plat in how many weeks... gold or plat is still very low skill level. As mentioned before, to become a pro gamer, you need some natural talent in it, and one way of proving it is if you really got to masters or GM level in a month or so. Does that seem improbable? progamers in korea do it with couple days of practise.

Also, what is a pro gamer in your opinion? I personally wouldn't consider anyone in foreign scene other than Idra or HuK (and anyone who has participated in GSL) a pro gamer. Yes, they can work their ass off, and play it as their career, but when you make a living out of this game, where future is uncertain and income depends on your skill level, it is pointless to dedicate your life to it.

It does seem like you are dedicated and you are probably a smart guy. The thing is, you can't do well in school with 30 min of homework when you get into highschool, and you will need to studyi think it i for half a day in university. As Idra said, you really have to give up everything to become a 'notable' progamer. and in my view, Idra is notable progamer


i think i can be masters within 2 weeks.
I believe a pro is anybody who can make a living off of playing the game, aside from streaming. Like, Machine is one of my favorite players. Hes not very "notable" thoufh, right? nonetheless, he still has a large fanbase, is on a great team, and makes a living. I dont expect to be the next idra or huk, but even cominf close to say, machine status, is a dream i seek to fulfill.
"In solitude, we are least alone"
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32044 Posts
February 16 2012 16:38 GMT
#73
On February 15 2012 02:56 Frostfire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2012 01:04 Hawk wrote:
Focus on school and rounding out other interests instead of pursing a stupid pipe dream. You've been playing starcraft since you were 8, you're now in high school and just cracked plat recently and may or may not be in diamond next season. You're statistically about as good as my friend who played starcraft for the first time six months ago, and he is average at best.

People who go pro in things do so when they're already good. You like the game, are not good, and have decided you want to be pro, as if that will have any major impact on achieving your goal. Lots of people hit masters and gm with a lot less practice time and hours than you.


I am focusing in school, as I said, I have straight A+'s atm and am prioritizing school over everything else.
Up until season 3, I played maybe 2 hrs a week and only did 4s. In season 4, I played about an hour a day and was bronze. Season 5 I was Silver and went up to rank 1 platinum, and in my past 17 games I've gone 13-4. I WILL make diamond, and hopefully master by the end of s6. I do have a social life, as my best friends play sc and I spend family time with my dad by playing next to him, he plays WoW a lot. I'm in middle school. I cracked plat very recently and still have a 75% winrate. Focusing on starcraft and managing school has turned out to be quite easy, at least where I am right now, due to following a schedule.


because you're in middle school and middle school is a joke.

Also, because of your age, you have no idea what 'a living' is. Machine, just like anyone else that isn't in the top 5%, isn't making anything of note at all.
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Zaranth
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States345 Posts
February 16 2012 17:01 GMT
#74
The amount of BMing in here makes me sad. TT Say what you want to say, but you don't have to be mean about it. Glad to see Frostfire is keeping his spirits up.

Bullying/picking on someone - cut it out, everyone. Seriously.
Maker of Cheerfuls @eZaranth
Frostfire
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States419 Posts
February 16 2012 17:35 GMT
#75
On February 17 2012 01:38 Hawk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2012 02:56 Frostfire wrote:
On February 15 2012 01:04 Hawk wrote:
Focus on school and rounding out other interests instead of pursing a stupid pipe dream. You've been playing starcraft since you were 8, you're now in high school and just cracked plat recently and may or may not be in diamond next season. You're statistically about as good as my friend who played starcraft for the first time six months ago, and he is average at best.

People who go pro in things do so when they're already good. You like the game, are not good, and have decided you want to be pro, as if that will have any major impact on achieving your goal. Lots of people hit masters and gm with a lot less practice time and hours than you.


I am focusing in school, as I said, I have straight A+'s atm and am prioritizing school over everything else.
Up until season 3, I played maybe 2 hrs a week and only did 4s. In season 4, I played about an hour a day and was bronze. Season 5 I was Silver and went up to rank 1 platinum, and in my past 17 games I've gone 13-4. I WILL make diamond, and hopefully master by the end of s6. I do have a social life, as my best friends play sc and I spend family time with my dad by playing next to him, he plays WoW a lot. I'm in middle school. I cracked plat very recently and still have a 75% winrate. Focusing on starcraft and managing school has turned out to be quite easy, at least where I am right now, due to following a schedule.


because you're in middle school and middle school is a joke.

Also, because of your age, you have no idea what 'a living' is. Machine, just like anyone else that isn't in the top 5%, isn't making anything of note at all.

Sincei dont have access to the numbers, i dont know, but i know hes making enough where he doesnt have to work a seperate job, anyway, middle school used to be a joke for me. Made 100s in classes wo even trying, but then they put me in high school, i already have enough credits so i dont have to take any lang and can skip a year of math.
"In solitude, we are least alone"
Frostfire
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States419 Posts
February 16 2012 17:36 GMT
#76
On February 17 2012 02:01 Zaranth wrote:
The amount of BMing in here makes me sad. TT Say what you want to say, but you don't have to be mean about it. Glad to see Frostfire is keeping his spirits up.

Bullying/picking on someone - cut it out, everyone. Seriously.

<3

Anyways, this needs to stop being replied to, i bet im aggravating the community
"In solitude, we are least alone"
Inkarnate
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada840 Posts
February 16 2012 17:42 GMT
#77
Kennigit is a cool guy and he is right.

In future years you will need to scale up your schoolwork time in order to maintain your grades. Also don't forget to have other hobbies. Sure you have a dream about going pro, but understand that nobody will take you seriously until you are 18+. Many tournaments won't let you enter, and no team will sign you to a contract that you need a parent to sign for you.

Yes going pro would be cool, but is it realistic for your current situation? No, but keep practicing and maybe it will be in the future.
Frostfire
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States419 Posts
February 16 2012 17:51 GMT
#78
On February 17 2012 02:42 Inkarnate wrote:
Kennigit is a cool guy and he is right.

In future years you will need to scale up your schoolwork time in order to maintain your grades. Also don't forget to have other hobbies. Sure you have a dream about going pro, but understand that nobody will take you seriously until you are 18+. Many tournaments won't let you enter, and no team will sign you to a contract that you need a parent to sign for you.

Yes going pro would be cool, but is it realistic for your current situation? No, but keep practicing and maybe it will be in the future.

I understand that all very much so. I just hope to in the future go into a professional rts career, i was hoping to make a name for myself early hots, but maybe lotv will be my uprise. I know these things dont happen overnight
Last reply im posting as this has been here much too long
"In solitude, we are least alone"
Jedclark
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom903 Posts
February 16 2012 22:51 GMT
#79
On November 29 2011 08:01 Frostfire wrote:
Hello TL,

I just bought and installed Brood War, due to everyone saying it's such a great game and I'm missing out if I don't play it.


What did you say?

Also, lying about being Plat, when you're gold, is like saying you can run a 10 minute mile when you can run a 10:10 minute mile. Plat is still really, really bad.
"They make it so scrubnubs can PM me. They make it so I can't ignore scrubnubs!" - "I'm gonna show you how great I am." MKP fan since GSL Open Season 2 #hipsternerd
dGHaiL
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States177 Posts
February 16 2012 23:01 GMT
#80
On February 17 2012 07:51 Jedclark wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2011 08:01 Frostfire wrote:
Hello TL,

I just bought and installed Brood War, due to everyone saying it's such a great game and I'm missing out if I don't play it.


What did you say?

Also, lying about being Plat, when you're gold, is like saying you can run a 10 minute mile when you can run a 10:10 minute mile. Plat is still really, really bad.


Ruh oh, busted man
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