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So here we go again, last time I made this thread it got closed by Kennegit basically telling me to stop persuing something stupid and focus in school..
Welp, I did.
I had all Ds (I know, I lied, I admit) and then I put a ton of effort into getting my grades back up. When I posted that, i had 2 weeks until the quarter ended. By the time it ended, I had 6 A's and a B. Thank you Kennegit, that actually hit home, honestly. But now, I've set up a schedule in which I can get 4 hours of practice time in every weekday AND manage my schoolwork. Back when I posted my last blog, I lied a lot. I wrote the blog at about 4am and was trying to get people to say nice encouraging things or whatever.
Welp, no more.
Things I lied about (honestly)
-rank
-league
-amount of time i practised every day
Back when I wrote that, I was actually around rank 25 gold on NA server. After getting my schoolwork all put together and creating a schedule, by following it I am currently rank 2 plat and have all A+'s. When ladder restarts tomorrow, I will no doubt be diamond.
I hope to constantly improve WHILE keeping my grades up. Kennegit was the first person to (kind of) tell me harshly that school was important, and I greatly appreciate it. The biggest influence of mine atm is Illusion, as he is close to my age and is improving. I have recently made a ton of friends on battle.net and have stopped BMing so much (used to every game I lost) and I am analyzing replays. I can clearly point out my mistakes and fix them. Kennegit, once again, I honestly thank you. Although you told me to drop being a progamer (I won't), I AM improving in school and I realize now how important that is to being successful.
Also, AMA, I'll check this often if people look at it.
Edit: (PM me anytime if you want to practice and are in Diamond-Master, I will always accept a game if I am able)
 
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Fool me once and so on :D stay in school you don't seem very bright.
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Thats great! Remember, school is your job right now, don't slack on your job. Also your names seems familiar, do you hang out in the ClanEx channel?
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Oh I remember reading that old blog, I'm glad that you didn't go on the same path as Flamesword from halo. Feel free to add me for some games, TBone.667
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I don't like to be harsh, but the simple truth is that you're not going to become a progamer. You won't ever make it to korea. In all likelihood you won't even be a relevant name in the foreign scene. The skill gap between you and the pros is much wider than you think, and no amount of practice will get you there. It may seem unreal, but better players than you have tried. People who were smarter than you, who practiced more, who had more support and who were more talented have tried and failed. They fell back on their schooling and concentrated on their studies. You're not going to do better.
If you really want to be a presence in the starcraft community, this website is a great place to start. You don't have to be good at the game, you can just be entertaining, or learn to program and make something useful for us, or if you're an artist draw something. But please don't waste your life chasing an impossible dream. If you're telling the truth about your grades then that's great, keep it up, but don't see starcraft as anything more than a hobby. That's not to say you shouldn't keep trying to improve, of course, but remember that it's secondary.
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Yes Aegon!
And lol nttea, I'm not giving up on this. I have reminders on times I need to practice, dates I need to practice on certain areas (ZvZ, ZvP, ZvT, I devote 1 day a week to getting a practice partner of the opposite race of a bit higher skill level and just trying different things or modifying/tweaking builds slightly to optomise my play, and to get better). I really am not giving up on this. And not very intelligent? I'm in the gifted program getting high school credits, with straight A's.. Next year I'm going to a strictly gifted High School (stanton, in florida, look at it) in the IB program. I realize now just how important school is.
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Dub - 14.
seRapH - Many many many people have told me this, and they know more about it then I do, but I KNOW I won't give up on this, unless my grades start to drop, then I'll take a bit of time off of starcraft and resume it again.
Im not trying to meet a deadline on this pro thing. I'm hoping to maybe make a name for myself early HoTS, but who knows, maybe later. I just know that most pros say the most important thing is knowing how much effort is going to be needed for this, and I realize that I won't make a name for myself in the near future. I'm setting a goal: HoTS, that's all I can say as of now.
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Remember, it does not matter if you are in GrandMaster's League on the Korean Server when you are in the D- league in high school.
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On February 14 2012 13:17 Bagration wrote:
Remember, it does not matter if you are in GrandMaster's League on the Korean Server when you are in the D- league in high school.
I hear that loud and clear.
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I won't comment on whether or not I agree with your decisions, but I will add a few points for you to consider:
There is a pretty famous post that was made on TL years ago by a young man of the name  Kolll. He posted about how he'd become A in BW after only a year of practice (which, in case you didn't play BW is absolutely incredible... think the equivalent of being Grandmaster on SEA server after 3 months of playing to give you a ballpark). Most of the users on TL ripped him apart for "making it up" until he really made a name for himself in the international scene. Kolll's story is an exception... a very rare exception. But it is proof nevertheless that with lots of talent and hard work, anything is possible.
I also think it's worth noting that being intelligent means more than just getting good grades. Just because you're on honor roll doesn't mean you are too smart to make bad decisions. Be very careful with how you spend your time as it will undoubtedly shape the person you will become in the future.
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yup studying is good 
School is pretty important just find something you like and do it, hopefully one day you can involve video games in your scholarly work. Im writing a thesis on aggression in video games (trashtalking specifically)
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On February 14 2012 13:26 neSix wrote:I won't comment on whether or not I agree with your decisions, but I will add a few points for you to consider: There is a pretty famous post that was made on TL years ago by a young man of the name Kolll. He posted about how he'd become A in BW after only a year of practice (which, in case you didn't play BW is absolutely incredible... think the equivalent of being Grandmaster on SEA server after 3 months of playing to give you a ballpark). Most of the users on TL ripped him apart for "making it up" until he really made a name for himself in the international scene. Kolll's story is an exception... a very rare exception. But it is proof nevertheless that with lots of talent and hard work, anything is possible. I also think it's worth noting that being intelligent means more than just getting good grades. Just because you're on honor roll doesn't mean you are too smart to make bad decisions. Be very careful with how you spend your time as it will undoubtedly shape the person you will become in the future.
Thanks for your input! Yes, I played BW at around 8 years old (D- on iccup lol)
I'm not really giving a deadline, the main thing I'm trying to keep here is a schedule that I don't modify, at all. On spring break, I'm going to a friend who plays house for the full week, to do nothing but practice. I cannot stress enough at how much Kennegits comments on my last blog really opened my eyes to the world around me. I realize that school is ridiculously important, and it will always come before Starcraft, but I feel like with a good schedule I can do this. As time goes on, I set a buffer area where I could possibly practice more on some weekdays. I think with a planned out schedule and reminders, this can really happen while balancing school.
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On February 14 2012 13:11 seRapH wrote:
I don't like to be harsh, but the simple truth is that you're not going to become a progamer. You won't ever make it to korea. In all likelihood you won't even be a relevant name in the foreign scene. The skill gap between you and the pros is much wider than you think, and no amount of practice will get you there. It may seem unreal, but better players than you have tried. People who were smarter than you, who practiced more, who had more support and who were more talented have tried and failed. They fell back on their schooling and concentrated on their studies. You're not going to do better.
If you really want to be a presence in the starcraft community, this website is a great place to start. You don't have to be good at the game, you can just be entertaining, or learn to program and make something useful for us, or if you're an artist draw something. But please don't waste your life chasing an impossible dream. If you're telling the truth about your grades then that's great, keep it up, but don't see starcraft as anything more than a hobby. That's not to say you shouldn't keep trying to improve, of course, but remember that it's secondary.
I disagree, someone should always chase their dreams. Don't doubt him its not impossible, but its important to stay moderate in what you do, and school is important.
no matter what they say dood your heart is your own; don't let the bitter hearts hold you back. But like you already know school is important!
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On February 14 2012 12:58 Frostfire wrote:
Things I lied about (honestly)
This made me chuckle a bit. Good luck though! You seem like you are trying hard and reaching your goals! =D
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You're obviously dead set on this and nothing I say will sway you, but you need to understand the main cost isn't the effort you have to put in, it's the time you're trading away that you could be spending with your friends, making memories that'll last your lifetime. It's time that you could be spending being with your family, enjoying your world, and just being a kid. Because this is time that isn't coming back. When you spend 8+ hours a day practicing for something that very well may never happen, it's a very, very big risk, and now I can only hope you don't regret it in a few years.
The story above about Kolll is missing a few parts. The first being that Kolll was a really high level War3 player before coming to broodwar, and then he soared to B- in a matter of months. Despite a 4th place finish in WCG, losing only to koreans, Kolll could barely compete in TSL2, getting knocked out in the Ro16. And this kid was considered a prodigy. Now Kolll's practically disappeared off the face of the earth.
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On February 14 2012 13:40 seRapH wrote:
You're obviously dead set on this and nothing I say will sway you, but you need to understand the main cost isn't the effort you have to put in, it's the time you're trading away that you could be spending with your friends, making memories that'll last your lifetime. It's time that you could be spending being with your family, enjoying your world, and just being a kid. Because this is time that isn't coming back. When you spend 8+ hours a day practicing for something that very well may never happen, it's a very, very big risk, and now I can only hope you don't regret it in a few years.
The story above about Kolll is missing a few parts. The first being that Kolll was a really high level War3 player before coming to broodwar, and then he soared to B- in a matter of months. Despite a 4th place finish in WCG, losing only to koreans, Kolll could barely compete in TSL2, getting knocked out in the Ro16. And this kid was considered a prodigy. Now Kolll's practically disappeared off the face of the earth.
kolll is still playing bw
Best advice I can give is play for fun. If you find yourself consistently raging and wanting to quit before even getting close to GM it's probably not for you. People are SC2 pros for the love of the game, most of them - a true love for competition. If you're looking for efame or money its one of the most unrewarding things there is.
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On February 14 2012 13:11 seRapH wrote:
...The skill gap between you and the pros is much wider than you think, and no amount of practice will get you there...
How improving works. I don't think you understand it.
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On February 14 2012 13:44 Pokebunny wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 13:40 seRapH wrote:
You're obviously dead set on this and nothing I say will sway you, but you need to understand the main cost isn't the effort you have to put in, it's the time you're trading away that you could be spending with your friends, making memories that'll last your lifetime. It's time that you could be spending being with your family, enjoying your world, and just being a kid. Because this is time that isn't coming back. When you spend 8+ hours a day practicing for something that very well may never happen, it's a very, very big risk, and now I can only hope you don't regret it in a few years.
The story above about Kolll is missing a few parts. The first being that Kolll was a really high level War3 player before coming to broodwar, and then he soared to B- in a matter of months. Despite a 4th place finish in WCG, losing only to koreans, Kolll could barely compete in TSL2, getting knocked out in the Ro16. And this kid was considered a prodigy. Now Kolll's practically disappeared off the face of the earth. kolll is still playing bw Best advice I can give is play for fun. If you find yourself consistently raging and wanting to quit before even getting close to GM it's probably not for you. People are SC2 pros for the love of the game, most of them - a true love for competition. If you're looking for efame or money its one of the most unrewarding things there is.
For the first few days after trying not to BM, ever, I found it hard, now I realize that I should blame everything on my play (as I am only plat) and I can now with a clear head study my replays.
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seRapH - Heres the best part, my dad is an avid gamer (Plays WoW a TON and has a 3v3 PvP arena team that he plays with every night for hours) and my best friend from since I was born plays sc2 and is my same exact level. I go to his house almost every weekend and we play together for days, and have the best time ever. I'm so lucky to have this.
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Kennigit, the man of many hats. Progamming team support guy, community administrator, social worker...
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Anybody else feel another post coming up in a couple of weeks: "I lied about everything in my last blog and was trying to get people to say nice things to me."
No, I'm just kidding. Don't take it the wrong way.
On a serious note, I'll say that I am doubtful at best that you will ever have any success at SC2. Unless you devote yourself completely to the game, you'll never have any tournament success. If you think you can be the next HuK, you should think again. There are a handful of people who are the best at the game and they have left school, family to get there, pretty much dedicating their whole lives to it. There are a lot of progamers in Korea but the reality is that none of them will ever find any success. They have no job, no education, barely a social life and grim prospects of the future. They believe they are following their dreams but 5 years later they will come to the realization that they just wasted their youth playing the game that they grew to hate. I probably sound pretty depressing right now but I'm just trying to make you realize that real-life progaming is far from what glamorous TL biographies of the best players make it out to be. My 2 cents: play casually, maybe get to masters or something but do not sink your life into this. You'll be sorry later. Do something productive on your other time.
However, I am just an online identity that you will never meet. There's no reason for you to listen to me. It's your life.
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On February 14 2012 13:52 shizaep wrote:
Anybody else feel another post coming up in a couple of weeks: "I lied about everything in my last blog and was trying to get people to say nice things to me."
No, I'm just kidding. Don't take it the wrong way.
On a serious note, I'll say that I am doubtful at best that you will ever have any success at SC2. Unless you devote yourself completely to the game, you'll never have any tournament success. If you think you can be the next HuK, you should think again. There are a handful of people who are the best at the game and they have left school, family to get there, pretty much dedicating their whole lives to it. There are a lot of progamers in Korea but the reality is that none of them will ever find any success. They have no job, no education, barely a social life and grim prospects of the future. They believe they are following their dreams but 5 years later they will come to the realization that they just wasted their youth playing the game that they grew to hate. I probably sound pretty depressing right now but I'm just trying to make you realize that real-life progaming is far from what glamorous TL biographies of the best players make it out to be. My 2 cents: play casually, maybe get to masters or something but do not sink your life into this. You'll be sorry later. Do something productive on your other time.
However, I am just an online identity that you will never meet. There's no reason for you to listen to me. It's your life.
I can say 100% seriously that no lies were made in this post. Then again no one should believe that as I have already exposed myself as a liar. Believe me or not, the main thing is I'm not putting my entire life into it, as I have said before I'm maintaning my grades and going to the best school in my state next year, and Im going to state science fair april 1-4th doing a computer project, where hopefully something will happen. ALL of the interests in my life go to computers, and after being a progamer I hope to become an electrical engineer, or a programmer (I know html, and a tiny tiny bit of php and java). I will however at this point in my life start treating sc2 as more than just a hobby. I'm taking everything very seriously and studying everything that is available to me. I am dedicated (: but I realize school and things that happen after this are very important as well. Thanks for your input!
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Hey Frostfire,
Starcraft 2 was the first RTS game I'd ever played seriously. Sure, I'd played Brood War as a kid, but I really just messed around against the AI and used cheat codes. I had never ACTUALLY played against an online opponent. I also played a little Warcraft 3, but I did the exact same thing.
My point is: SC2 was the first RTS game I picked up and said to myself: I'm going to be good.
I started playing in March of last year, starting in bronze as terran. I bumped up to gold after a day or two, and then switched to zerg and fell to silver. After another week, I was back up to platinum. I spent the summer with the Navy and was unable to play, so I put SC2 back on the shelf. When I got to school in September, I had more time on my hands and began to play again. After a month I had worked my way up to a promotion to masters with the beginning of season 4. I was ecstatic.
My point is, you don't have to be dedicated to Starcraft to improve relative to the people around you. I'm going to toot my own horn and say I was a highly ranked Feral Druid in WoW, back when the level cap was 60. (Vanilla WoW, yeah). I've always been good at video games, and I played a LOT of chess in high school. I don't play much Starcraft since I don't have the time or a good computer at school, but somehow I placed into masters. If you believe in yourself, I think you can do it.
If you want a practice partner, I used to go by Foe 558 on NA, but now I play under WoLveRine.321. (Opened a random account and now play mostly terran). I'd love to play with you sometime if you want a practice partner of any race. My P is probably only Low diamond level, but it could still be useful.
Keep your grades up, though, but otherwise man I say go for it!
glhf
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On February 14 2012 14:05 dGHaiL wrote:
Hey Frostfire,
Starcraft 2 was the first RTS game I'd ever played seriously. Sure, I'd played Brood War as a kid, but I really just messed around against the AI and used cheat codes. I had never ACTUALLY played against an online opponent. I also played a little Warcraft 3, but I did the exact same thing.
My point is: SC2 was the first RTS game I picked up and said to myself: I'm going to be good.
I started playing in March of last year, starting in bronze as terran. I bumped up to gold after a day or two, and then switched to zerg and fell to silver. After another week, I was back up to platinum. I spent the summer with the Navy and was unable to play, so I put SC2 back on the shelf. When I got to school in September, I had more time on my hands and began to play again. After a month I had worked my way up to a promotion to masters with the beginning of season 4. I was ecstatic.
My point is, you don't have to be dedicated to Starcraft to improve relative to the people around you. I'm going to toot my own horn and say I was a highly ranked Feral Druid in WoW, back when the level cap was 60. (Vanilla WoW, yeah). I've always been good at video games, and I played a LOT of chess in high school. I don't play much Starcraft since I don't have the time or a good computer at school, but somehow I placed into masters. If you believe in yourself, I think you can do it.
If you want a practice partner, I used to go by Foe 558 on NA, but now I play under WoLveRine.321. (Opened a random account and now play mostly terran). I'd love to play with you sometime if you want a practice partner of any race. My P is probably only Low diamond level, but it could still be useful.
Keep your grades up, though, but otherwise man I say go for it!
glhf
Thanks for your input! Added!
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If you want to be a professional athlete of any kind, starting at a very young age is almost always required.
I played tennis from the age of about 9, but I know I'll never be a professional because I didn't start when I was three. I'll settle for playing in college.
Its also worth noting that yeah, he's platinum, but he's also only 14. Maybe he won't be PRO in Starcraft 2, but HoTS will change things, and there will be other RTS games that come out. I wonder what some of the pros would say if you asked them what age they were when they decided to go pro?
You can't really be playing competitive starcraft at 5 years old like you can be playing tennis or basketball.
I'm not trying to push this kid down a bad road - merely trying to point out the differences.
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On February 14 2012 14:15 dGHaiL wrote:
If you want to be a professional athlete of any kind, starting at a very young age is almost always required.
I played tennis from the age of about 9, but I know I'll never be a professional because I didn't start when I was three. I'll settle for playing in college.
Its also worth noting that yeah, he's platinum, but he's also only 14. Maybe he won't be PRO in Starcraft 2, but HoTS will change things, and there will be other RTS games that come out. I wonder what some of the pros would say if you asked them what age they were when they decided to go pro?
You can't really be playing competitive starcraft at 5 years old like you can be playing tennis or basketball.
I'm not trying to push this kid down a bad road - merely trying to point out the differences.
Thanks for your input!
For around the first 3 seasons of sc2, I didn't try at all, and was really only playing 4s. Now that I've recently dedicated myself, I went from around rank 25 gold to rank 1 plat with about a 65% winrate
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As long as you are keeping your grades up and not closing any doors in your life, keep with the dream of being a pro gamer! All kids fantasize of being a pro athlete, play it in school growing up and what not, this is just the same thing. Keep at it, but listen to those wiser than you, keep up on school and don't close doors in life.
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Thanks for your input guys, I'm going to bed!
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On February 14 2012 14:26 krndandaman wrote:
lol only 14 is not a big issue. guess how old Flash was when he won his first individual title? and he made a promise to become a progamer and win a title within 1 year. alot of progamers get good really quick and spend insane hours practicing.
Flash was 15. And this kid isn't saying he's going to win GSL. He's saying he's going to go pro. Comparing him to Flash, one of THE BEST Starcraft players ever, is like comparing Rafael Nadal to Jack Socke. Rafael was 18 when he won his first major title. Socke is 18 now, and hasn't won a title. But he has the potential to be very good if he goes professional and keeps training. Should he quit because he isn't the best pro on the tour?
Let the kid have a dream!
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On February 14 2012 14:31 dGHaiL wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 14:26 krndandaman wrote:
lol only 14 is not a big issue. guess how old Flash was when he won his first individual title? and he made a promise to become a progamer and win a title within 1 year. alot of progamers get good really quick and spend insane hours practicing. Flash was 15. And this kid isn't saying he's going to win GSL. He's saying he's going to go pro. Comparing him to Flash, one of THE BEST Starcraft players ever, is like comparing Rafael Nadal to Jack Socke. Rafael was 18 when he won his first major title. Socke is 18 now, and hasn't won a title. But he has the potential to be very good if he goes professional and keeps training. Should he quit because he isn't the best pro on the tour? Let the kid have a dream!
This. I'm not expecting to be the best person ever, nor the next HuK, but I do want to make a name for myself.
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In any case if you ever happen to become true pr0 and make WCG semis then post a new blog linked to this one and we get epic thread ^ㅇ^
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I think Kennigit didn't post in this yet because he doesn't know what to say.  I like this blog, good luck kid.
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On February 14 2012 15:06 krndandaman wrote:
inachievable dream.
There are plenty of pro starcraft players who I would consider "on the fringe". They are part of a progaming team, and make lots of money streaming their games.
You don't have to win GSL to be a progamer. You don't have to be Flash.
And yes, to claim this kid is Jack Socke was a stretch, I knew Socke as a junior - incredibly talented. But who's to say this kid isn't? He's 14 - with a little playing time, who knows. If his grades are fine and his social life is okay, why not see what he can do? I'm not telling the kid to play 10 hours a day, frankly, I expect him to see how far he can get in a few months / half a year and then determine if he can actually make a run as a pro-player.
Edit: krn, I appreciate the civil argument, as well
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do you also play on Korea/Taiwan?
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On February 14 2012 13:11 seRapH wrote:
I don't like to be harsh, but the simple truth is that you're not going to become a progamer. You won't ever make it to korea. In all likelihood you won't even be a relevant name in the foreign scene. The skill gap between you and the pros is much wider than you think, and no amount of practice will get you there. It may seem unreal, but better players than you have tried. People who were smarter than you, who practiced more, who had more support and who were more talented have tried and failed. They fell back on their schooling and concentrated on their studies. You're not going to do better.
If you really want to be a presence in the starcraft community, this website is a great place to start. You don't have to be good at the game, you can just be entertaining, or learn to program and make something useful for us, or if you're an artist draw something. But please don't waste your life chasing an impossible dream. If you're telling the truth about your grades then that's great, keep it up, but don't see starcraft as anything more than a hobby. That's not to say you shouldn't keep trying to improve, of course, but remember that it's secondary.
I know you're being honest but you're doing it in a way that puts him down in the process. Leave that crap to yourself
"people who are smarter, people more practiced, people who had more support"
Really man? Grow up, he's a kid. Let him have his dreams.
why does it matter to you what he does, as long as he's getting good grades then he can dedicate however much he wants (provided it's in healthy increments!)
Anyways buddy, keep it up but as Mr. Sour put it earlier, school comes first. You don't want to be kicking yourself later on for investing all of your time into a game that may or may not pay off.
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Mind sharing your schedule with me?
Student here as well :D
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haha i just assumed you lied again when you said you suddenly had straight a's and shit I should not have posted such a snarky response but it seems you have the capability to understand what it might look like from the outside, if you are honest about everything you said here i think you should really try for it. good luck and maybe I'll have to eat my previous words, would be a pretty cool story.
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On February 14 2012 18:49 c_kAelle wrote:
do you also play on Korea/Taiwan?
No, but I'm getting a taiwan acct soon
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Your daily/studying/practicing schedule, that is.
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On February 14 2012 13:40 seRapH wrote:
You're obviously dead set on this and nothing I say will sway you, but you need to understand the main cost isn't the effort you have to put in, it's the time you're trading away that you could be spending with your friends, making memories that'll last your lifetime. It's time that you could be spending being with your family, enjoying your world, and just being a kid. Because this is time that isn't coming back. When you spend 8+ hours a day practicing for something that very well may never happen, it's a very, very big risk, and now I can only hope you don't regret it in a few years.
The story above about Kolll is missing a few parts. The first being that Kolll was a really high level War3 player before coming to broodwar, and then he soared to B- in a matter of months. Despite a 4th place finish in WCG, losing only to koreans, Kolll could barely compete in TSL2, getting knocked out in the Ro16. And this kid was considered a prodigy. Now Kolll's practically disappeared off the face of the earth.
Could barely compete?
nonono, he got shut down in RO fucking 16 by fenix (!) who made a beautiful read on kolls muta abuse, with amazing turret placement and such. Koll is still really good.
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Azera, I will after school and after the regional science fair awards tomorrow, so around 8 EST.
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Also, I plan on releasing a new blog every 2 weeks showing my improvement, as well as occasional replays. I also will start streaming almost every day
Stream: twitch.tv/frostfire630
And I'm on TL, just not featured (obviously)
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Focus on school and rounding out other interests instead of pursing a stupid pipe dream. You've been playing starcraft since you were 8, you're now in high school and just cracked plat recently and may or may not be in diamond next season. You're statistically about as good as my friend who played starcraft for the first time six months ago, and he is average at best.
People who go pro in things do so when they're already good. You like the game, are not good, and have decided you want to be pro, as if that will have any major impact on achieving your goal. Lots of people hit masters and gm with a lot less practice time and hours than you.
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On February 14 2012 12:58 Frostfire wrote:
I had all Ds (I know, I lied, I admit) and then I put a ton of effort into getting my grades back up. When I posted that, i had 2 weeks until the quarter ended. By the time it ended, I had 6 A's and a B.
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i know it's middle school but still
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Uhhh, good luck, but remember this:
On January 25 2012 23:03 IdrA wrote:
how do you think i got that chance to develop? i ignored school and didnt have a social life for 2 years in order to win a tournament and move to korea at 18 to sit in a house and play starcraft1 with 0 return for another 3 years
most a team pros dont make salaries in korea. none of the b teamers do, the bottom of the barrel doesnt get to live in the house, they just get the priviledge of playing with the team if theyre good enough for people to want to practice with them. you have to sacrifice pretty much everything while you're on your way up. koreans are better because hundreds of them are willing to do it, a handful of nonkoreans are.
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On February 15 2012 01:04 Hawk wrote:
Focus on school and rounding out other interests instead of pursing a stupid pipe dream. You've been playing starcraft since you were 8, you're now in high school and just cracked plat recently and may or may not be in diamond next season. You're statistically about as good as my friend who played starcraft for the first time six months ago, and he is average at best.
People who go pro in things do so when they're already good. You like the game, are not good, and have decided you want to be pro, as if that will have any major impact on achieving your goal. Lots of people hit masters and gm with a lot less practice time and hours than you.
I am focusing in school, as I said, I have straight A+'s atm and am prioritizing school over everything else.
Up until season 3, I played maybe 2 hrs a week and only did 4s. In season 4, I played about an hour a day and was bronze. Season 5 I was Silver and went up to rank 1 platinum, and in my past 17 games I've gone 13-4. I WILL make diamond, and hopefully master by the end of s6. I do have a social life, as my best friends play sc and I spend family time with my dad by playing next to him, he plays WoW a lot. I'm in middle school. I cracked plat very recently and still have a 75% winrate. Focusing on starcraft and managing school has turned out to be quite easy, at least where I am right now, due to following a schedule.
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On February 14 2012 19:17 Azera wrote:
Mind sharing your schedule with me?
Student here as well :D
Here goes:
Monday/Tuesday
+ Show Spoiler + 8AM: Wake up-getdressed-shower-makecoffee
8:45AM: Watch streams
9:15AM: Go to bus, school, return home
4:45PM: Get home, homework time
5:30PM: Homework over, play ladder as much as possible
6:30PM: Eat
7:30PM: Watch streams/theorycraft
8PM: Try new/refined builds on ladder, see if they work
9PM: Play regularly on ladder
11PM: Bed
Wednesday
+ Show Spoiler + This is analyze day
8AM: Wakeup-getdressed-shower-makecoffee
8:45AM: Watch streams, take notes
9:15AM: Go to bus, school, return hime
4:45PM: Get home, HW time
5:30PM: Watch more streams/vods, take notes
6:30PM: Eat
7:30PM: Theorycraft/try specific builds with practice partners
9PM: Ladder
11PM: Bed
Thurs
+ Show Spoiler + Zerg day
Up until 7:30PM, same as wednesday
8PM: Play ZvZ with practice partner
9:30PM: Ladder
11PM: Bed
Friday
+ Show Spoiler + Protoss day
Up intil 7:30 PM, same as wednesday except watch protoss stream and look at weaknesses
8PM: Play ZvP with prac partner
9:30PM: Ladder
3AM: Bed
Saturday
+ Show Spoiler + LADDER DAY
9AM:Same as weekdays
10AM: LADDER LADDER LADDER
12PM: EAT
12:30PM: LADDER LADDER LADDER
7PM: EAT
8PM: LADDER LADDER LADDER
4AM: Bed
Sunday
+ Show Spoiler + Anything day
9AM: Same as weekdays
10AM: Ladder
12PM: Eat
12:30PM: Anything, friends, family, whatever.
7PM: eat. come home
8PM: Ladder
11PM: bed
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I'm in mid school. School will always come first, that's just my schedule for this year.
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If you are really expecting to go from gold to pro, you are in for some serious disappointment in life. I don't even take this game seriously and I placed masters my first season. You don't have the talent necessary. Sorry, it's the harsh truth.
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On February 15 2012 11:30 liberal wrote:
If you are really expecting to go from gold to pro, you are in for some serious disappointment in life. I don't even take this game seriously and I placed masters my first season. You don't have the talent necessary. Sorry, it's the harsh truth.
I've just recently taken it seriously and went from gold to diamond in 2 weeks lol
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I think I remember you just doing a 6pool with drones against me and then freaking out cause you beat a plat (you were gold). If all you do is cheese then you really shouldn't be in diamond...
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On February 14 2012 13:31 Frostfire wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 13:26 neSix wrote:I won't comment on whether or not I agree with your decisions, but I will add a few points for you to consider: There is a pretty famous post that was made on TL years ago by a young man of the name Kolll. He posted about how he'd become A in BW after only a year of practice (which, in case you didn't play BW is absolutely incredible... think the equivalent of being Grandmaster on SEA server after 3 months of playing to give you a ballpark). Most of the users on TL ripped him apart for "making it up" until he really made a name for himself in the international scene. Kolll's story is an exception... a very rare exception. But it is proof nevertheless that with lots of talent and hard work, anything is possible. I also think it's worth noting that being intelligent means more than just getting good grades. Just because you're on honor roll doesn't mean you are too smart to make bad decisions. Be very careful with how you spend your time as it will undoubtedly shape the person you will become in the future. Thanks for your input! Yes, I played BW at around 8 years old (D- on iccup lol)
Holy shit, you lie so much. You made a blog like, not long ago about how you just played BW. Why would you even lie about being in Plat?
But to everyone putting him down, if he wants this badly enough he will do it. If you tell every budding pro-gamer not to do it, what scene will there be in the future?
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Haha, thanks for your schedule. Sadly, it is not applicable to me because I have to wake up at 5am for school everyday and 45 minutes on homework is like... LOL.
Not to be condescending, but Asian education, man.
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On February 16 2012 15:25 Jedclark wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 13:31 Frostfire wrote:On February 14 2012 13:26 neSix wrote:I won't comment on whether or not I agree with your decisions, but I will add a few points for you to consider: There is a pretty famous post that was made on TL years ago by a young man of the name Kolll. He posted about how he'd become A in BW after only a year of practice (which, in case you didn't play BW is absolutely incredible... think the equivalent of being Grandmaster on SEA server after 3 months of playing to give you a ballpark). Most of the users on TL ripped him apart for "making it up" until he really made a name for himself in the international scene. Kolll's story is an exception... a very rare exception. But it is proof nevertheless that with lots of talent and hard work, anything is possible. I also think it's worth noting that being intelligent means more than just getting good grades. Just because you're on honor roll doesn't mean you are too smart to make bad decisions. Be very careful with how you spend your time as it will undoubtedly shape the person you will become in the future. Thanks for your input! Yes, I played BW at around 8 years old (D- on iccup lol) Holy shit, you lie so much. You made a blog like, not long ago about how you just played BW. Why would you even lie about being in Plat? But to everyone putting him down, if he wants this badly enough he will do it. If you tell every budding pro-gamer not to do it, what scene will there be in the future?
Yeah, in that blog he said he started playing when he was 6 (even specifying that the year was 2003) and could beat 2 A.I. by himself by age 7 O.O
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I could lol, I do play BW as well. I don't see that part that makes me a liar bro.
I also said that I hadn't played BW since I lost the disc for a long ass time, I'm very confused where the me lieing part is.
Edit: I think I may see the point of confusion. I played BW from 6-8 years old. At 8 years old, I lost the disc and recently ( a few months ago) bought is on my online battle.net account. Don't accuse me of lying for things that I haven't lied about, rofl.
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On February 16 2012 13:22 Fallians wrote:
I think I remember you just doing a 6pool with drones against me and then freaking out cause you beat a plat (you were gold). If all you do is cheese then you really shouldn't be in diamond...
Rofl when was this?
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On February 16 2012 16:57 Frostfire wrote:
I could lol, I do play BW as well. I don't see that part that makes me a liar bro.
In this blog you say D- iccup at age 8 whereas your other blog talks about defeating the A.I. at age 7. You said that shortly afterwards you lost everything because your computer died and your disc was long gone. Beyond that its kind of strange that your BW is scary blog seems to imply that you had just bought the game for the first time and had never played it before. Just a little strange is all.
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On February 16 2012 17:03 Immaterial wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2012 16:57 Frostfire wrote:
I could lol, I do play BW as well. I don't see that part that makes me a liar bro. In this blog you say D- iccup at age 8 whereas your other blog talks about defeating the A.I. at age 7. You said that shortly afterwards you lost everything because your computer died and your disc was long gone. Beyond that its kind of strange that your BW is scary blog seems to imply that you had just bought the game for the first time and had never played it before. Just a little strange is all.
Please check the updated version of my response
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Why would even lie about being plat?
Cas I already said, I wanted more supportive stuff, but then I realized the next day, lieing gets people nowhere (Unless you're Rick Scott)
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hahaha what is the point of lying on TL forums? and the point of this thread? you have 1396 league wins and youre still diamond. I think youre delusional
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On February 16 2012 22:39 ayrsen wrote:
hahaha what is the point of lying on TL forums? and the point of this thread? you have 1396 league wins and youre still diamond. I think youre delusional
For the 1000th time, i spent the first 3 easons derping in 4v4, so whetther or not i played well, the win vount for total league games is irrelevant. I bet at least 2/3rds are team games
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No offense, but you are in middle school achieving straight A's, which cannot be really called an achievement.
Anyone with half a mind can get straight A's in middle school and its not so hard in highschool either. Most of all, it does not matter if you went to gold or plat in how many weeks... gold or plat is still very low skill level. As mentioned before, to become a pro gamer, you need some natural talent in it, and one way of proving it is if you really got to masters or GM level in a month or so. Does that seem improbable? progamers in korea do it with couple days of practise.
Also, what is a pro gamer in your opinion? I personally wouldn't consider anyone in foreign scene other than Idra or HuK (and anyone who has participated in GSL) a pro gamer. Yes, they can work their ass off, and play it as their career, but when you make a living out of this game, where future is uncertain and income depends on your skill level, it is pointless to dedicate your life to it.
It does seem like you are dedicated and you are probably a smart guy. The thing is, you can't do well in school with 30 min of homework when you get into highschool, and you will need to study for half a day in university. As Idra said, you really have to give up everything to become a 'notable' progamer. and in my view, Idra is notable progamer
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Dude, do not listen to any of these people saying you will never reach your dreams, I am only a silver league with dreams of being a pro one day and ANYTHING is possible if you dedicate yourself to it and not give up, but DO NOT give up on your grades because if it doesn't happen atleast you will have a good education to fall back on, there are plenty of pros with College degrees for Example incontrol has a degree in English, so if he can do that AND could have became a pro, then you can too, Goodluck man and I hope you reach your dreams! <3
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On February 16 2012 23:55 Sc2Corpse wrote:
Dude, do not listen to any of these people saying you will never reach your dreams, I am only a silver league with dreams of being a pro one day and ANYTHING is possible if you dedicate yourself to it and not give up, but DO NOT give up on your grades because if it doesn't happen atleast you will have a good education to fall back on, there are plenty of pros with College degrees for Example incontrol has a degree in English, so if he can do that AND could have became a pro, then you can too, Goodluck man and I hope you reach your dreams! <3
Frostfire.630
<3 if you have skype, i can watch you play people and give you sone tips if you want.
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On February 16 2012 23:44 ExceeD_DreaM wrote:
No offense, but you are in middle school achieving straight A's, which cannot be really called an achievement.
Anyone with half a mind can get straight A's in middle school and its not so hard in highschool either. Most of all, it does not matter if you went to gold or plat in how many weeks... gold or plat is still very low skill level. As mentioned before, to become a pro gamer, you need some natural talent in it, and one way of proving it is if you really got to masters or GM level in a month or so. Does that seem improbable? progamers in korea do it with couple days of practise.
Also, what is a pro gamer in your opinion? I personally wouldn't consider anyone in foreign scene other than Idra or HuK (and anyone who has participated in GSL) a pro gamer. Yes, they can work their ass off, and play it as their career, but when you make a living out of this game, where future is uncertain and income depends on your skill level, it is pointless to dedicate your life to it.
It does seem like you are dedicated and you are probably a smart guy. The thing is, you can't do well in school with 30 min of homework when you get into highschool, and you will need to studyi think it i for half a day in university. As Idra said, you really have to give up everything to become a 'notable' progamer. and in my view, Idra is notable progamer
i think i can be masters within 2 weeks.
I believe a pro is anybody who can make a living off of playing the game, aside from streaming. Like, Machine is one of my favorite players. Hes not very "notable" thoufh, right? nonetheless, he still has a large fanbase, is on a great team, and makes a living. I dont expect to be the next idra or huk, but even cominf close to say, machine status, is a dream i seek to fulfill.
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On February 15 2012 02:56 Frostfire wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 01:04 Hawk wrote:
Focus on school and rounding out other interests instead of pursing a stupid pipe dream. You've been playing starcraft since you were 8, you're now in high school and just cracked plat recently and may or may not be in diamond next season. You're statistically about as good as my friend who played starcraft for the first time six months ago, and he is average at best.
People who go pro in things do so when they're already good. You like the game, are not good, and have decided you want to be pro, as if that will have any major impact on achieving your goal. Lots of people hit masters and gm with a lot less practice time and hours than you. I am focusing in school, as I said, I have straight A+'s atm and am prioritizing school over everything else. Up until season 3, I played maybe 2 hrs a week and only did 4s. In season 4, I played about an hour a day and was bronze. Season 5 I was Silver and went up to rank 1 platinum, and in my past 17 games I've gone 13-4. I WILL make diamond, and hopefully master by the end of s6. I do have a social life, as my best friends play sc and I spend family time with my dad by playing next to him, he plays WoW a lot. I'm in middle school. I cracked plat very recently and still have a 75% winrate. Focusing on starcraft and managing school has turned out to be quite easy, at least where I am right now, due to following a schedule.
because you're in middle school and middle school is a joke.
Also, because of your age, you have no idea what 'a living' is. Machine, just like anyone else that isn't in the top 5%, isn't making anything of note at all.
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The amount of BMing in here makes me sad. TT Say what you want to say, but you don't have to be mean about it. Glad to see Frostfire is keeping his spirits up.
Bullying/picking on someone - cut it out, everyone. Seriously.
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On February 17 2012 01:38 Hawk wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 02:56 Frostfire wrote:On February 15 2012 01:04 Hawk wrote:
Focus on school and rounding out other interests instead of pursing a stupid pipe dream. You've been playing starcraft since you were 8, you're now in high school and just cracked plat recently and may or may not be in diamond next season. You're statistically about as good as my friend who played starcraft for the first time six months ago, and he is average at best.
People who go pro in things do so when they're already good. You like the game, are not good, and have decided you want to be pro, as if that will have any major impact on achieving your goal. Lots of people hit masters and gm with a lot less practice time and hours than you. I am focusing in school, as I said, I have straight A+'s atm and am prioritizing school over everything else. Up until season 3, I played maybe 2 hrs a week and only did 4s. In season 4, I played about an hour a day and was bronze. Season 5 I was Silver and went up to rank 1 platinum, and in my past 17 games I've gone 13-4. I WILL make diamond, and hopefully master by the end of s6. I do have a social life, as my best friends play sc and I spend family time with my dad by playing next to him, he plays WoW a lot. I'm in middle school. I cracked plat very recently and still have a 75% winrate. Focusing on starcraft and managing school has turned out to be quite easy, at least where I am right now, due to following a schedule. because you're in middle school and middle school is a joke. Also, because of your age, you have no idea what 'a living' is. Machine, just like anyone else that isn't in the top 5%, isn't making anything of note at all.
Sincei dont have access to the numbers, i dont know, but i know hes making enough where he doesnt have to work a seperate job, anyway, middle school used to be a joke for me. Made 100s in classes wo even trying, but then they put me in high school, i already have enough credits so i dont have to take any lang and can skip a year of math.
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On February 17 2012 02:01 Zaranth wrote:
The amount of BMing in here makes me sad. TT Say what you want to say, but you don't have to be mean about it. Glad to see Frostfire is keeping his spirits up.
Bullying/picking on someone - cut it out, everyone. Seriously.
<3
Anyways, this needs to stop being replied to, i bet im aggravating the community
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Kennigit is a cool guy and he is right.
In future years you will need to scale up your schoolwork time in order to maintain your grades. Also don't forget to have other hobbies. Sure you have a dream about going pro, but understand that nobody will take you seriously until you are 18+. Many tournaments won't let you enter, and no team will sign you to a contract that you need a parent to sign for you.
Yes going pro would be cool, but is it realistic for your current situation? No, but keep practicing and maybe it will be in the future.
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On February 17 2012 02:42 Inkarnate wrote:
Kennigit is a cool guy and he is right.
In future years you will need to scale up your schoolwork time in order to maintain your grades. Also don't forget to have other hobbies. Sure you have a dream about going pro, but understand that nobody will take you seriously until you are 18+. Many tournaments won't let you enter, and no team will sign you to a contract that you need a parent to sign for you.
Yes going pro would be cool, but is it realistic for your current situation? No, but keep practicing and maybe it will be in the future.
I understand that all very much so. I just hope to in the future go into a professional rts career, i was hoping to make a name for myself early hots, but maybe lotv will be my uprise. I know these things dont happen overnight
Last reply im posting as this has been here much too long
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On November 29 2011 08:01 Frostfire wrote:
Hello TL,
I just bought and installed Brood War, due to everyone saying it's such a great game and I'm missing out if I don't play it.
What did you say?
Also, lying about being Plat, when you're gold, is like saying you can run a 10 minute mile when you can run a 10:10 minute mile. Plat is still really, really bad.
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On February 17 2012 07:51 Jedclark wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2011 08:01 Frostfire wrote:
Hello TL,
I just bought and installed Brood War, due to everyone saying it's such a great game and I'm missing out if I don't play it. What did you say? Also, lying about being Plat, when you're gold, is like saying you can run a 10 minute mile when you can run a 10:10 minute mile. Plat is still really, really bad.
Ruh oh, busted man 
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On February 17 2012 08:01 dGHaiL wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 07:51 Jedclark wrote:On November 29 2011 08:01 Frostfire wrote:
Hello TL,
I just bought and installed Brood War, due to everyone saying it's such a great game and I'm missing out if I don't play it. What did you say? Also, lying about being Plat, when you're gold, is like saying you can run a 10 minute mile when you can run a 10:10 minute mile. Plat is still really, really bad. Ruh oh, busted man
Never said it wasn't, as I've said previously, it was 4am and I just wanted sympathy or something, idek. But no more posting, if you have something to say PM me, I hate clogging up blogs
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IGNORE the naysayers!
im sure boxer had many people tell him he was crazy insane and foolish
esports didnt even exist yet
but he created the whole thing
what if boxer, nestea, mc listened to the naysayers who said its impossible?
arnold schwarzeneggar?
people who gave up on life will try to bring you down.
its better to risk DIEING then live a life you know is not right in your heart
follow your heart til the end
and ignore the naysayers
talent is a myth
its about how much heart you put into it
and hard work
genius is 99% perspiration
failures blame it on talent, or genetics
when they simply lacked the work ethic and passion
whats the point of living if your not gonna pursue what you know you want to
if you say maybe ill try to become a pro so i can be famous
no you will fail
you have to say
i will do whatever it takes
read every motivational book
train for hours
because you believe in yourself and in your vision
dont think you will have regrets
they have regrets because they gave up
what doesnt kill you will only make you stronger
you were put on earth to thrive and be an incredible person
not to shrink and think you cant do anything
one thing tho you must know that you could be successful at anything
to be a pro gamer you must have other options
1. being a billionaire inventor
2. being a president of a nation
3. any other insanely difficult goal
if your only good at starcraft, and dont think youd be good at anything else, you will fail
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