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TheToast
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4808 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-14 05:14:17
February 14 2012 04:50 GMT
#21
Kennigit, the man of many hats. Progamming team support guy, community administrator, social worker...
I like the way the walls go out. Gives you an open feeling. Firefly's a good design. People don't appreciate the substance of things. Objects in space. People miss out on what's solid.
shizaep
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada2920 Posts
February 14 2012 04:52 GMT
#22
Anybody else feel another post coming up in a couple of weeks: "I lied about everything in my last blog and was trying to get people to say nice things to me."

No, I'm just kidding. Don't take it the wrong way.

On a serious note, I'll say that I am doubtful at best that you will ever have any success at SC2. Unless you devote yourself completely to the game, you'll never have any tournament success. If you think you can be the next HuK, you should think again. There are a handful of people who are the best at the game and they have left school, family to get there, pretty much dedicating their whole lives to it. There are a lot of progamers in Korea but the reality is that none of them will ever find any success. They have no job, no education, barely a social life and grim prospects of the future. They believe they are following their dreams but 5 years later they will come to the realization that they just wasted their youth playing the game that they grew to hate. I probably sound pretty depressing right now but I'm just trying to make you realize that real-life progaming is far from what glamorous TL biographies of the best players make it out to be. My 2 cents: play casually, maybe get to masters or something but do not sink your life into this. You'll be sorry later. Do something productive on your other time.

However, I am just an online identity that you will never meet. There's no reason for you to listen to me. It's your life.
You mean I just write stuff here and other people can see it?
Frostfire
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States419 Posts
February 14 2012 04:57 GMT
#23
On February 14 2012 13:52 shizaep wrote:
Anybody else feel another post coming up in a couple of weeks: "I lied about everything in my last blog and was trying to get people to say nice things to me."

No, I'm just kidding. Don't take it the wrong way.

On a serious note, I'll say that I am doubtful at best that you will ever have any success at SC2. Unless you devote yourself completely to the game, you'll never have any tournament success. If you think you can be the next HuK, you should think again. There are a handful of people who are the best at the game and they have left school, family to get there, pretty much dedicating their whole lives to it. There are a lot of progamers in Korea but the reality is that none of them will ever find any success. They have no job, no education, barely a social life and grim prospects of the future. They believe they are following their dreams but 5 years later they will come to the realization that they just wasted their youth playing the game that they grew to hate. I probably sound pretty depressing right now but I'm just trying to make you realize that real-life progaming is far from what glamorous TL biographies of the best players make it out to be. My 2 cents: play casually, maybe get to masters or something but do not sink your life into this. You'll be sorry later. Do something productive on your other time.

However, I am just an online identity that you will never meet. There's no reason for you to listen to me. It's your life.


I can say 100% seriously that no lies were made in this post. Then again no one should believe that as I have already exposed myself as a liar. Believe me or not, the main thing is I'm not putting my entire life into it, as I have said before I'm maintaning my grades and going to the best school in my state next year, and Im going to state science fair april 1-4th doing a computer project, where hopefully something will happen. ALL of the interests in my life go to computers, and after being a progamer I hope to become an electrical engineer, or a programmer (I know html, and a tiny tiny bit of php and java). I will however at this point in my life start treating sc2 as more than just a hobby. I'm taking everything very seriously and studying everything that is available to me. I am dedicated (: but I realize school and things that happen after this are very important as well. Thanks for your input!
"In solitude, we are least alone"
dGHaiL
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States177 Posts
February 14 2012 05:05 GMT
#24
Hey Frostfire,

Starcraft 2 was the first RTS game I'd ever played seriously. Sure, I'd played Brood War as a kid, but I really just messed around against the AI and used cheat codes. I had never ACTUALLY played against an online opponent. I also played a little Warcraft 3, but I did the exact same thing.

My point is: SC2 was the first RTS game I picked up and said to myself: I'm going to be good.

I started playing in March of last year, starting in bronze as terran. I bumped up to gold after a day or two, and then switched to zerg and fell to silver. After another week, I was back up to platinum. I spent the summer with the Navy and was unable to play, so I put SC2 back on the shelf. When I got to school in September, I had more time on my hands and began to play again. After a month I had worked my way up to a promotion to masters with the beginning of season 4. I was ecstatic.

My point is, you don't have to be dedicated to Starcraft to improve relative to the people around you. I'm going to toot my own horn and say I was a highly ranked Feral Druid in WoW, back when the level cap was 60. (Vanilla WoW, yeah). I've always been good at video games, and I played a LOT of chess in high school. I don't play much Starcraft since I don't have the time or a good computer at school, but somehow I placed into masters. If you believe in yourself, I think you can do it.

If you want a practice partner, I used to go by Foe 558 on NA, but now I play under WoLveRine.321. (Opened a random account and now play mostly terran). I'd love to play with you sometime if you want a practice partner of any race. My P is probably only Low diamond level, but it could still be useful.

Keep your grades up, though, but otherwise man I say go for it!

glhf

Frostfire
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States419 Posts
February 14 2012 05:08 GMT
#25
On February 14 2012 14:05 dGHaiL wrote:
Hey Frostfire,

Starcraft 2 was the first RTS game I'd ever played seriously. Sure, I'd played Brood War as a kid, but I really just messed around against the AI and used cheat codes. I had never ACTUALLY played against an online opponent. I also played a little Warcraft 3, but I did the exact same thing.

My point is: SC2 was the first RTS game I picked up and said to myself: I'm going to be good.

I started playing in March of last year, starting in bronze as terran. I bumped up to gold after a day or two, and then switched to zerg and fell to silver. After another week, I was back up to platinum. I spent the summer with the Navy and was unable to play, so I put SC2 back on the shelf. When I got to school in September, I had more time on my hands and began to play again. After a month I had worked my way up to a promotion to masters with the beginning of season 4. I was ecstatic.

My point is, you don't have to be dedicated to Starcraft to improve relative to the people around you. I'm going to toot my own horn and say I was a highly ranked Feral Druid in WoW, back when the level cap was 60. (Vanilla WoW, yeah). I've always been good at video games, and I played a LOT of chess in high school. I don't play much Starcraft since I don't have the time or a good computer at school, but somehow I placed into masters. If you believe in yourself, I think you can do it.

If you want a practice partner, I used to go by Foe 558 on NA, but now I play under WoLveRine.321. (Opened a random account and now play mostly terran). I'd love to play with you sometime if you want a practice partner of any race. My P is probably only Low diamond level, but it could still be useful.

Keep your grades up, though, but otherwise man I say go for it!

glhf


Thanks for your input! Added!
"In solitude, we are least alone"
Frostfire
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States419 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-14 05:11:02
February 14 2012 05:09 GMT
#26
Also: here is my battle.net account, in my past 15 games, I've gone 11-4
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2132519/1/Frostfire/
"In solitude, we are least alone"
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
February 14 2012 05:09 GMT
#27
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dGHaiL
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States177 Posts
February 14 2012 05:15 GMT
#28
If you want to be a professional athlete of any kind, starting at a very young age is almost always required.

I played tennis from the age of about 9, but I know I'll never be a professional because I didn't start when I was three. I'll settle for playing in college.

Its also worth noting that yeah, he's platinum, but he's also only 14. Maybe he won't be PRO in Starcraft 2, but HoTS will change things, and there will be other RTS games that come out. I wonder what some of the pros would say if you asked them what age they were when they decided to go pro?

You can't really be playing competitive starcraft at 5 years old like you can be playing tennis or basketball.

I'm not trying to push this kid down a bad road - merely trying to point out the differences.
Frostfire
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States419 Posts
February 14 2012 05:17 GMT
#29
On February 14 2012 14:15 dGHaiL wrote:
If you want to be a professional athlete of any kind, starting at a very young age is almost always required.

I played tennis from the age of about 9, but I know I'll never be a professional because I didn't start when I was three. I'll settle for playing in college.

Its also worth noting that yeah, he's platinum, but he's also only 14. Maybe he won't be PRO in Starcraft 2, but HoTS will change things, and there will be other RTS games that come out. I wonder what some of the pros would say if you asked them what age they were when they decided to go pro?

You can't really be playing competitive starcraft at 5 years old like you can be playing tennis or basketball.

I'm not trying to push this kid down a bad road - merely trying to point out the differences.


Thanks for your input!
For around the first 3 seasons of sc2, I didn't try at all, and was really only playing 4s. Now that I've recently dedicated myself, I went from around rank 25 gold to rank 1 plat with about a 65% winrate
"In solitude, we are least alone"
Balgrog
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1221 Posts
February 14 2012 05:23 GMT
#30
As long as you are keeping your grades up and not closing any doors in your life, keep with the dream of being a pro gamer! All kids fantasize of being a pro athlete, play it in school growing up and what not, this is just the same thing. Keep at it, but listen to those wiser than you, keep up on school and don't close doors in life.
The only way to attack structure is with chaos.
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
February 14 2012 05:26 GMT
#31
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Frostfire
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States419 Posts
February 14 2012 05:30 GMT
#32
Thanks for your input guys, I'm going to bed!
"In solitude, we are least alone"
dGHaiL
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States177 Posts
February 14 2012 05:31 GMT
#33
On February 14 2012 14:26 krndandaman wrote:
lol only 14 is not a big issue. guess how old Flash was when he won his first individual title? and he made a promise to become a progamer and win a title within 1 year. alot of progamers get good really quick and spend insane hours practicing.


Flash was 15. And this kid isn't saying he's going to win GSL. He's saying he's going to go pro. Comparing him to Flash, one of THE BEST Starcraft players ever, is like comparing Rafael Nadal to Jack Socke. Rafael was 18 when he won his first major title. Socke is 18 now, and hasn't won a title. But he has the potential to be very good if he goes professional and keeps training. Should he quit because he isn't the best pro on the tour?

Let the kid have a dream!
Frostfire
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States419 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-14 05:36:20
February 14 2012 05:36 GMT
#34
On February 14 2012 14:31 dGHaiL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2012 14:26 krndandaman wrote:
lol only 14 is not a big issue. guess how old Flash was when he won his first individual title? and he made a promise to become a progamer and win a title within 1 year. alot of progamers get good really quick and spend insane hours practicing.


Flash was 15. And this kid isn't saying he's going to win GSL. He's saying he's going to go pro. Comparing him to Flash, one of THE BEST Starcraft players ever, is like comparing Rafael Nadal to Jack Socke. Rafael was 18 when he won his first major title. Socke is 18 now, and hasn't won a title. But he has the potential to be very good if he goes professional and keeps training. Should he quit because he isn't the best pro on the tour?

Let the kid have a dream!


This. I'm not expecting to be the best person ever, nor the next HuK, but I do want to make a name for myself.
"In solitude, we are least alone"
seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9822 Posts
February 14 2012 05:45 GMT
#35
In any case if you ever happen to become true pr0 and make WCG semis then post a new blog linked to this one and we get epic thread ^ㅇ^
boomer hands
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
February 14 2012 06:06 GMT
#36
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Artifice
Profile Joined May 2010
United States523 Posts
February 14 2012 06:07 GMT
#37
I think Kennigit didn't post in this yet because he doesn't know what to say. I like this blog, good luck kid.
dGHaiL
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States177 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-14 06:14:34
February 14 2012 06:13 GMT
#38
On February 14 2012 15:06 krndandaman wrote:
inachievable dream.


There are plenty of pro starcraft players who I would consider "on the fringe". They are part of a progaming team, and make lots of money streaming their games.

You don't have to win GSL to be a progamer. You don't have to be Flash.

And yes, to claim this kid is Jack Socke was a stretch, I knew Socke as a junior - incredibly talented. But who's to say this kid isn't? He's 14 - with a little playing time, who knows. If his grades are fine and his social life is okay, why not see what he can do? I'm not telling the kid to play 10 hours a day, frankly, I expect him to see how far he can get in a few months / half a year and then determine if he can actually make a run as a pro-player.

Edit: krn, I appreciate the civil argument, as well
kAelle_sc
Profile Joined April 2011
287 Posts
February 14 2012 09:49 GMT
#39
do you also play on Korea/Taiwan?
It's all about the journey, not the outcome.
NoctemSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States771 Posts
February 14 2012 10:04 GMT
#40
On February 14 2012 13:11 seRapH wrote:
I don't like to be harsh, but the simple truth is that you're not going to become a progamer. You won't ever make it to korea. In all likelihood you won't even be a relevant name in the foreign scene. The skill gap between you and the pros is much wider than you think, and no amount of practice will get you there. It may seem unreal, but better players than you have tried. People who were smarter than you, who practiced more, who had more support and who were more talented have tried and failed. They fell back on their schooling and concentrated on their studies. You're not going to do better.

If you really want to be a presence in the starcraft community, this website is a great place to start. You don't have to be good at the game, you can just be entertaining, or learn to program and make something useful for us, or if you're an artist draw something. But please don't waste your life chasing an impossible dream. If you're telling the truth about your grades then that's great, keep it up, but don't see starcraft as anything more than a hobby. That's not to say you shouldn't keep trying to improve, of course, but remember that it's secondary.

I know you're being honest but you're doing it in a way that puts him down in the process. Leave that crap to yourself
"people who are smarter, people more practiced, people who had more support"

Really man? Grow up, he's a kid. Let him have his dreams.
why does it matter to you what he does, as long as he's getting good grades then he can dedicate however much he wants (provided it's in healthy increments!)

Anyways buddy, keep it up but as Mr. Sour put it earlier, school comes first. You don't want to be kicking yourself later on for investing all of your time into a game that may or may not pay off.
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