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Ydriel
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Italy516 Posts
February 11 2012 19:30 GMT
#1
I dunno, maybe it’s nostalgia, but playing BW lately has given me a fuzzy feeling all over.
But yeah, short introduction, and maybe explain why I’m such a lurker and hardly post, and why I felt the need to make a blog about this…actually I can’t explain the former, so I’ll just stick to explaining the latter.

So, as I said, I don’t post much, and I’m not one to write blogs often. However, I love TL and its community ever since I started visiting it, I’ve found out about it when I started playing SC2 last year, I really wish I’d find out about it sooner. The common interest for Starcraft has put together such a great and varied group of people, I just love to read (and sometimes posting) the various blogs and posts in the General section. Seriously, TL is what makes me keep such an interest in Starcraft.

Moving on. I loved BW. Hell, it’s all I’ve played for about 2 years. Back when I was about 11 years old, a friend showed me Starcraft. Me, being a sucker for RTS (especially from Blizz, spent huge amounts of time playing WC2), I started playing it. And I loved the campaign. And then we started installing it on our school’s computer and sneak there to play whenever we had time. And it was awesome. I remember we used to play some funky 4-player map all the time, can’t even remember the name. Then we discovered The Hunters, and we moved there. I loved it, every race was unique and it had its own feeling. Back then, I thought cannon rushing was the best strat (cannon rushing 5 people in a FFA on The Hunters? Damn fun! Ensuing 1v5 and surviving for 20 minutes before my inevitable death? Priceless), DTs were by far better than zealots, and Archon was pretty much the most OP unit (what can I say…I was a kid), so yeah, I did play Protoss.

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That's right, mah boy, Archons. gg no re


Sometimes I’d play T, I loved their tanks and nukes. Never got into playing Zerg though. For some reason, I hated them. I’ve never had the luck to play online, back then I didn’t have any connection, either at home or in my school, so we limited ourselves to LANs. Eventually, I was lucky enough to have 2 computers connected by LAN at home, and me and my friends would take turns to play there. Sometimes we’d go to another’s friend house, who had also a couple of computers in a LAN, and play there. But, as all games, my friends slowly started moving away from BW (I think we moved on to AoM, and eventually off from RTS), and so did I. Several years later, I’d learned about the pro scene in SC, but I didn’t really follow it. I was too busy playing WC3, and then DotA.

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I played Orc. All because of this guy. My hero ever since WC2:ToD


Fast forward several years, and I start to hear about SC2. I wasn’t very interested at first, but I thought it was amazing they’d finally make a sequel after all these years. Thought that maybe I’d try it for old times’ sake. A couple of friends got into beta and started talking me into buying it, and eventually got my copy shortly after it was released. And I loved it. It wasn’t quite BW, sure, but to me it felt like it was. I started playing it, found out about TL, and since then I’ve been playing it, on and off (mostly on) till a few weeks back. Started with Protoss, decided to try Terran.“Damn those T, they’ve got so much harass! How hard can it be to play T?”…yeah, wasn’t so easy, but I loved playing T, and stuck with ‘em ever since.

“Well, great, you play SC2 now. What about BW?”
Well, damn you, hypothetical blog reader, I’m getting there!

A few weeks ago, my laptop (and only gaming machine) was stolen. Yeah, bad story. Makes me wish I had a portable baseball bat…or a lightsaber…actually screw that, force choke that mofo.
Ahem…well, here I am now, a broke college student with no gaming rig. I’m saving on getting a new one, but meanwhile I’m stuck with a laptop a friend lent me. But (and not that I’m complaining, it’s more than I bargained for), this thing sucks for gaming. Like, Core Duo, 3 GB, integrated video card kind of suck. Can’t really play anything here, and I don’t have a console (moved on from console gaming, mostly stuck with PC gaming and camping my friend’s PS3 when I hang out with him).

So here I am, having to get my SC2 (and occasionally DotA 2 and BW) fix through streams and such. Then, all of a sudden, I thought “Well, this thing should run BW. I could give it a try on Iccup”. And so I did. Decided I’d try to play as T rather than go back to P, checked out some threads on BW Strategy, checked a few games, checked Bw Liquipedia for a basic BO, installed BW and there I was, getting back into the game. Started playing a bit with the AI, decided I familiarized with the game enough to play an online game…and I got stomped. And again. And again.

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Pretty much like ths guy


Yeah, wasn’t really surprised, I knew it would be this way. But the replays helped. Gave me an idea of what to watch out for, what I should work on, I got the improved AI for BW and I’ve been practicing my mechanics a bit. However…sure, the UI is atrocious when compared to SC2, it’s more APM intensive (not that is a bad thing, just might be a turn off for some people), but…I’m having fun. Like, tons of fun. SC2 is fun, sure, and I don’t even want to start a comparison or a flame war between the 2, TL is full enough of those and I appreciate each of them for what they are. But BW has something about it that I really missed. I’d like to think it’s the units, they have a certain fun factor. For example, Colossi are nice units and all, but every time they pew pew with their lasers, you don’t go and think “Wow, it hit all those marines! That’s gotta hurt!”. It does its job, but it’s by no means exciting. A reaver shooting SCVs or goons or whatever gets in its path? With the uncertainty it’ll hit? And the big explosion when it does? Now that’s fun. Or tanks melting enemy units so badly it makes you all cuddly and happy. Or the scream of goons and zealots when they enter a minefield.

It’s something about the design, I’d guess. Back then, Blizz didn’t base their design on whether it was balanced or not, they’d base on whether it was fun, and balance it from there. HTs are fun, and storming the other guy to oblivion is still as satisfactory in SC2 as in BW (sure, less APM intensive, but that’s outside the point). Stalkers are even more fun to use than goons, since they have Blink. But units such as Colossi, or Immortals…they’re not bad, but not particularly “fun”. Same with Hellions and Vultures. A freaking space bike that lays mines? Now that’s freaking awesome! A car with flamethrower? Sure, it’s pretty awesome as well when you burn their workers to oblivion, but their design is a bit…lacking, I’d guess.

Ahhh…I guess I did end up comparing them. Well, SC2 is still awesome in its way and not all of its units suffer from the “not-as-fun” syndrome. Also, HotS looks like it will be a huge improvement on that regard, with a better unit design and more micro involved for the new units (if the units make it to release, that is) and as soon as I get my new laptop, I’ll get back to play it.
But, a suggestion to all those people that are playing SC2 and have never played BW before… give it a try. Just a few games. Yeah, the UI is pretty old, but get past that. See the game for what it is, for the genuine fun it provides. If anything, to see where SC2 came from, and how TL started out

P.S. Yeah…I guess this turned out to be longer than I thought
tl;dr? BW is fun and I missed it. If you have never played it, go do that like, right now

P.S.S. English is not my first language, so I apologize for any mistakes.

****
<3 SC2 <3<3 Dota 2. Steam ID: HellS
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
February 11 2012 19:46 GMT
#2
Fast forward several years, and I start to hear about SC2. I wasn’t very interested at first, but I thought it was amazing they’d finally make a sequel after all these years. Thought that maybe I’d try it for old times’ sake. A couple of friends got into beta and started talking me into buying it, and eventually got my copy shortly after it was released. And I loved it. It wasn’t quite BW, sure, but to me it felt like it was. I started playing it, found out about TL, and since then I’ve been playing it, on and off (mostly on) till a few weeks back. Started with Protoss, decided to try Terran.“Damn those T, they’ve got so much harass! How hard can it be to play T?”…yeah, wasn’t so easy, but I loved playing T, and stuck with ‘em ever since.


Story of my life.
I was so into DotA and WarCraft III, Go undead! Followed scene very lightly, practically not at all (except for a player and the games).

Friends started playing SC2, so I got into the beta and just started trying it out, etc.

WarCraft III!
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
February 11 2012 19:55 GMT
#3
man your story is very similar to mine. great blog. seriously something about bw makes it a blast to play. you are right about the units, also I like the fact that the game has a very high skill ceiling. It really makes me appreciate the pros.
Roe
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada6002 Posts
February 11 2012 19:57 GMT
#4
something about archons in bw makes me salivate
unit
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2621 Posts
February 11 2012 20:25 GMT
#5
On February 12 2012 04:57 Roe wrote:
something about archons in bw makes me salivate

it's the same for me, except with reavers :3
virpi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany3598 Posts
February 11 2012 20:28 GMT
#6
On February 12 2012 05:25 unit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2012 04:57 Roe wrote:
something about archons in bw makes me salivate

it's the same for me, except with reavers :3

lurkers and defilers. the alpha and the omega.

nice blog!
first we make expand, then we defense it.
CrayonPopChoa
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Canada761 Posts
February 11 2012 20:31 GMT
#7
BW Blogs are a really cheap way to get 5 stars from me
BW4LIFE
FourFace
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
701 Posts
February 11 2012 21:53 GMT
#8
What do you mean you "got the improved AI for BW" ? Where did you get it from and why haven't I heard of it?
I don't know, lynch me!
EdSlyB
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Portugal1621 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-11 22:37:33
February 11 2012 22:34 GMT
#9
Nice blog. 5/5

Comparing BW to SC2 is unfair.
BW is BW. SC2 is SC2. End of story. The only thing that counts is if you have fun playing either. ^^
And you should play BW just to see how life was before smartcasting and intelligent pathfinding lol

edit - you made me think about WC3...Now i'm with some doubts: install or not install. That is the question.
aka Wardo
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
February 11 2012 22:37 GMT
#10
Warcraft 2: ToD


holy shit thats where tod got his name from?
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5595 Posts
February 11 2012 23:52 GMT
#11
Man I want to play some Starcraft now. Like, badly.

5/5
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
Rotodyne
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States2263 Posts
February 12 2012 00:58 GMT
#12
Thanks for this, going to try to install. SC2 game play just can't compare : [
I can only play starcraft when I am shit canned. IPXZERG is a god.
Ydriel
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Italy516 Posts
February 12 2012 02:05 GMT
#13
On February 12 2012 04:46 Torte de Lini wrote:

Story of my life.
I was so into DotA and WarCraft III, Go undead! Followed scene very lightly, practically not at all (except for a player and the games).

Friends started playing SC2, so I got into the beta and just started trying it out, etc.

WarCraft III!


Man, undead was so awesome as well! I'd play UD from time to time, but I pretty much sucked xD Besides, BM and FS were too cool.

On February 12 2012 06:53 FourFace wrote:
What do you mean you "got the improved AI for BW" ? Where did you get it from and why haven't I heard of it?


http://www.broodwarai.com/. It's not as good as human players (obviously), but it's a great improvement from the normal AI and it'll respond with smart BOs, so it's a nice way to practice holding some stuff and what not xD

On February 12 2012 04:55 Golgotha wrote:
man your story is very similar to mine. great blog. seriously something about bw makes it a blast to play. you are right about the units, also I like the fact that the game has a very high skill ceiling. It really makes me appreciate the pros.


Thanks Here's to hoping Blizz doesn't mess up in HotS, and get over the idea that they should work on balancing the game by "adding" stuff, not "removing" it. The carrier is such an iconic unit, why would they remove it? Hell, the Mothership
wasn't used much (read: at all, unless you were HuK ) when the game first released, but it didn't hurt anyone to just leave it there. And now that it finally found a somewhat niche place in PvZ, they're gonna remove that as well :/

Not cool Blizz, not cool.

On February 12 2012 07:34 EdSlyB wrote:
Nice blog. 5/5

Comparing BW to SC2 is unfair.
BW is BW. SC2 is SC2. End of story. The only thing that counts is if you have fun playing either. ^^
And you should play BW just to see how life was before smartcasting and intelligent pathfinding lol

edit - you made me think about WC3...Now i'm with some doubts: install or not install. That is the question.


I didn't really mean to say that one was better than the other. I 100% agree that they're totally different games and each of them should be enjoyed for what they are. I just wanted to mention that stuff like unit design from BW is something Blizz should keep in mind for SC2. If I'm able to take a unit and just play with it and think "this is cool", then it's well done. I don't think that when I use Colossus, for example :S

I also mentioned Hellions in the OP, but the new "form" they get in the HotS might change that Btw, there were a few unit designs that I feel have improved in SC2: stalkers, warp prism, ghosts...

<3 SC2 <3<3 Dota 2. Steam ID: HellS
dartoo
Profile Joined May 2010
India2889 Posts
February 12 2012 05:29 GMT
#14
^^ ghosts yes, but stalkers,no way mate. there is no blue goo, they actually go where you tell them to go(this might be good , I think though :p), and the worst of all, the shoot two light blue lines, that feel totally powerless.
deathray797
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
196 Posts
February 12 2012 08:36 GMT
#15
TL;DR: Same as the "Everyone should try BW" thread in the SC2 forum :/
(When I say that I mean both of them made the same final point, I don't mean that the entire post is the same)
Ydriel
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Italy516 Posts
February 12 2012 19:42 GMT
#16
On February 12 2012 17:36 deathray797 wrote:
TL;DR: Same as the "Everyone should try BW" thread in the SC2 forum :/
(When I say that I mean both of them made the same final point, I don't mean that the entire post is the same)

Hmm, I must have missed that thread :/ I didn't search before posting, since it was a blog, and I just felt like venting out about BW. Besides, it's only fair for people that have never played BW before to give it a chance, if only to put the game in retrospective (and maybe play through the awesome campaigns while they're at it xD).

Speaking of which, when I first played WC2, I had never played WC before, and eventually had a friend lending me his copy, just so I could play through the campaign for the story. Totally worth it.
<3 SC2 <3<3 Dota 2. Steam ID: HellS
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