New RPGs are Terrrible - Page 6

Teim

Australia373 Posts

January 30 2012 08:06 GMT

#101

New JRPGs are terrible I agree. But there are a lot of new WRPGs that have come out in the last few years that are very good.

The Witcher 1 and 2
Skyrim
Bastion
Deus Ex: Human Revolution
Fallout 3 and Fallout: New Vegas
Mass Effect 1 and 2
Dragon Age: Origins

Maybe not all of these will appeal to everyone. But at least one will.

mr_tolkien

France8631 Posts

January 30 2012 08:34 GMT

#102

You must not have played The World Ends With You or Disgae then.

PS : FF games have been terrible since the VIIth anyway, expect maybe the VIII.

fishuu

United States369 Posts

January 30 2012 09:07 GMT

#103

If you like quirky JRPGs, Okage is pretty damn excellent, never mind the really shoddy English translation. I can't say the story makes a lick of sense and the humor isn't for everyone, but it has great characters and it's a fun take/parody on the standard fantasy game that doesn't take itself too seriously. Plus you play a silent hero whose shadow is being controlled by a demon who calls himself Evil King Stan. This is awesome in my book.

On January 30 2012 12:01 Tasaio wrote:
As for newer games, I find the Tales of~ series good (they hardly change, though). Tales of Graces was good. I really liked FFXIII, it had a lack of towns, but a nice story and the best battle system I've seen in a long time. Also, the ending was a bit disappointing. I'm playing through FFXIII-2 at the moment.

One of my most favorite JRPG games ever is Persona 4 (and 3). If you haven't checked those out, I definitely recommend it.

But then again, aside from a few top titles (Final Fantasy, Chrono Trigger), I see more appeal in newer games, so my advice might not be for you.

Persona 3 and 4 are both solid and I love the writing in these games, provided I remember to turn my brain off once they hit the standard JRPG double plot twist. Only quibbles would be 1) they have some seriously painful dungeon-grinding, and the support characters in battles are both irritating as hell; and 2) because of the structure of the games, which combine a regular action RPG with a sort of dating sim game, it really draaaags sometimes while you're waiting for the plot to pick back up.

Oh, and the music to the original Persona 3 was kind of godawful, so glad they changed it up a bit for FES.

fOrQQ

Hong Kong321 Posts

January 30 2012 09:31 GMT

#104

Super Mario RPG not on the list

Hands down my favourite RPG of all time!
I also enjoyed Golden Sun 1 and 2 for GBA.
Persona 4 was great (music is amazing!)

If you've got a DS, give Devil Survivor a try! I must have played it through 4 or 5 times to get all the endings lol.

Brett

Australia3820 Posts

January 30 2012 09:57 GMT

#105

On January 30 2012 12:19 babylon wrote:

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On January 30 2012 12:06 Arkless wrote:

On January 30 2012 11:55 babylon wrote:

On January 30 2012 11:30 Arkless wrote:

On January 30 2012 10:48 babylon wrote:
FF7 is overrated. Protags were boring, antags were boring, graphics were bleh, music was bleh, storyline was shit -- though to be fair, most FF storylines are shit. Squeenix can't actually write any coherent stories. I've spent an obscene amount of time trying to convince myself to like FF7 more, but I just can't manage it.

FF8 is incoherent story-wise and somewhat incoherent character-wise, but all the characters are legitimately interesting when you sit down and look at them in the context of the environment they were raised in. They're basically all sociopathic/psychopathic kids. They left a lot of threads dangling though at the end and could've done more. So many interesting themes that were dropped halfway through. Junction system is lol once you learn how to abuse it.

I can't remember much about FF9 other than it was actually fun.

As for FFX, I am convinced it actually has the best-constructed FF story. You may think it's boring, but it's the one that doesn't give you as big a headache when you're trying to wrap your head around it after you've finished playing it. Whether or not you think the battle system is shit -- I liked it, but tbh, I've spent so long playing Pokemon that I didn't have any trouble with it -- the way the story's brought together is ... not great, but pretty damn good by Squeenix standards. It's a little more exploratory than the other games in the series, and I liked the thematic groundwork they laid out. Characters are pretty boring though but still probably the most consistently written characters in all the FF series up until then.

FF8's my favorite; it's also probably the one with the most failed potential out of all of them.

Best games on the PS1 are the Spyro games anyways. Gogogo, platformers.

FF7 , made by squareSOFT. Amazing protags and antags that led to many spin offs and a movie. The amazing storyline helped. For those who shit on FF7 i can't help but think you are either a) Of a much younger era then me (I was born in 1985)
OR B) You aren't smart enough to UNDERSTAND the story. That's different then a story being shit. The fact that you praise even a small amount of FF8 and shit on FF7, proves as such. You then go on to say how FFX is the best of them all??? Is that a troll? FF8/X are two of, if not THE worst of the final fantasies. It was trying so hard to BE final fantasy 7, Squall-Cloud ripoff, and Seifer(oth)?????Cmon son, at least be original

PS:for the time the FF7 graphics were revolutionary, if you're to young to remember it thats not my fault.

> You don't like what I like!
> Therefore, you're not smart enough to understand the story!

Logic'd, clearly.

1.) Quality does not --> sequels/spinoffs for video games. Popularity --> sequels/spinoffs. Sometimes quality and popularity go together; more often than not, they don't. Pokemon has had so many sequels I've lost count of what generation we're on these days.

2.) Lern 2 read. I didn't say FFX was the best; I said it was the best-constructed of them all. The plot was overly simplistic, but that simplicity allowed them to present it better without getting the entire game lost in its own plot, which has pretty much happened with almost every other FF game out there. Complex plots that are too complicated for their own good do not good games make; just look at ... most RPGs and compare them with, say, Shadow of the Colossus or Ico, which are pretty much works of art insofar as video games go.

3.) I don't even know how to address this one, but Seifer is in no way like Sephiroth. They're not even of the same character type, and they have completely different motivations. Unless you're suggesting that Sephiroth is primarily a gloryhound of near-Gilgamesh-proportions and perfectly sane and aware of what he's doing.

1) Disagree, if it wasn't a quality game to begin with. If it had no fan base, and was "total shit" as you say. They would never have pumped more into it to make sequels etc. The majority of the population is right, not you.

2) Best constructed story implies best of the ff's. Because rpg's are about the story 1st, game play second. I "lern" how to read in high school, where they apparently didn't teach you how to spell.

3) Seifer's mannerisms, clothing, look. 100% sephiroth ripoff with short ,blonde hair. Get over it.

1.) Twilight must be a work of literature, then. What makes something popular is how well it is received. Sometimes, it's the quality that people respond to; more often than not, though, people respond to what they find familiar, enjoyable, and cliche.

2.) No, it doesn't. You just decided to twist my words to try to support your point. Nice try though.

3.) Go ahead. Press the point. Tell me why Sephiroth did what he did in-game; I want to hear your breakdown of his character. We can compare notes and see exactly how different or similar those two characters are. It'd be a good critical thinking exercise.

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I started off making the point, "Just because I don't like it doesn't mean I'm too stupid to understand the story," actually. He started off with a personal attack, not an opinion about a game (which is what I started with, stating that I think FF7 is overrated). I responded, IMO, politely, given that he tried to call me an idiot.

Then I made a very general observation that popularity is what primarily determines sequels. Quality and popularity are correlated, but quality doesn't necessarily generate popularity, nor does popularity guarantee quality. Do you disagree with this point?

Yeah, I think I was reading one thing as I was typing and had a sort of cross-pollination of my thoughts that resulted in a sentence that didn't really apply. I banged it out at work and didn't proof-read it.

All I intended was basically to make the point that you appropriately pointed out that just because there is a difference in opinion, it does not necessarily follow that you're not smart enough to follow a story. But also, just because you disliked a certain game's characters, graphics, music, etc, it does not necessarily follow that the game is overrated. All that follows is that you have a particular opinion... I mean, I was surprised by your pokemon comment... Not because I like pokemon (it's definitely not my thing), but because those games are well generally well regarded by critics and fans alike. But hey, your opinion man.

Bottom line (for everyone, although you're one of those trying to be more foreceful with your opinions) - Everyone is allowed to like or dislike whatever the fuck they want. If someone proffers an opinion that indicates they don't share the same tastes as you, then feel free to simply disregard that opinion and any suggestions they might make about games worth playing; having read the thread, and many others like it, I know whose taste I personally trust.

I don't need to address your comments about the correlation or lack thereof between quality and popularity because it's completely irrelevant to the point I'm making.

Kukaracha

France1954 Posts

January 30 2012 10:58 GMT

#106

On January 30 2012 14:19 liberal wrote:

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This is where I decided that offering you good RPG's would be a waste of time. If you dismiss one of the greatest RPG's of all time as "overrated," your taste must be terrible.

By the way, just a thought.

Something cannot be overrated if people experienced it and enjoyed it.
Something is overrated when people respect it, sometimes even admire it, without actually having experienced it. When their respect comes from "what people say".

However, millions have played FFVII, enjoyed it, and considered it one of the best RPGs of all time. It is therefore not overrated, it's just that you have a different opinion.

TheYango

United States47024 Posts

January 30 2012 11:21 GMT

#107

On January 30 2012 17:06 Teim wrote:
New JRPGs are terrible I agree. But there are a lot of new WRPGs that have come out in the last few years that are very good.

The Witcher 1 and 2
Skyrim
Bastion
Deus Ex: Human Revolution
Fallout 3 and Fallout: New Vegas
Mass Effect 1 and 2
Dragon Age: Origins

Maybe not all of these will appeal to everyone. But at least one will.

Actually, most hardcore western RPG fans have very similar complaints about older western RPGs vs. modern ones that JRPG fans have about their genre.

Ninja_Bread

United States113 Posts

January 30 2012 12:12 GMT

#108

I disagree with the OP... :/ I like the new RPGs, although I didn't play many older ones. What about these older RPGs makes them a ton better? (I realize it obviously isn't graphics or anything like that O_o)

How would you feel about a company re-releasing an older RPG with better graphics as a throwback?

MrCon

France29748 Posts

January 30 2012 12:15 GMT

#109

I feel you OP, I did the exact same thing over the past years : I did all the RPG I missed on PS, PS2, SNES. And all the tacticals too.

atmuh

United States246 Posts

January 30 2012 12:49 GMT

#110

people keep mentioning certain games that i played so i added those to the op so that they stop suggesting them
ill go through this [incredibly amusing] thread at some point today and add some more games to my list

and yes bioware games are still awful

oh yeah and im up to the final battle with lavos in chrono trigger so ill probably be done with that tonight so i have to decide on what to play next
itll most likely be either earthbound or final fantasy tactics

atmuh

United States246 Posts

January 30 2012 13:19 GMT

#111

On January 30 2012 09:51 TheGiz wrote:
Final Fantasy X had a perfect battle and upgrade system and a lot of challenging battles in and out of the story. That absolutely deserves a mention. To be perfectly honest though I think FFXIII wasn't bad (not amazing) and I thought it slotted in well with the Final Fantasy feel. The only thing missing were towns. I grew to enjoy the battle system after a while and the art direction is superb. There were also some pretty hard battles;I still haven't beat Orphan, and motherfucking Barthandalus battles are nightmares. Comparing Barthandalus with Seymour the only Seymour battle I had trouble with was Seymour Flux. Barthandalus was difficult every time.

I can't say much about Bioware games because I've only played KOTOR, which was awesome. There was an intense thread on /v/ the other day talking about how deep and philosophical KOTOR 2 is, but I heard it's incomplete.

All I know is that you should stop being such a cynic and look at things with a like vs. don't like mentality a la Day[9]. Don't compare games to others, just evaluate them on their own merits. Skyrim, for example, is buggy, but it's a solid game otherwise. Notice how I don't have to go HURRR MORROWIND 4EVAR when playing the game. It's just like my idiot friends who write off Minecraft for the graphics when they don't realize the beauty and potential of the game.

Just learn to enjoy things for what they are.

i originally stopped reading this post after "Final Fantasy X had a perfect battle and upgrade system" but after reading the whole thing i had a really good laugh thanks 5/5

Stratos

Czech Republic6104 Posts

January 30 2012 15:05 GMT

#112

On January 30 2012 21:12 Ninja_Bread wrote:
I disagree with the OP... :/ I like the new RPGs, although I didn't play many older ones. What about these older RPGs makes them a ton better? (I realize it obviously isn't graphics or anything like that O_o)

How would you feel about a company re-releasing an older RPG with better graphics as a throwback?

Dunno about the OP, but this is my reason...

Auren

United States82 Posts

January 30 2012 15:53 GMT

#113

Since people are discussing rpgs, I suppose this is a convenient enough moment to ask if anyone can recommend me a game or two. I've recently been playing through The Last Remnant(which is sad considering I bought it when it came out) and it's one of those "the enemy scales up in level along with you" games. I'm curious if can anyone recommend a game similar to that which... isn't done poorly? Every time I play a game where the monsters scale with you it seems to inevitably lead to a point where you're kinda fucked because the monsters usually scale much, much better than your party members do. It ends up leading to a point where I feel like in order to play the game I need to in essence... not play the game because I'm encouraged to skip battles left and right instead of fighting them.

Grndr101

Belgium125 Posts

January 30 2012 17:27 GMT

#114

One game that never gets enough credit is FFX-2. Sure the story is a high-grade very airy cheese, but it's really fun to play. And after FFX it was a welcome surprise.

Something that's lost by newer RPG's is light-heartedness imo. All those new games take themselves too seriously (any FF come out lately), although some like Mass Effect have some leeway with that.

deathly rat

United Kingdom911 Posts

January 30 2012 17:58 GMT

#115

RPGs are essentially stories that you participate as on of the characters in. Even old RPGs had some good stories, but in order to really enjoy an RPG you have to allow yourself to get absorbed by the story and characters. I think it would be true to say that modern RPGs have sacrificed story for more action and improved user interface. I've never really got into JRPGs, but I have played a lot of what used to be called "adventure" games, that have had very good stories and characters.

Horrde

Canada302 Posts

January 30 2012 18:50 GMT

#116

On January 31 2012 00:53 Auren wrote:
Since people are discussing rpgs, I suppose this is a convenient enough moment to ask if anyone can recommend me a game or two. I've recently been playing through The Last Remnant(which is sad considering I bought it when it came out) and it's one of those "the enemy scales up in level along with you" games. I'm curious if can anyone recommend a game similar to that which... isn't done poorly? Every time I play a game where the monsters scale with you it seems to inevitably lead to a point where you're kinda fucked because the monsters usually scale much, much better than your party members do. It ends up leading to a point where I feel like in order to play the game I need to in essence... not play the game because I'm encouraged to skip battles left and right instead of fighting them.

Check this one out. It's rather new and in open-beta right now. It runs sort of like a diablo 1 concept. Definitely fun enough to melt away some hours... It's keeping me pre-occupied right now at least.

http://www.drakensang.com/

It can be played even in your browser and has a full-screen toggle. Stuff is always getting added, and the devs are always busy coding new features in.

Boblion

France8043 Posts

January 30 2012 18:54 GMT

#117

What a shame.

atmuh

United States246 Posts

January 30 2012 18:56 GMT

#118

On January 31 2012 03:50 Horrde wrote:

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a game thats designed to "melt away hours" isnt designed for you to have fun its designed to waste your time

SeRenExZerg

United States401 Posts

January 30 2012 19:40 GMT

#119

On January 31 2012 02:27 Grndr101 wrote:
One game that never gets enough credit is FFX-2. Sure the story is a high-grade very airy cheese, but it's really fun to play. And after FFX it was a welcome surprise.

Something that's lost by newer RPG's is light-heartedness imo. All those new games take themselves too seriously (any FF come out lately), although some like Mass Effect have some leeway with that.

i feel like most people who loved FFX were disappointed by FFX-2. Maybe i didn't give it enough of a chance...i guess what i was really looking for was a clone of FFX rofl. Super excited for FFXIII-2 tomorrow though :DDD

Horrde

Canada302 Posts

January 30 2012 19:42 GMT

#120

On January 31 2012 03:56 atmuh wrote:

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a game thats designed to "melt away hours" isnt designed for you to have fun its designed to waste your time

????? It's a video game. If you're going to be pessimistic, then get the hell out of here, because I don't care for it.

What the hell are you doing on a video game forum if this is your mindset? Really, gtfo with that garbage. Fucking hilarious, thanks for a good laugh.

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