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On January 31 2012 04:42 Horrde wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 03:56 atmuh wrote:On January 31 2012 03:50 Horrde wrote:On January 31 2012 00:53 Auren wrote:
Since people are discussing rpgs, I suppose this is a convenient enough moment to ask if anyone can recommend me a game or two. I've recently been playing through The Last Remnant(which is sad considering I bought it when it came out) and it's one of those "the enemy scales up in level along with you" games. I'm curious if can anyone recommend a game similar to that which... isn't done poorly? Every time I play a game where the monsters scale with you it seems to inevitably lead to a point where you're kinda fucked because the monsters usually scale much, much better than your party members do. It ends up leading to a point where I feel like in order to play the game I need to in essence... not play the game because I'm encouraged to skip battles left and right instead of fighting them. Check this one out. It's rather new and in open-beta right now. It runs sort of like a diablo 1 concept. Definitely fun enough to melt away some hours... It's keeping me pre-occupied right now at least. http://www.drakensang.com/It can be played even in your browser and has a full-screen toggle. Stuff is always getting added, and the devs are always busy coding new features in. a game thats designed to "melt away hours" isnt designed for you to have fun its designed to waste your time ????? It's a video game. If you're going to be pessimistic, then get the hell out of here, because I don't care for it. What the hell are you doing on a video game forum if this is your mindset? Really, gtfo with that garbage. Fucking hilarious, thanks for a good laugh.
what?
those free mmo w/e games are intentionally designed in such a way that you lose track of time doing menial tasks over and over
theyre designed so that you waste countless hours grinding towards a goal that ends up being not all that interesting but makes the next goal that requires a lot more grinding look even more desirable
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On January 31 2012 04:42 Horrde wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 03:56 atmuh wrote:On January 31 2012 03:50 Horrde wrote:On January 31 2012 00:53 Auren wrote:
Since people are discussing rpgs, I suppose this is a convenient enough moment to ask if anyone can recommend me a game or two. I've recently been playing through The Last Remnant(which is sad considering I bought it when it came out) and it's one of those "the enemy scales up in level along with you" games. I'm curious if can anyone recommend a game similar to that which... isn't done poorly? Every time I play a game where the monsters scale with you it seems to inevitably lead to a point where you're kinda fucked because the monsters usually scale much, much better than your party members do. It ends up leading to a point where I feel like in order to play the game I need to in essence... not play the game because I'm encouraged to skip battles left and right instead of fighting them. Check this one out. It's rather new and in open-beta right now. It runs sort of like a diablo 1 concept. Definitely fun enough to melt away some hours... It's keeping me pre-occupied right now at least. http://www.drakensang.com/It can be played even in your browser and has a full-screen toggle. Stuff is always getting added, and the devs are always busy coding new features in. a game thats designed to "melt away hours" isnt designed for you to have fun its designed to waste your time ????? It's a video game. If you're going to be pessimistic, then get the hell out of here, because I don't care for it. What the hell are you doing on a video game forum if this is your mindset? Really, gtfo with that garbage. Fucking hilarious, thanks for a good laugh.
Wow calm down, you sound like a fanatic...
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Why are the Shining Force games not on your list? What a travesty.
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And what's the final goal in d2 or d3? Grinding for loot and gear to deck out a char for whatever reason? Level Cap? Beating hell? PvP, PvE??
I don't know what you expect... From saying it's a waste of time, it's only fair I can assume you have time to waste. It's a simple recommendation. If you're biased towards something you've never played, great, then move on. Don't shit on something you've never tried. A close minded opinion should be kept to yourself. People can click the link and decide then if they want to play or not. I don't even give a shit if anyone plays it or not.
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On January 31 2012 04:54 Kukaracha wrote:
Wow calm down, you sound like a fanatic...
Yeah... that's it...
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ive tried my fair share of free and paid mmos
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On January 30 2012 18:57 Brett wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 12:19 babylon wrote:On January 30 2012 12:06 Arkless wrote:On January 30 2012 11:55 babylon wrote:On January 30 2012 11:30 Arkless wrote:On January 30 2012 10:48 babylon wrote:
FF7 is overrated. Protags were boring, antags were boring, graphics were bleh, music was bleh, storyline was shit -- though to be fair, most FF storylines are shit. Squeenix can't actually write any coherent stories. I've spent an obscene amount of time trying to convince myself to like FF7 more, but I just can't manage it.
FF8 is incoherent story-wise and somewhat incoherent character-wise, but all the characters are legitimately interesting when you sit down and look at them in the context of the environment they were raised in. They're basically all sociopathic/psychopathic kids. They left a lot of threads dangling though at the end and could've done more. So many interesting themes that were dropped halfway through. Junction system is lol once you learn how to abuse it.
I can't remember much about FF9 other than it was actually fun.
As for FFX, I am convinced it actually has the best-constructed FF story. You may think it's boring, but it's the one that doesn't give you as big a headache when you're trying to wrap your head around it after you've finished playing it. Whether or not you think the battle system is shit -- I liked it, but tbh, I've spent so long playing Pokemon that I didn't have any trouble with it -- the way the story's brought together is ... not great, but pretty damn good by Squeenix standards. It's a little more exploratory than the other games in the series, and I liked the thematic groundwork they laid out. Characters are pretty boring though but still probably the most consistently written characters in all the FF series up until then.
FF8's my favorite; it's also probably the one with the most failed potential out of all of them.
Best games on the PS1 are the Spyro games anyways. Gogogo, platformers. FF7 , made by squareSOFT. Amazing protags and antags that led to many spin offs and a movie. The amazing storyline helped. For those who shit on FF7 i can't help but think you are either a) Of a much younger era then me (I was born in 1985) OR B) You aren't smart enough to UNDERSTAND the story. That's different then a story being shit. The fact that you praise even a small amount of FF8 and shit on FF7, proves as such. You then go on to say how FFX is the best of them all??? Is that a troll? FF8/X are two of, if not THE worst of the final fantasies. It was trying so hard to BE final fantasy 7, Squall-Cloud ripoff, and Seifer(oth)?????Cmon son, at least be original PS:for the time the FF7 graphics were revolutionary, if you're to young to remember it thats not my fault. > You don't like what I like! > Therefore, you're not smart enough to understand the story! Logic'd, clearly. 1.) Quality does not --> sequels/spinoffs for video games. Popularity --> sequels/spinoffs. Sometimes quality and popularity go together; more often than not, they don't. Pokemon has had so many sequels I've lost count of what generation we're on these days. 2.) Lern 2 read. I didn't say FFX was the best; I said it was the best- constructed of them all. The plot was overly simplistic, but that simplicity allowed them to present it better without getting the entire game lost in its own plot, which has pretty much happened with almost every other FF game out there. Complex plots that are too complicated for their own good do not good games make; just look at ... most RPGs and compare them with, say, Shadow of the Colossus or Ico, which are pretty much works of art insofar as video games go. 3.) I don't even know how to address this one, but Seifer is in no way like Sephiroth. They're not even of the same character type, and they have completely different motivations. Unless you're suggesting that Sephiroth is primarily a gloryhound of near-Gilgamesh-proportions and perfectly sane and aware of what he's doing. 1) Disagree, if it wasn't a quality game to begin with. If it had no fan base, and was "total shit" as you say. They would never have pumped more into it to make sequels etc. The majority of the population is right, not you. 2) Best constructed story implies best of the ff's. Because rpg's are about the story 1st, game play second. I "lern" how to read in high school, where they apparently didn't teach you how to spell. 3) Seifer's mannerisms, clothing, look. 100% sephiroth ripoff with short ,blonde hair. Get over it. 1.) Twilight must be a work of literature, then. What makes something popular is how well it is received. Sometimes, it's the quality that people respond to; more often than not, though, people respond to what they find familiar, enjoyable, and cliche. 2.) No, it doesn't. You just decided to twist my words to try to support your point. Nice try though. 3.) Go ahead. Press the point. Tell me why Sephiroth did what he did in-game; I want to hear your breakdown of his character. We can compare notes and see exactly how different or similar those two characters are. It'd be a good critical thinking exercise. On January 30 2012 12:09 Brett wrote:1.) Quality does not --> sequels/spinoffs for video games. Popularity --> sequels/spinoffs. Sometimes quality and popularity go together; more often than not, they don't. Pokemon has had so many sequels I've lost count of what generation we're on these days. You start off by making the point that 'just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it's bad' then essentially do the same thing yourself in the above quote... You're just another opinion on the Internet, buddy. Either stop speaking with an air of authority, or don't be surprised when anyone else does the same... Nobody is right or wrong here... Like whatever the fuck you want to like people... I started off making the point, "Just because I don't like it doesn't mean I'm too stupid to understand the story," actually. He started off with a personal attack, not an opinion about a game (which is what I started with, stating that I think FF7 is overrated). I responded, IMO, politely, given that he tried to call me an idiot. Then I made a very general observation that popularity is what primarily determines sequels. Quality and popularity are correlated, but quality doesn't necessarily generate popularity, nor does popularity guarantee quality. Do you disagree with this point? Yeah, I think I was reading one thing as I was typing and had a sort of cross-pollination of my thoughts that resulted in a sentence that didn't really apply. I banged it out at work and didn't proof-read it. All I intended was basically to make the point that you appropriately pointed out that just because there is a difference in opinion, it does not necessarily follow that you're not smart enough to follow a story. But also, just because you disliked a certain game's characters, graphics, music, etc, it does not necessarily follow that the game is overrated. All that follows is that you have a particular opinion... I mean, I was surprised by your pokemon comment... Not because I like pokemon (it's definitely not my thing), but because those games are well generally well regarded by critics and fans alike. But hey, your opinion man. Bottom line (for everyone, although you're one of those trying to be more foreceful with your opinions) - Everyone is allowed to like or dislike whatever the fuck they want. If someone proffers an opinion that indicates they don't share the same tastes as you, then feel free to simply disregard that opinion and any suggestions they might make about games worth playing; having read the thread, and many others like it, I know whose taste I personally trust. I don't need to address your comments about the correlation or lack thereof between quality and popularity because it's completely irrelevant to the point I'm making.
My criticizing a game (or anything else, including films, books, etc.) does not necessarily mean I intensely dislike what I'm criticizing. I actually love the fuck out of Pokemon; I just think, stepping outside of the game and looking at it, it's nothing all that amazing -- and therefore, I consider it overrated to myself and whoever else wants to listen to me word-vomit on the topic. "Overrated" necessarily implies a comparison of everyone else's opinion with my own. Whether or not that means my opinion is the "right" one is another matter altogether. (Though I do think it's healthy to be able to look at games/books/films you like and to be able to lay out both the pros and cons and to explain why you like what you like.)
Insofar as FF7 goes, I don't actively dislike it, but I am rather indifferent towards it than any of the other FF games I've played. If you'd like me to discuss it with you in more detail, feel free to PM me. You seem more reasonable than "I worked as an NYPD sketch artist, they have the same features, therefore they're the same character!!11!"
If you're wondering why I was forceful with my opinion, three reasons: a.) stress due to midterm week (lolol), b.) the repeated personal attacks, and c.) the fact that he said something that didn't even make sense (i.e. the Seifer = Sephiroth comment). If he'd picked on FF8's numerous plotholes or Squall's inconsistent characterization, I'd have been perfectly fine to let that rest, but he used the worst example he could by trying to compare Seifer and Sephiroth. If he'd left it at "Squall is much too similar to Cloud," (a point he made that I didn't contest), I probably would've let that go, because they are based off the same character type so prevalent in JRPG -- namely, stoic emo pretty-boy heroes. Sadly, he didn't, and then he refused to back up his point beyond stating that they have the same facial structure.
Different opinions I am fine with; OP thinks FFX is horrendous, and I don't care to contest that, because he didn't state anything that could be considered absurdly inaccurate. However, an inaccurate statement about two very different characters made by a person who decides to personally attack you for lack of understanding, and then refuses to back up his point beyond "they look similar" and "if you can't see how they're the same, lololol" ... well, that is a little more irritating, you understand. (Especially when I actually did go through the game transcript to pick out details to support my points, while he just sat down and said, "Oh, do you expect me to know off the top of my head?" No, I don't, do some fucking research. Waste of effort.)
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Final Fantasy IX
BEST FF EVER!
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On January 31 2012 06:00 Arterial wrote:
Final Fantasy IX
BEST FF EVER!
WINNER!
Everything about FFIX is near and dear to my heart. For starters, it borrows elements from the previous Final Fantasy games as a means of returning to the old style in the face of the newer direction that the games were taking (VII, VIII). The art direction was meant to invoke a feeling of whimsy and fantasy that the gritty last two installments of the game had utterly lost. I believe it delivered on that fantastically.
The musical score of the game was utterly fantastic, and Nobuo Uematsu considers it his greatest achievement. He toured castles in Europe just to get a sense of the kind of feeling that he wanted the music in the game to invoke.
The characters and story in the game are also well done. You somehow manage to feel for everybody by the end of the game. It can be said that some of the characters don't get a whole lot of development (Amarant and Quina), but hell the game's long enough and they are not essential to the story. Zidane is one of my favorite characters, and he really only whines once after his entire existence is turned upside down. The story is also complex without being completely incomprehensible (in short: Terra eats worlds). The twist at the end is also not quite from nowhere: if you look up the game the twist is apparently foreshadowed.
The gameplay is also solid as far as Final Fantasies go. The ATB system works as it should and the method of learning abilities isn't too difficult, but is still complex enough that you can choose which abilities you have equipped in order optimize your characters for upcoming battles. Many points in the game are capable of delivering that "Nintendo Hard" feel, like Ozma, the very final boss, the mini-games (Tetra Master!), and the challenge of getting Excalibur II, which requires you beat nearly the whole game in 12 hours, meaning you have to open the disc cover in order to skip cutscenes.
Not perfect, but boy do I love it so.
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On January 31 2012 00:05 Stratos wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 21:12 Ninja_Bread wrote:
I disagree with the OP... :/ I like the new RPGs, although I didn't play many older ones. What about these older RPGs makes them a ton better? (I realize it obviously isn't graphics or anything like that O_o)
How would you feel about a company re-releasing an older RPG with better graphics as a throwback? Dunno about the OP, but this is my reason... ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/JV9rg.jpg)
DA2 is awful, but at least it offers some choices. (looking at you J"RP"Gs -_-)
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The title of this blog really speaks to me, lol.
As for the lists, I think they're pretty complete for those two systems. You could play DQ5 and DQ6 on the SNES if you wanted to emulate and use a translated ROM, but if you're going to play them at this point you'll probably get a better experience playing their DS remakes. Handheld systems are definitely where it's at these days if you want games like those in the OP, even though a lot of it is recycled content.
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JRPGs aren't even RPGs.
Not to say they're all bad, but almost every game on the list in the OP is a JRPG and it offends my RPG sensibilities 
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the hate for bioware.. I can agree on the mass effect, didn't like it at all but, NWN is one of my faves..
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I fully agree with you about 16bit/32bit-era RPG's being the best =) And while you have a great list there already, here are some further recommendations.
SNES:
Bahamut Lagoon
Live A Live
Rudra no Hihou (Treasure of the Rudras)
Star Ocean
The first three here are by Squaresoft, the last one is (ofc) the first game in the somewhat famous series. None of the games were released in the west, but all have been, properly, fan-translated.
PSX:
Alundra
Final Fantasy Tactics
Grandia
SaGa Frontier
SaGa Frontier II
Threads of Fate
Again, all of these apart from Alundra and Grandia are Squaresoft games. And FFT is a turn based strategy game, similar to the Tactics Ogre series, but it's very good and has a strong storyline.
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On January 31 2012 08:41 Gann1 wrote:JRPGs aren't even RPGs. Not to say they're all bad, but almost every game on the list in the OP is a JRPG and it offends my RPG sensibilities
this post hurts my brain
anyways i finally finished chrono trigger tonight
ill probably play final fantasy tactics next starting in a couple days
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On February 02 2012 13:09 atmuh wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 08:41 Gann1 wrote:JRPGs aren't even RPGs. Not to say they're all bad, but almost every game on the list in the OP is a JRPG and it offends my RPG sensibilities this post hurts my brain anyways i finally finished chrono trigger tonight ill probably play final fantasy tactics next starting in a couple days
good ol' FF Tactics, to me its better than most games from the main series.
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