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snes rpgs are the best..
add these to your list:
Super Mario RPG
Lagoon
(im a sucker for the ultima series)
Ultima 6: The False Prophet
Ultima 7: The Black Gate
Ultima: Runes of Virtue 2
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new games are just terrible in general, from 2006 onwards companies saw how much money the casual market could yield for them so they started to produce simple and shitty products for the brainless masses to munch on, though good games still get produced but there's just less of them now.
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The Tales of~ games are mostly awesome
Persona 2-4 are a cool change of pace from norm
SMT Digital Devil Saga I just started and they seem pretty promising, much darker than Final Fantasy and Co.
But honestly you got the right idea Chrono Trigger is the grand-daddy of RPG's, if I had one wish I wouldn't wish for money or fame I would wish to go back to when Chrono Trigger first came out and I could play it through again like it was the first time.
EDIT: Also my advice avoid BoF IV stop at III for best gaming experience, IV is just very bleh when compared to the others
HAPPY GAMING SIR!
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On January 30 2012 11:31 Kukaracha wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 10:27 atmuh wrote:
just because someone doesnt like new stuff (which in fact is trash) doesnt make them a hipster buddy
i played mass effect for like 2 hours and couldnt take the ridiculous amount of dialogue that the game wanted to shove down your through and expect you to enjoy, and thats the same of every bioware rpg
old rpgs were good because they didnt take themselves ridiculously seriously Huh Bioware is pretty oldschool brah, it's just a genre, RPGs are whatever their creators want them to be... I like stories, I like books, I like Bioware! Simple.
Every time I play a Bioware game, it always bothers me after the first 2 hours that the characters are all recycled from Baldur's Gate 2.
Anomen = Carth = Kaiden = Alistair
Imoen = Mission = Leliana
Korgan = Canderous
Viconia = Morrigan
etc.
Sure the plot is fresh, but oh my fucking god does David Gaider not know how to write new and engaging characters.
There's also the ever-present "fake Bioware choices"--where different dialogue options that seemingly present choices result in the same actual outcome (this occurs to varying degrees in different games--it's worst in Mass Effect, where if you run through a given conversation, selecting seemingly different dialogue choices actually results in Shepard saying the exact same lines every time regardless), but that only becomes bothersome if you're actually paying attention to it, or if you play through the game multiple times.
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Just got to say dude I fucking loved tales of symphonia such a good game. Its where my name came from :D
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On January 30 2012 12:06 Arkless wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 11:55 babylon wrote:On January 30 2012 11:30 Arkless wrote:On January 30 2012 10:48 babylon wrote:
FF7 is overrated. Protags were boring, antags were boring, graphics were bleh, music was bleh, storyline was shit -- though to be fair, most FF storylines are shit. Squeenix can't actually write any coherent stories. I've spent an obscene amount of time trying to convince myself to like FF7 more, but I just can't manage it.
FF8 is incoherent story-wise and somewhat incoherent character-wise, but all the characters are legitimately interesting when you sit down and look at them in the context of the environment they were raised in. They're basically all sociopathic/psychopathic kids. They left a lot of threads dangling though at the end and could've done more. So many interesting themes that were dropped halfway through. Junction system is lol once you learn how to abuse it.
I can't remember much about FF9 other than it was actually fun.
As for FFX, I am convinced it actually has the best-constructed FF story. You may think it's boring, but it's the one that doesn't give you as big a headache when you're trying to wrap your head around it after you've finished playing it. Whether or not you think the battle system is shit -- I liked it, but tbh, I've spent so long playing Pokemon that I didn't have any trouble with it -- the way the story's brought together is ... not great, but pretty damn good by Squeenix standards. It's a little more exploratory than the other games in the series, and I liked the thematic groundwork they laid out. Characters are pretty boring though but still probably the most consistently written characters in all the FF series up until then.
FF8's my favorite; it's also probably the one with the most failed potential out of all of them.
Best games on the PS1 are the Spyro games anyways. Gogogo, platformers. FF7 , made by squareSOFT. Amazing protags and antags that led to many spin offs and a movie. The amazing storyline helped. For those who shit on FF7 i can't help but think you are either a) Of a much younger era then me (I was born in 1985) OR B) You aren't smart enough to UNDERSTAND the story. That's different then a story being shit. The fact that you praise even a small amount of FF8 and shit on FF7, proves as such. You then go on to say how FFX is the best of them all??? Is that a troll? FF8/X are two of, if not THE worst of the final fantasies. It was trying so hard to BE final fantasy 7, Squall-Cloud ripoff, and Seifer(oth)?????Cmon son, at least be original PS:for the time the FF7 graphics were revolutionary, if you're to young to remember it thats not my fault. > You don't like what I like! > Therefore, you're not smart enough to understand the story! Logic'd, clearly. 1.) Quality does not --> sequels/spinoffs for video games. Popularity --> sequels/spinoffs. Sometimes quality and popularity go together; more often than not, they don't. Pokemon has had so many sequels I've lost count of what generation we're on these days. 2.) Lern 2 read. I didn't say FFX was the best; I said it was the best- constructed of them all. The plot was overly simplistic, but that simplicity allowed them to present it better without getting the entire game lost in its own plot, which has pretty much happened with almost every other FF game out there. Complex plots that are too complicated for their own good do not good games make; just look at ... most RPGs and compare them with, say, Shadow of the Colossus or Ico, which are pretty much works of art insofar as video games go. 3.) I don't even know how to address this one, but Seifer is in no way like Sephiroth. They're not even of the same character type, and they have completely different motivations. Unless you're suggesting that Sephiroth is primarily a gloryhound of near-Gilgamesh-proportions and perfectly sane and aware of what he's doing. 1) Disagree, if it wasn't a quality game to begin with. If it had no fan base, and was "total shit" as you say. They would never have pumped more into it to make sequels etc. The majority of the population is right, not you. 2) Best constructed story implies best of the ff's. Because rpg's are about the story 1st, game play second. I "lern" how to read in high school, where they apparently didn't teach you how to spell. 3) Seifer's mannerisms, clothing, look. 100% sephiroth ripoff with short ,blonde hair. Get over it.
1.) Twilight must be a work of literature, then. What makes something popular is how well it is received. Sometimes, it's the quality that people respond to; more often than not, though, people respond to what they find familiar, enjoyable, and cliche.
2.) No, it doesn't. You just decided to twist my words to try to support your point. Nice try though.
3.) Go ahead. Press the point. Tell me why Sephiroth did what he did in-game; I want to hear your breakdown of his character. We can compare notes and see exactly how different or similar those two characters are. It'd be a good critical thinking exercise.
On January 30 2012 12:09 Brett wrote:Show nested quote +1.) Quality does not --> sequels/spinoffs for video games. Popularity --> sequels/spinoffs. Sometimes quality and popularity go together; more often than not, they don't. Pokemon has had so many sequels I've lost count of what generation we're on these days. You start off by making the point that 'just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it's bad' then essentially do the same thing yourself in the above quote... You're just another opinion on the Internet, buddy. Either stop speaking with an air of authority, or don't be surprised when anyone else does the same... Nobody is right or wrong here... Like whatever the fuck you want to like people...
I started off making the point, "Just because I don't like it doesn't mean I'm too stupid to understand the story," actually. He started off with a personal attack, not an opinion about a game (which is what I started with, stating that I think FF7 is overrated). I responded, IMO, politely, given that he tried to call me an idiot.
Then I made a very general observation that popularity is what primarily determines sequels. Quality and popularity are correlated, but quality doesn't necessarily generate popularity, nor does popularity guarantee quality. Do you disagree with this point?
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Man, how about Illusion of Gaia. I loved that game, hardcore nostalgia moment inc
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On January 30 2012 12:19 babylon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 12:06 Arkless wrote:On January 30 2012 11:55 babylon wrote:On January 30 2012 11:30 Arkless wrote:On January 30 2012 10:48 babylon wrote:
FF7 is overrated. Protags were boring, antags were boring, graphics were bleh, music was bleh, storyline was shit -- though to be fair, most FF storylines are shit. Squeenix can't actually write any coherent stories. I've spent an obscene amount of time trying to convince myself to like FF7 more, but I just can't manage it.
FF8 is incoherent story-wise and somewhat incoherent character-wise, but all the characters are legitimately interesting when you sit down and look at them in the context of the environment they were raised in. They're basically all sociopathic/psychopathic kids. They left a lot of threads dangling though at the end and could've done more. So many interesting themes that were dropped halfway through. Junction system is lol once you learn how to abuse it.
I can't remember much about FF9 other than it was actually fun.
As for FFX, I am convinced it actually has the best-constructed FF story. You may think it's boring, but it's the one that doesn't give you as big a headache when you're trying to wrap your head around it after you've finished playing it. Whether or not you think the battle system is shit -- I liked it, but tbh, I've spent so long playing Pokemon that I didn't have any trouble with it -- the way the story's brought together is ... not great, but pretty damn good by Squeenix standards. It's a little more exploratory than the other games in the series, and I liked the thematic groundwork they laid out. Characters are pretty boring though but still probably the most consistently written characters in all the FF series up until then.
FF8's my favorite; it's also probably the one with the most failed potential out of all of them.
Best games on the PS1 are the Spyro games anyways. Gogogo, platformers. FF7 , made by squareSOFT. Amazing protags and antags that led to many spin offs and a movie. The amazing storyline helped. For those who shit on FF7 i can't help but think you are either a) Of a much younger era then me (I was born in 1985) OR B) You aren't smart enough to UNDERSTAND the story. That's different then a story being shit. The fact that you praise even a small amount of FF8 and shit on FF7, proves as such. You then go on to say how FFX is the best of them all??? Is that a troll? FF8/X are two of, if not THE worst of the final fantasies. It was trying so hard to BE final fantasy 7, Squall-Cloud ripoff, and Seifer(oth)?????Cmon son, at least be original PS:for the time the FF7 graphics were revolutionary, if you're to young to remember it thats not my fault. > You don't like what I like! > Therefore, you're not smart enough to understand the story! Logic'd, clearly. 1.) Quality does not --> sequels/spinoffs for video games. Popularity --> sequels/spinoffs. Sometimes quality and popularity go together; more often than not, they don't. Pokemon has had so many sequels I've lost count of what generation we're on these days. 2.) Lern 2 read. I didn't say FFX was the best; I said it was the best- constructed of them all. The plot was overly simplistic, but that simplicity allowed them to present it better without getting the entire game lost in its own plot, which has pretty much happened with almost every other FF game out there. Complex plots that are too complicated for their own good do not good games make; just look at ... most RPGs and compare them with, say, Shadow of the Colossus or Ico, which are pretty much works of art insofar as video games go. 3.) I don't even know how to address this one, but Seifer is in no way like Sephiroth. They're not even of the same character type, and they have completely different motivations. Unless you're suggesting that Sephiroth is primarily a gloryhound of near-Gilgamesh-proportions and perfectly sane and aware of what he's doing. 1) Disagree, if it wasn't a quality game to begin with. If it had no fan base, and was "total shit" as you say. They would never have pumped more into it to make sequels etc. The majority of the population is right, not you. 2) Best constructed story implies best of the ff's. Because rpg's are about the story 1st, game play second. I "lern" how to read in high school, where they apparently didn't teach you how to spell. 3) Seifer's mannerisms, clothing, look. 100% sephiroth ripoff with short ,blonde hair. Get over it. 1.) Twilight must be a work of literature, then. What makes something popular is how well it is received. Sometimes, it's the quality that people respond to; more often than not, though, people respond to what they find familiar, enjoyable, and cliche. 2.) No, it doesn't. You just decided to twist my words to try to support your point. Nice try though. 3.) Go ahead. Press the point. Tell me why Sephiroth did what he did in-game; I want to hear your breakdown of his character. We can compare notes and see exactly how different or similar those two characters are. It'd be a good critical thinking exercise. Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 12:09 Brett wrote:1.) Quality does not --> sequels/spinoffs for video games. Popularity --> sequels/spinoffs. Sometimes quality and popularity go together; more often than not, they don't. Pokemon has had so many sequels I've lost count of what generation we're on these days. You start off by making the point that 'just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it's bad' then essentially do the same thing yourself in the above quote... You're just another opinion on the Internet, buddy. Either stop speaking with an air of authority, or don't be surprised when anyone else does the same... Nobody is right or wrong here... Like whatever the fuck you want to like people... I started off making the point, "Just because I don't like it doesn't mean I'm too stupid to understand the story," actually. He started off with a personal attack, not an opinion about a game (which is what I started with, stating that I think FF7 is overrated). I responded, IMO, politely, given that he tried to call me an idiot. Then I made a very general observation that popularity is what primarily determines sequels. Quality and popularity are correlated, but quality doesn't necessarily generate popularity, nor does popularity guarantee quality. Do you disagree with this point?
Further proof
I have spent many years as a sketch artist for the NYPD
Seifer-oth
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1)Well, just because YOU DON'T LIKE IT. And neither do I for that matter, but yes. The twighlight series are well written books that appeal to a certain demographic, the problem here is that You're right no matter what and everyone else is wrong.
2) Yes it does, your words had to be twisted otherwise are incorrect. Once again though, You're right. Everyone else is wrong.
3) If you can't see how seifer is a complete rip off of sephiroth then i dont know what to tell you. Asking me to tell you what sephiroth did in one area of the game, is like asking to have the bible summed up in one sentence. GG/No re, sorry man. You're of the extreme minority.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=234357
Feel free to scroll through those 28 pages and argue with the other people who are of the same mindset as me. Notice where FF8 is on the list? Hmmmmmmmm, your 1 vote must count for like 2 thousand I guess right?
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the twilight books are fucking terrible
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On January 30 2012 12:24 Sultan.P wrote:
Man, how about Illusion of Gaia. I loved that game, hardcore nostalgia moment inc
I thought Soul Blazer and Terranigma were stronger games, but I did love the dungeon designs of IoG (Angkor Wat!)
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On January 30 2012 12:26 Arkless wrote:
1)Well, just because YOU DON'T LIKE IT. And neither do I for that matter, but yes. The twighlight series are well written books that appeal to a certain demographic, the problem here is that You're right no matter what and everyone else is wrong.
This is off the topic of this blog, but the Twilight books are not well written, independent of any preference for or against the subject matter. You could swap the character genders, change the setting, or replace the vampires with sexy space aliens, and the writing would still be awful.
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On January 30 2012 12:35 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 12:26 Arkless wrote:
1)Well, just because YOU DON'T LIKE IT. And neither do I for that matter, but yes. The twighlight series are well written books that appeal to a certain demographic, the problem here is that You're right no matter what and everyone else is wrong.
This is off the topic of this blog, but the Twilight books are not well written, independent of any preference for or against the subject matter. You could swap the character genders, change the setting, or replace the vampires with sexy space aliens, and the writing would still be awful.
I don't like the twighlight series.Never read them and don't plan on it. With that said, no you are wrong. If it was incohherent, had no beggining middle or end. And made 0 sense, a publishing company wouldn't have picked it up and made millions off of it. It's that simple, you can't argue with numbers.
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On January 30 2012 12:30 setzer wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 12:24 Sultan.P wrote:
Man, how about Illusion of Gaia. I loved that game, hardcore nostalgia moment inc I thought Soul Blazer and Terranigma were stronger games, but I did love the dungeon designs of IoG (Angkor Wat!)
ive already played soul blazer and illusion of gaia and i loved them both
soul blazer is one of my top 5 games ever hands down
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On January 30 2012 12:38 Arkless wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 12:35 TheYango wrote:On January 30 2012 12:26 Arkless wrote:
1)Well, just because YOU DON'T LIKE IT. And neither do I for that matter, but yes. The twighlight series are well written books that appeal to a certain demographic, the problem here is that You're right no matter what and everyone else is wrong.
This is off the topic of this blog, but the Twilight books are not well written, independent of any preference for or against the subject matter. You could swap the character genders, change the setting, or replace the vampires with sexy space aliens, and the writing would still be awful. I don't like the twighlight series.Never read them and don't plan on it. With that said, no you are wrong. If it was incohherent, had no beggining middle or end. And made 0 sense, a publishing company wouldn't have picked it up and made millions off of it. It's that simple, you can't argue with numbers.
So if the only way to judge whether a piece of art or writing is good is by the numbers, then how have, for generations now, people like literature professors, movie/art/music critics, etc. made a living?...people whose express profession is to critically analyze and judge the quality of art/writing based on their inherent qualities and NOT simply their popularity, which anyone could look up the statistics for.
Shit that's popular is still shit. If that wasn't true, then people would never be able to make a living off of telling people what's shit and what isn't, because everyone would know based on what's popular and what isn't.
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DRAGON QUEST VIII BEST GAME EVAR!!
really though, that was my favorite ps2 rpg.
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I've actually been wondering if there are any good RPGs for the PS3. I had FFXIII but that was really bad.
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On January 30 2012 12:46 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 12:38 Arkless wrote:On January 30 2012 12:35 TheYango wrote:On January 30 2012 12:26 Arkless wrote:
1)Well, just because YOU DON'T LIKE IT. And neither do I for that matter, but yes. The twighlight series are well written books that appeal to a certain demographic, the problem here is that You're right no matter what and everyone else is wrong.
This is off the topic of this blog, but the Twilight books are not well written, independent of any preference for or against the subject matter. You could swap the character genders, change the setting, or replace the vampires with sexy space aliens, and the writing would still be awful. I don't like the twighlight series.Never read them and don't plan on it. With that said, no you are wrong. If it was incohherent, had no beggining middle or end. And made 0 sense, a publishing company wouldn't have picked it up and made millions off of it. It's that simple, you can't argue with numbers. So if the only way to judge whether a piece of art or writing is good is by the numbers, then how have, for generations now, people like literature professors, movie/art/music critics, etc. made a living?...people whose express profession is to critically analyze and judge the quality of art/writing based on their inherent qualities and NOT simply their popularity, which anyone could look up the statistics for. Shit that's popular is still shit. If that wasn't true, then people would never be able to make a living off of telling people what's shit and what isn't, because everyone would know based on what's popular and what isn't.
Ok, so regardless. All the awards it has won, all the millions of copies it's sold. Make it shit? Show me all these highly regarded people saying it's a terrible piece of writing then please.
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On January 30 2012 12:26 Arkless wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 12:19 babylon wrote:On January 30 2012 12:06 Arkless wrote:On January 30 2012 11:55 babylon wrote:On January 30 2012 11:30 Arkless wrote:On January 30 2012 10:48 babylon wrote:
FF7 is overrated. Protags were boring, antags were boring, graphics were bleh, music was bleh, storyline was shit -- though to be fair, most FF storylines are shit. Squeenix can't actually write any coherent stories. I've spent an obscene amount of time trying to convince myself to like FF7 more, but I just can't manage it.
FF8 is incoherent story-wise and somewhat incoherent character-wise, but all the characters are legitimately interesting when you sit down and look at them in the context of the environment they were raised in. They're basically all sociopathic/psychopathic kids. They left a lot of threads dangling though at the end and could've done more. So many interesting themes that were dropped halfway through. Junction system is lol once you learn how to abuse it.
I can't remember much about FF9 other than it was actually fun.
As for FFX, I am convinced it actually has the best-constructed FF story. You may think it's boring, but it's the one that doesn't give you as big a headache when you're trying to wrap your head around it after you've finished playing it. Whether or not you think the battle system is shit -- I liked it, but tbh, I've spent so long playing Pokemon that I didn't have any trouble with it -- the way the story's brought together is ... not great, but pretty damn good by Squeenix standards. It's a little more exploratory than the other games in the series, and I liked the thematic groundwork they laid out. Characters are pretty boring though but still probably the most consistently written characters in all the FF series up until then.
FF8's my favorite; it's also probably the one with the most failed potential out of all of them.
Best games on the PS1 are the Spyro games anyways. Gogogo, platformers. FF7 , made by squareSOFT. Amazing protags and antags that led to many spin offs and a movie. The amazing storyline helped. For those who shit on FF7 i can't help but think you are either a) Of a much younger era then me (I was born in 1985) OR B) You aren't smart enough to UNDERSTAND the story. That's different then a story being shit. The fact that you praise even a small amount of FF8 and shit on FF7, proves as such. You then go on to say how FFX is the best of them all??? Is that a troll? FF8/X are two of, if not THE worst of the final fantasies. It was trying so hard to BE final fantasy 7, Squall-Cloud ripoff, and Seifer(oth)?????Cmon son, at least be original PS:for the time the FF7 graphics were revolutionary, if you're to young to remember it thats not my fault. > You don't like what I like! > Therefore, you're not smart enough to understand the story! Logic'd, clearly. 1.) Quality does not --> sequels/spinoffs for video games. Popularity --> sequels/spinoffs. Sometimes quality and popularity go together; more often than not, they don't. Pokemon has had so many sequels I've lost count of what generation we're on these days. 2.) Lern 2 read. I didn't say FFX was the best; I said it was the best- constructed of them all. The plot was overly simplistic, but that simplicity allowed them to present it better without getting the entire game lost in its own plot, which has pretty much happened with almost every other FF game out there. Complex plots that are too complicated for their own good do not good games make; just look at ... most RPGs and compare them with, say, Shadow of the Colossus or Ico, which are pretty much works of art insofar as video games go. 3.) I don't even know how to address this one, but Seifer is in no way like Sephiroth. They're not even of the same character type, and they have completely different motivations. Unless you're suggesting that Sephiroth is primarily a gloryhound of near-Gilgamesh-proportions and perfectly sane and aware of what he's doing. 1) Disagree, if it wasn't a quality game to begin with. If it had no fan base, and was "total shit" as you say. They would never have pumped more into it to make sequels etc. The majority of the population is right, not you. 2) Best constructed story implies best of the ff's. Because rpg's are about the story 1st, game play second. I "lern" how to read in high school, where they apparently didn't teach you how to spell. 3) Seifer's mannerisms, clothing, look. 100% sephiroth ripoff with short ,blonde hair. Get over it. 1.) Twilight must be a work of literature, then. What makes something popular is how well it is received. Sometimes, it's the quality that people respond to; more often than not, though, people respond to what they find familiar, enjoyable, and cliche. 2.) No, it doesn't. You just decided to twist my words to try to support your point. Nice try though. 3.) Go ahead. Press the point. Tell me why Sephiroth did what he did in-game; I want to hear your breakdown of his character. We can compare notes and see exactly how different or similar those two characters are. It'd be a good critical thinking exercise. On January 30 2012 12:09 Brett wrote:1.) Quality does not --> sequels/spinoffs for video games. Popularity --> sequels/spinoffs. Sometimes quality and popularity go together; more often than not, they don't. Pokemon has had so many sequels I've lost count of what generation we're on these days. You start off by making the point that 'just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it's bad' then essentially do the same thing yourself in the above quote... You're just another opinion on the Internet, buddy. Either stop speaking with an air of authority, or don't be surprised when anyone else does the same... Nobody is right or wrong here... Like whatever the fuck you want to like people... I started off making the point, "Just because I don't like it doesn't mean I'm too stupid to understand the story," actually. He started off with a personal attack, not an opinion about a game (which is what I started with, stating that I think FF7 is overrated). I responded, IMO, politely, given that he tried to call me an idiot. Then I made a very general observation that popularity is what primarily determines sequels. Quality and popularity are correlated, but quality doesn't necessarily generate popularity, nor does popularity guarantee quality. Do you disagree with this point? Further proof I have spent many years as a sketch artist for the NYPD Seifer-oth + Show Spoiler +1)Well, just because YOU DON'T LIKE IT. And neither do I for that matter, but yes. The twighlight series are well written books that appeal to a certain demographic, the problem here is the You're right and everyone else is wrong. 2) Yes it does, your words had to be twisted otherwise are incorrect. Once again though, You're right. Everyone else is wrong. 3) If you can't see how seifer is a complete rip off of sephiroth then i dont know what to tell you. Asking me to tell you what sephiroth did in one day, is like asking to have the bible summed up in one sentence. GG/No re, sorry man. You're of the extreme minority.
Ummm. You understand that physical character design is not the only aspect to a character, right? I can name three different characters from three different manga/anime who look exactly the same with completely different personalities yet acting in the same "roles" in their respective stories, and in no way would I ever suggest that they're the same character or even copies of each other.
1. "The twighlight series are well written books" <--- ಠ_ಠ
2. Let me rephrase myself then: Sometimes it's better to go for a simplistic, cliche story with a simple, common theme like FFX does and to present it as best you can than it is to write a wildly complex story with multiple shades and to get lost in your own plot (which FF7-9 all do). I think FFX worked its given material better than any other game in the series; it's, btw, still not my favorite FF. I compliment it for a quality I find lacking in the rest of the FF series, and I think that it's more cleanly presented than the other stories. That doesn't mean I think it's the best, because there are a number of other factors that should obviously be considered when judging an RPG. (Gameplay, for instance, is much better in all the other FFs. FFX was much too linear and boring.)
3. The fact that Seifer is portrayed as a "fallen bad boy who is actually not a legitimately bad person" as opposed to "Sephiroth, our hero who just happened to go insane and wants to destroy the world for his alien mother" should really say enough about how entirely different the two of them are.
I'm actually fine with people loathing FF8 for its actual faults (of which there are many), but asserting that Seifer and Sephiroth are anywhere near similar in the ways that matter is mindboggling. Criticize FF8 for its whiny protagonist Squall or its shitty plot where you don't even know the main antagonist until the end of the third disc or even its hilariously bad junction system, the dropped threads and storylines halfway through, but don't try to say that Seifer and Sephiroth are the same, please. That just makes my head hurt.
And yes, Twilight is a misogynistic piece of pandering shit written as wish-fulfillment fantasy for a bunch of teenage girls.
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