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On January 30 2012 09:44 TheAmazombie wrote:
New RPGs do suck, and fuck FF7...that was the game that destroyed FF to me.
On January 30 2012 09:32 atmuh wrote:
FFVII and Secret of Mana aren't on the list because I've already played them. And FFVII isn't as good as the others in the series anyway. It's incredibly overrated..
T_T Its always on top of every list of best games of all times.
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Ni No Kuni and Xenoblade come out soon in NA. Both have received critical acclaim
If you enjoy Chrono Trigger one game already mentioned is Radiant Historia
Don't waste your time playing any of the Mana/Lufia/BoF games after the second (imo BoF as a series isn't good but many people like the first two).
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If you like Earthbound you should like Mother 3 for GBA, with fan translation patch.
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Whoa whoa whoa whoa, you have FF8 on your list? But not 7 or 9???? 8 and 10 are the worst!!!!!!!!!
Edit: Sorry, i thought that was a list of recommended games, I'd skip 8 TBH
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wow i'm surprised some of you dislike ff10 O_O ..
it was one of my absolute favorites, the story built up really well and had that classic final fantasy feel
the battle system flowed well, and the sphere grid was fucking amazing as far as character development can go, very well done in my opinion.
ff7 set the tone for amazing storylines and revolutionized the rpg styles at that time, thats why its regarded so highly
ff8 had a decent story, great improvements to visuals, but the junction system was a pile of ass, and the game had its share of flaws
ff9 was an absolute godsend to rpgs, the game was fucking fantastic, loved it so much, played it a ton of times
ff12 was interesting, again decent story to be told, and another unique battle system yet easily abusable. still liked it tho
oh and i'm replaying chrono trigger again as we speak, just got robo and about to head to the factory
i fucking miss all of these games
also - i enjoyed ff13, lightning my favorite character ever, story was pretty compelling (altho ending was lackluster), and i only really hated vanille (and kind of hope), but the battle system was the sexiest thing ever
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I think that the people that don't like ffX didn't play though to the end. Tidus was indeed a very werid charicter at the begining but by the end everything made sense.
+ Show Spoiler [ Spoilers] + Him basically being the creation of some dream thing of a kid. After he learned that his father was sin now as well he got a lot better I think as well and really acted like a hero. The supporting characters where also very nice I think. waka and lulu and their growing relationship in spite of everything happening around them. so many anti and pro religious tones throughout the game gave it a lot of depth I think. you get really hit and miss with these look at 13. I really hope everyone can forget 10-2 that deserves a special place in terrible game making.
I guess its just the hipster thing to do to just hate all the new games. I though DA2 was fantastic but it was a far different game then DA:O and that gave all the fans a raw deal. KOTOR is the star wars games of star wars games. ME is so epic in a lot of ways I don't understand why people don't like it more and complain about it. The villains are scary and the way that they approach the whole tech difference with space is really well executed.
what I don't like about all the older games is the lack of a coherent story line. They just dive into the next thing and expect the player to go along with it. Much more like a movie and less its own media like what new games have with persistent codex's and stuff. a lot of it probably comes from older studios not having the time or money to invest in things like that.
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I wholeheartedly agree.
Storylines are terrible these days, developers need to hire professional writers to do their stories.
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On January 30 2012 10:15 sermokala wrote:I think that the people that don't like ffX didn't play though to the end. Tidus was indeed a very werid charicter at the begining but by the end everything made sense. + Show Spoiler [ Spoilers] + Him basically being the creation of some dream thing of a kid. After he learned that his father was sin now as well he got a lot better I think as well and really acted like a hero. The supporting characters where also very nice I think. waka and lulu and their growing relationship in spite of everything happening around them. so many anti and pro religious tones throughout the game gave it a lot of depth I think. you get really hit and miss with these look at 13. I really hope everyone can forget 10-2 that deserves a special place in terrible game making. I guess its just the hipster thing to do to just hate all the new games. I though DA2 was fantastic but it was a far different game then DA:O and that gave all the fans a raw deal. KOTOR is the star wars games of star wars games. ME is so epic in a lot of ways I don't understand why people don't like it more and complain about it. The villains are scary and the way that they approach the whole tech difference with space is really well executed. what I don't like about all the older games is the lack of a coherent story line. They just dive into the next thing and expect the player to go along with it. Much more like a movie and less its own media like what new games have with persistent codex's and stuff. a lot of it probably comes from older studios not having the time or money to invest in things like that.
ok this post made me angry so here we go
i played through ffx all the way to the end so dont even tell me that you have to play the entire game to like it
the battle system was well done (although REALLY dumbed down for idiots to be able to not die) so ill give it that
the sphere grid was just stupid it was a really well disguised straight line that offered you next to nothing in the way of choices and made you look at a stupid ability screen WAY MORE than you really had to
the story was just a whiny kid even moreso than the other final fantasy games and thats saying something
the music was forgettable for the most part
there was no exploration you just ran up for basically the entire game
i could keep going but ill just say that when i finally finished that game i was just plain ANGRY that i wasted my time with it
and look at this guy using that fantastic buzzword "hipster" that kids love to use these days
just because someone doesnt like new stuff (which in fact is trash) doesnt make them a hipster buddy
i played mass effect for like 2 hours and couldnt take the ridiculous amount of dialogue that the game wanted to shove down your through and expect you to enjoy, and thats the same of every bioware rpg
old rpgs were good because they didnt take themselves ridiculously seriously and add in all this nonsense that is suppose to "enhance the story and the users experience" when instead all it does is WASTE MY TIME
old rpgs had characters say what was needed to be said to progress through the story and develop the characters and that was it
there wasnt extra nonsense that had you sit there thinking to yourself why on earth am i actually playing this
honestly theres no hope for you if you seriously think old rpgs didnt have a cohesive storyline
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On January 30 2012 10:27 atmuh wrote:
the music was forgettable for the most part
whaaaat. I generally agree with your statements (they didn't bother me as much as they seemed to bother you; i still loved FFX), but this is just silly. The "To Zanarkand" melody is probably one of the best musical motifs in the entire series, and I think that the ending sequence's music is absolutely outstanding. And I thought FFX had a great atmosphere and storyline. Yeah, Tidus was annoying and whiny, but I don't generally like when people dismiss an entire storyline because the protagonist has flaws.
I also really liked FFXI, though that discussion doesn't really belong here. FFX-2 was mediocre. I couldn't get into FF12 at all; I played it for a while but never got attached to the characters or story and got bored of the dull gameplay. FF6-9 are all absolute gold. FF8 had questionable gameplay but still had a fantastic universe and storyline which I consider the most important part of the games.
Also, OP, if you haven't played Final Fantasy Tactics, add it to the list. That is a simply fantastic game. edit: ah i see you already had it. hope you have fun with it!
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No Eternal eyes? This game was so much fun. With all the puppets evos, I must have played this game 10 times all the way with different teams for fun. The battling in the game changed so much based on your team. One of the best ps1 games I've played.
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tales of phantasia FUCK YAh
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FF7 is overrated. Protags were boring, antags were boring, graphics were bleh, music was bleh, storyline was shit -- though to be fair, most FF storylines are shit. Squeenix can't actually write any coherent stories. I've spent an obscene amount of time trying to convince myself to like FF7 more, but I just can't manage it.
FF8 is incoherent story-wise and somewhat incoherent character-wise, but all the characters are legitimately interesting when you sit down and look at them in the context of the environment they were raised in. They're basically all sociopathic/psychopathic kids. They left a lot of threads dangling though at the end and could've done more. So many interesting themes that were dropped halfway through. Junction system is lol once you learn how to abuse it.
I can't remember much about FF9 other than it was actually fun.
As for FFX, I am convinced it actually has the best-constructed FF story. You may think it's boring, but it's the one that doesn't give you as big a headache when you're trying to wrap your head around it after you've finished playing it. Whether or not you think the battle system is shit -- I liked it, but tbh, I've spent so long playing Pokemon that I didn't have any trouble with it -- the way the story's brought together is ... not great, but pretty damn good by Squeenix standards. It's a little more exploratory than the other games in the series, and I liked the thematic groundwork they laid out. Characters are pretty boring though but still probably the most consistently written characters in all the FF series up until then.
FF8's my favorite; it's also probably the one with the most failed potential out of all of them.
Best games on the PS1 are the Spyro games anyways. Gogogo, platformers.
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I generally dislike FF games, but 6 was pretty good and I don't see it on your list.
And I know you aren't asking for PS2 titles, but I have to recommend Xenosaga 1 and 3. 2 is okay, but not on the level of the other two in the series.
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if i could only ever have played one game for the playstation, it would have been FFX. It was essentially my definition of a perfect game.
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No Xenogears on the Playstation? That's one of my favorite RPGs fucking ever. The Xenosaga series on the PS2 is also pretty good.
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On January 30 2012 09:56 atmuh wrote:
final fantasy X was HORRENDOUS
Worth watching if you hate FFX :
http://spoonyexperiment.com/category/game-reviews/final-fantasy-x/
It's a 4 video review of why it's terrible that's like 2 hours long lol... He also has a review of FF8 and an incomplete as of yet FFX-2 one. I don't even hate these games but you can hardly disagree that they are terrible when compared to real RPGs like those on SNES.
Other good games that most people have never played :
Exit Fate (it's a suikoden-like fan made game --- only RPG Maker game I've ever LOVED and played it 3 times, so many hours played).
Last Scenario (made by same dude, pretty good but not as great IMO)
They are free, just google them.
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I remember Grandia was fun, but I can't actually remember the details of the story.
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I agree that recent JRPGs aren't as good as they used to be. Other types of RPGs though, is a different matter. There are many titles I've really enjoyed in recent years. The Witcher 1 & 2, Skyrim (to certain extent), DA:O, ME1 (2 is not really a RPG -_-), Bastion, Demon & Dark Soulds, Fallout 3 & NV and a few others I've forgotten. While they may not stand up to some of the classics you've named, they're still very very good and memorable in their own right. So yeah, Japan needs to up their game again. I hear XIII-2 is pretty mediocre as well. I guess Square is losing their touch. Hopefully Versus XIII will change things.
Oh and my middle finger eternally to EA & Bioware for ruining DA2.
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On January 30 2012 10:27 atmuh wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 10:15 sermokala wrote:I think that the people that don't like ffX didn't play though to the end. Tidus was indeed a very werid charicter at the begining but by the end everything made sense. + Show Spoiler [ Spoilers] + Him basically being the creation of some dream thing of a kid. After he learned that his father was sin now as well he got a lot better I think as well and really acted like a hero. The supporting characters where also very nice I think. waka and lulu and their growing relationship in spite of everything happening around them. so many anti and pro religious tones throughout the game gave it a lot of depth I think. you get really hit and miss with these look at 13. I really hope everyone can forget 10-2 that deserves a special place in terrible game making. I guess its just the hipster thing to do to just hate all the new games. I though DA2 was fantastic but it was a far different game then DA:O and that gave all the fans a raw deal. KOTOR is the star wars games of star wars games. ME is so epic in a lot of ways I don't understand why people don't like it more and complain about it. The villains are scary and the way that they approach the whole tech difference with space is really well executed. what I don't like about all the older games is the lack of a coherent story line. They just dive into the next thing and expect the player to go along with it. Much more like a movie and less its own media like what new games have with persistent codex's and stuff. a lot of it probably comes from older studios not having the time or money to invest in things like that. ok this post made me angry so here we go i played through ffx all the way to the end so dont even tell me that you have to play the entire game to like it the battle system was well done (although REALLY dumbed down for idiots to be able to not die) so ill give it that the sphere grid was just stupid it was a really well disguised straight line that offered you next to nothing in the way of choices and made you look at a stupid ability screen WAY MORE than you really had to the story was just a whiny kid even moreso than the other final fantasy games and thats saying something the music was forgettable for the most part there was no exploration you just ran up for basically the entire game i could keep going but ill just say that when i finally finished that game i was just plain ANGRY that i wasted my time with it and look at this guy using that fantastic buzzword "hipster" that kids love to use these days just because someone doesnt like new stuff (which in fact is trash) doesnt make them a hipster buddy i played mass effect for like 2 hours and couldnt take the ridiculous amount of dialogue that the game wanted to shove down your through and expect you to enjoy, and thats the same of every bioware rpg old rpgs were good because they didnt take themselves ridiculously seriously and add in all this nonsense that is suppose to "enhance the story and the users experience" when instead all it does is WASTE MY TIME old rpgs had characters say what was needed to be said to progress through the story and develop the characters and that was it there wasnt extra nonsense that had you sit there thinking to yourself why on earth am i actually playing this honestly theres no hope for you if you seriously think old rpgs didnt have a cohesive storyline
A lot of the issues people had with the sphere grid system were addressed in the International version of FFX, along with added end-game content.
Honestly I'm convinced those who hate on FF7 only do so people of the many people who overrate the game way above everything else. FF7 isn't perfect, but it is certainly among the better games in the series. Is Cloud the greatest main protagonist ever created? No, but he is far more bearable than Tidus, Vaan, Lightning and Squall.
FF7 has maybe the most customizable battle system in the entire series (up there with FFX-2), and it is fairly balanced (unlike FF5, FF8, FF9, aeons in FF10). The game has far better pacing than most in the series and, when you get there, the Gold Rush has easily the best selection of mini-games in any JRPG that I've ever played.
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the amount of hate in this thread makes me smile
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