The foreign progamers perspective on esports - Page 2

On January 16 2012 19:59 mTwTT1 wrote:


if i practice 8 hours a day on na and a korean practices 8 hours a day in a team house + on the korea ladder, whos gonna benifit more from their training? the answer is pretty obvious, both players put in the same amount of time but one is gonna benifit MUCH more than the other, the problem lies within the western esports scene as a whole and not with the player

On January 16 2012 19:42 mTwTT1 wrote:
and where its heading,

Seeing these x-korean leaves x- team in search of a foreign team announcements is starting to become customary these days, i feel like as a foreign player alot of our interests aren't being heard because typically foreign progamers don't voice their issues as much as they should, we just keep the talk between ourselves which doesn't accomplish anything and tbh i feel like sooner or later were going to need an organisation that can represent our interests just so we can legitimize the industry because as it is alot of us are getting fed the shit-end of the stick

On January 16 2012 19:42 mTwTT1 wrote:
now to get to the main issue, I'm all for the globalization of esports and as an sc1 player i always looked up to korean players and dreamt of being able play competitively in korea someday but ill be honest.. ive always wondered why foreign players were never offered the same type of treatment in sc1 as the koreans are currently being offered in sc2, good on them if all the teams and the fans are welcoming them with open arms but afaik when ret tried to become a progamer they chased him out of korea and never gave him the opportunity to do so, they excluded us from everything because we were of no use to them.

On January 16 2012 19:42 mTwTT1 wrote:
now to be fair i don't know if the reason why we were ostracized so much from their scene had something to do with kespa, the teams/players or if it had to do with something else but in any case thats not what im here to talk about, what i wanted to voice were a few issues from the players perspesctive

On January 16 2012 19:42 mTwTT1 wrote:
1) I know as fans u probably wont care much about this because u just want to see high class players representing ur favourite teams(regardless of where they come from) but this is an extremely sensitive issue to the players. Any potential $$ that is going to a korean player is potential money that isn't going to our players, a HUGE portion of the players are being underpaid, the amount of money vs the amount of time we have to put into the game in order to stay competitive is let's say..... very shitty? On top of that we can't get the same type of training that the koreans are getting because our infrastructure fucking blows, now all of a sudden the korean players are saying to themselves "hmmm, not only can we rape all their tournaments but we can probably take over all their teams aswell", whats going to happen to us 5-10 years down the line?

On January 16 2012 19:42 mTwTT1 wrote:
For alot of foreign players its extremely hard to drop everything in our lives just so we can move to korea in order to keep up with them practice-wise. Why cant we have the same type of training that they have without having to sacrifice a huge portion of our lives? The only foreigner players who wont fall behind the koreans skill wise are the ones who will be willing to sacrifice a huge part of their lives so they can practice over there and alot of those players are either a) young or b) are already financially set, that type of sacrifice wont impact them as much as say a top european or north american foreign player whos in his early-midd twenties and isnt getting paid/isnt willing to sacrifice his life as much as those players which makes that type of sacrifice an extremely high risk thing to do

On January 16 2012 19:42 mTwTT1 wrote:
if things dont change then 3 years from now the high level european/na players are going to make their living off of their team salarys/stream while playing the occasional online tournament and the skillgap between them and the koreans is going to grow so much that they'll end up being a non factor in tournaments, that being said ull still have the odd 4-5 well paid foreigners practicing in korea who are going to give them a run for their money at each tournament(however their going to fail 95% of the time simply because were outnumbered), if ur satisfied with that then im happy for u but unfortunately alot of talented players will never achieve their true potential and we'll never get to know what type of player they could have turned into which to me would be the greatest tragedy in esports

On January 16 2012 20:02 fams wrote:
I just want to say, the amount of dedication and professionalism from the majority of Korean players trumps that of the majority of Western players. Not to mention, from a marketing standpoint, Korean professional gamers offer a lot more in terms of Starcraft because of the stigma in all our heads that Koreans are the gosu's and Westerners are the chobo's.

When I go to a major tournament, who do I see practising every moment between games? Korean players. Are there some foreigners who also do this? Sure, of course, Strelok for one does this as well. What do I see when the tournament is done for the day? For the majority of Western players (oddly enough the ones not doing well) are out drinking and partying. Meanwhile, the Westerners who are doing good (IdrA, HuK, etc.) are in their rooms early, sleeping. As are the Koreans - or if you are a SlayerS member, like MMA and BoxeR, you stay up to 2am practising some more.

Additionally, Korean professional gamers give up a lot as well, just as much as IdrA and HuK in some cases. IdrA and HuK gave up their family and friends to move abroad to follow their dreams of becoming professional gamers - is that not what viOlet and Artist are doing? They gave up their families and friends to move to the USA in order to pursue their career as pro-gamers.

Not to mention the time the Koreans (and now people like IdrA and HuK) put in at those pro-gaming houses, is massive compared to the time the vast majority of Westerners put into the game.

I will agree that there needs to be a governing body with the PLAYERS best interests at heart, but segregating it based on ethnicity would just defeat the purpose.

I feel that if players, from any part of the world, wish to become a professional gamer and have this as their #1 source of income and livelihood should learn that this industry, despite its recent boom, is still incredibly small, and only a select few are going to make money at this and be able to sustain themselves. If you want to be one of those lucky few - you are going to have to learn how to make those sacrifices, and become smarter not only as a player and become better, but also as an individual and learn how to market yourself so you are more valuable to a team.

On January 16 2012 19:42 mTwTT1 wrote:
For alot of foreign players its extremely hard to drop everything in our lives just so we can move to korea in order to keep up with them practice-wise. Why cant we have the same type of training that they have without having to sacrifice a huge portion of our lives?

On January 16 2012 19:59 mTwTT1 wrote:


if i practice 8 hours a day on na and a korean practices 8 hours a day in a team house + on the korea ladder, whos gonna benifit more from their training? the answer is pretty obvious, both players put in the same amount of time but one is gonna benifit MUCH more than the other, the problem lies within the western esports scene as a whole and not with the player

On January 16 2012 19:59 mTwTT1 wrote:


if i practice 8 hours a day on na and a korean practices 8 hours a day in a team house + on the korea ladder, whos gonna benifit more from their training? the answer is pretty obvious, both players put in the same amount of time but one is gonna benifit MUCH more than the other, the problem lies within the western esports scene as a whole and not with the player

On January 16 2012 19:59 mTwTT1 wrote:


if i practice 8 hours a day on na and a korean practices 8 hours a day in a team house + on the korea ladder, whos gonna benifit more from their training? the answer is pretty obvious, both players put in the same amount of time but one is gonna benifit MUCH more than the other, the problem lies within the western esports scene as a whole and not with the player

i actually touched on this point in my initial post.. the only way to stay competitive would be to move to korea but there are certain contrainsts that make that sort of a commitment too much of a high risk thing to do

On January 16 2012 19:59 mTwTT1 wrote:


if i practice 8 hours a day on na and a korean practices 8 hours a day in a team house + on the korea ladder, whos gonna benifit more from their training? the answer is pretty obvious, both players put in the same amount of time but one is gonna benifit MUCH more than the other, the problem lies within the western esports scene as a whole and not with the player

i actually touched on this point in my initial post.. the only way to stay competitive would be to move to korea but there are certain contrainsts that make that sort of a commitment too much of a high risk thing to do

On January 16 2012 20:08 padapuffis wrote:
cant believe OP is around since SC1 and still has such a low internet IQ to make such a thread.

On January 16 2012 20:03 ReignFayth wrote:

not all true though, I've seen koreans partying at MLGs lol

On January 16 2012 19:59 mTwTT1 wrote:


if i practice 8 hours a day on na and a korean practices 8 hours a day in a team house + on the korea ladder, whos gonna benifit more from their training? the answer is pretty obvious, both players put in the same amount of time but one is gonna benifit MUCH more than the other, the problem lies within the western esports scene as a whole and not with the player