How I made $10,000 in 2 weeks betting on SC2 - Page 3
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As with all forms of gambling, betting on progames will yield winners and losers. Don't forget that you could easily be that loser. | ||
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NeedsmoreCELLTECH
Netherlands1242 Posts
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Switchy
343 Posts
Just quit now while you are ahead or change you system, its very tempting to go for big stakes but in the long rung careful and balanced play will be more effective. | ||
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nam nam
Sweden4672 Posts
I do occasionally bet on finals and such just to have that little extra on the line, not really to make money. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
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nam nam
Sweden4672 Posts
On December 15 2011 22:00 Switchy wrote: The way you seem to handle it OP makes me think it was just dumb luck. I mean making a poll who to put $1000 on? I've done football betting for a while and it was quite hard work to get just 103-104% ROI. Just quit now while you are ahead or change you system, its very tempting to go for big stakes but in the long rung careful and balanced play will be more effective. I'm not saying the op has the best of systems but I'd guess the ones setting the odds for sc2 are less knowledgable about the game relative to the ones betting than for a major sport like football so it wouldn't surprise me if you can have more success betting on sc2 from that perspective. | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
btw you should bold, as it is very true: only play with money you can afford to lose, it's the first bankroll management rule in anything like this | ||
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Zeon0
Austria2995 Posts
On December 15 2011 21:49 TiTanIum_ wrote: It´s a zero sum game. If you won 10k someone else lost 10k, and if everybody betted correctly you would have gotten nothing. no, someone else lost 11k, cause pinnacle also makes profit but whos cares who loses? If you are sure you can win, then do it! Its the same as poker, there are masses of losing players, but also quite a few winning players. Blizz Cup Final Spoiler + Show Spoiler + imho it depends how good the odds are for DRG, MMA is the favorite, but DRG can easily take 3 maps or win. | ||
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
On December 15 2011 22:03 nam nam wrote: I'm not saying the op has the best of systems but I'd guess the ones setting the odds for sc2 are less knowledgable about the game relative to the ones betting than for a major sport like football so it wouldn't surprise me if you can have more success betting on sc2 from that perspective. It's exactly this. Altho I say and believe that without knowing who is bookmaking the ESPORTS odds. Perhaps he's a famous TL member ^^ | ||
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MonsterBeast
Canada193 Posts
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Hider
Denmark9433 Posts
On December 15 2011 22:03 nam nam wrote: I'm not saying the op has the best of systems but I'd guess the ones setting the odds for sc2 are less knowledgable about the game relative to the ones betting than for a major sport like football so it wouldn't surprise me if you can have more success betting on sc2 from that perspective. I kinda looked at the odds from Pinnacle, and I think they were decent. They are prob much better at setting odds than the average viewer of GSL is, and if you combine that with the fact that they charging money for you to bet, I think you have to be pretty good at analyzing games to beat them. As I said Im pretyt convinced OP is a long term loser. | ||
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Cham
797 Posts
On December 15 2011 21:50 droppanda wrote: Ah, really sorry dude, I added spoiler tags now .. No problem, thanks for being considerate :D | ||
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AIOL!
France962 Posts
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Switchy
343 Posts
On December 15 2011 22:03 nam nam wrote: I'm not saying the op has the best of systems but I'd guess the ones setting the odds for sc2 are less knowledgable about the game relative to the ones betting than for a major sport like football so it wouldn't surprise me if you can have more success betting on sc2 from that perspective. Yes you are right in that, the bookmaker is more likely to lose because they probably dont have the same flawless systems as they use for football for example.. But bets like 1600 dollars on 1.15 odds are incredibly reckless. Those are never good bets unless you include them in combos. | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On December 15 2011 22:07 AIOL! wrote: The best bet of the century was Stephano vs Hero at blizzcup, for those who watched Stephano win 90% of his ZvP on the ladder and with an odd at like 2.6, verry good affair ![]() holy shit, they gave 2.6 for that Stephano v Hero match? You make me consider quitting poker and getting into betting, lol | ||
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Soma.bokforlag
Sweden448 Posts
you can find values on pinnacle and other bookies, if you really want to win in the long run you have to bet at different bookies though, and since only pinny has a decent amount of games its impossible until SC2 becomes bigger, just bet small amounts for fun (thats my advice) | ||
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JonSki
United Kingdom126 Posts
On December 15 2011 21:49 TiTanIum_ wrote: It´s a zero sum game. If you won 10k someone else lost 10k, and if everybody betted correctly you would have gotten nothing. Dude really........... thats obvious but when in thr history of any sport has everyone bet on the winner, and how do you know someone else lost 10,000 i dont think only 2 people have been betting take sometime to think before posting. Got to be MMA for me even though DRG has had some mad wins :D EDIT: Then again i dont know how pinnacle works wether you bet against each other im just going by other major betting agencies (william hill ect) | ||
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Hider
Denmark9433 Posts
On December 15 2011 22:08 Switchy wrote: Yes you are right in that, the bookmaker is more likely to lose because they probably dont have the same flawless systems as they use for football for example.. But bets like 1600 dollars on 1.15 odds are incredibly reckless. Those are never good bets unless you include them in combos. You dont understand how odds works. | ||
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droppanda
Australia176 Posts
On December 15 2011 21:53 Hider wrote: No its a not a zero sum game. You actually lose in the lon run with average skills. While i definitely do think that its possible to get a ROI of about 105% (long term) betting on sc2 if your really good, i dont think op is a winner long term. I have been working with odds my self, and it seems to me that the logic of op is way to simpe, and he is clearly a guy who probably doesn't understand the difference between long-term winnings short term, or basic terms such as bet value. When that is said, you can probably come up with general rules, aka foreigners are overrated. Some players like nestea is overrated. But for me to bet according to those rules you will need much more testing. Yes, of course you are not guaranteed to win by following some rules, you need to use your own judgement and wits. I have followed starcraft since the days of BW and have seen almost every single GSL match. You get a feel after a while about the trends and you start learning from mistakes. If you go over my betting history, it's difficult to see the matches I DON'T bet on. That's where you make money. By avoiding the risky matches, you can see the majority of the sums are positive. Before, I used to bet on every match that ran, but I learn now to stay away from certain ones. There is no rule you can follow to do this consistently, it is something you pick up over time. I went through over $100,000 worth of wagers placed this year, and have consistently built up bankrolls close to $10,000 from $500 starting amounts. Now I am learning when NOT to bet and have managed to not lose my bank. I have withdrawn everything except for $1.5k, which I plan to use most of it on the finals. It's the last bet of the year ![]() Don't make statements like I do not know the difference between long terms winnings and basics such as bet value. I have been a betting man for a long time, over 10 years now. Is that long enough a term for you? I have made over 30k on tennis betting this year and all time, am up close to 150k. Sure there are some years I am down, but in the long run, I am up... I have a full time job, am successful and I and like to punt on the side. Is it hard to believe you can profit from betting? I love starcraft and find it much more exciting than tennis to watch and have started to spend my time on starcraft matches rather than tennis. So yes, Starcraft betting is a fairly new avenue for me, but I have been doing it for longer than most, even probably you. | ||
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Hider
Denmark9433 Posts
On December 15 2011 22:15 droppanda wrote: Yes, of course you are not guaranteed to win by following some rules, you need to use your own judgement and wits. I have followed starcraft since the days of BW and have seen almost every single GSL match. You get a feel after a while about the trends and you start learning from mistakes. If you go over my betting history, it's difficult to see the matches I DON'T bet on. That's where you make money. By avoiding the risky matches, you can see the majority of the sums are positive. Before, I used to bet on every match that ran, but I learn now to stay away from certain ones. There is no rule you can follow to do this consistently, it is something you pick up over time. I went through over $100,000 worth of wagers placed this year, and have consistently built up bankrolls close to $10,000 from $500 starting amounts. Now I am learning when NOT to bet and have managed to not lose my bank. I have withdrawn everything except for $1.5k, which I plan to use most of it on the finals. It's the last bet of the year ![]() Don't make statements like I do not know the difference between long terms winnings and basics such as bet value. I have been a betting man for a long time, over 10 years now. Is that long enough a term for you? I have made over 30k on tennis betting this year and all time, am up close to 150k. Sure there are some years I am down, but in the long run, I am up... I have a full time job, am successful and I and like to punt on the side. Is it hard to believe you can profit from betting? I love starcraft and find it much more exciting than tennis to watch and have started to spend my time on starcraft matches rather than tennis. So yes, Starcraft betting is a fairly new avenue for me, but I have been doing it for longer than most, even probably you. What is your roi? How many bets? Standard deviation? | ||
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Dariusz
Poland657 Posts
Coming from a poker player. | ||
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