A Different Perspective on The NaNiwa Controversy - Page 25

On December 16 2011 08:59 Fjodorov wrote:



I think you are wrong. If you only cared about money and fame then you would think about the consequences and your future career more carefully in terms of money lost if you get punished and bad publicity etc. Naniwa, on the contrary, invests all that he is and all his emotions in his competetive games and when its over and he has lost ( 0 - 3) he is completely drained. You may think that fake, half hearted, sloppy games, where both players morale is rock bottom, are good for esports. I disagree

On December 16 2011 09:03 MrCon wrote:
OP has some good points (about Naniwa) and terrible points (about Idra).
Saying that Idra had his code S spot "for months" for instance. I know GOM gave you a very nice gift by giving Idra a code S spot without previous notice, so you feel you have to lie about it to make them look good, but the fact that Idra was in the up and downs and that Naniwa was in code S is well documented (including by Idra himself who said it in a show. In fact he said he first thought he was in code A, and was happily surprised to be placed in the und and have a chance to qualify directly for code S).

In this story, Naniwa thought he was in code S, Idra thought he was in the und, the whole world and esports covering sites also thought that, but it seems neither you nor GOM, who knew it was false "for months", decided to correct them. Which is pretty surprising, as they already started to sell 2012 tickets, and I guess Idra in code S would have been a pretty good announcement toi make for GOM or EG.

Please don't take that as "defending naniwa". What he did was wrong, but that doesn't excuse all the wrongs that followed, including some disinformation contained in the OP. It seems you wanted to basically say "Don't hate Idra for taking Naniwa's code S spot" (which you're right to, Idra has no blame obviously, unless EG pressured GOM to ban Naniwa and place their star player in code S, but it's a little conspiratorial, and not Idra's responsability).
But you should have told that directly and frankly (imo)

I nitpick a small part of your article, but as I said, I agree with most other things you wrote.

On December 16 2011 09:35 Nahema wrote:
I have the strong opinion, that actually putting up a show just for the sake of having a match to show of would have been the worst thing naniwa could have done. I feel that especially in a grude match its important for the viewers to know, that both player WANT to win the match. If players are denied the oppertunety to forfit, there from now on forth every other match loses a littel of its meaning to me as a viewer, because i cannot know whether the player actually wants to win that game or not. I dont and dont want to expect from players to '"want" to win always.


Edit: I'm no Naniwa fan. In fact i dislike him, but the honesty of his proberush action made me reconsider and have a littel respect for him.

On December 16 2011 10:15 jyLee wrote:


Why the hell would a professional not want to ALWAYS win. I find it ironic Naniwa says he's ultra competitive yet he doesnt even attempt to compete against a world class player like Nestea. You would think just the prestige of competing and possibly beating Nestea and entertaining fans would be enough. This just shows how selfish and self centered Naniwa is. Does not care about fulfilling his obligations to the tournament and the fans. Saying that Naniwa only cares about winning tournaments is not an excuse. Jordan was the best basketball player ever and he was egotistical, hyper competitve, and an angry man. Didnt stop him from playing in meaningless All Star games and ball out. Nor did it stop him from competing in even more pointless Slam Dunk contests purely for the enjoyment of fans. Naniwa was man enough to come out and apologize, now the fanboys need to stop blaming GOM and stop making lame excuses because its pretty pathetic.

On December 16 2011 06:22 blinken wrote:
This is essentially a rehash of all the intelligent posts on this subject from yesterday, hardly a revelation.

On December 16 2011 07:40 AsnSensation wrote:
Great Writeup ! I completely agree maybe if the butthurt fanboys take their time and read ths they change their opinion on the whole matter.

On December 16 2011 10:11 hejakev wrote:


Exactly. It contributes nothing, merely perpetuates the controversy. Adding analogies to professional sports doesn't change anything. Then you get guys like this:



--who think that it not only brings a new perspective to the matter, but that it's such a convincing argument that Naniwa fans are going to change their minds. I'm getting the feeling certain people, including AsnSensation here, didn't actually read the OP. They're just blindly congratulating EGalex for rewording what has already been said.

Such arrogance calling it a "different perspective"...

On December 15 2011 23:39 HyperLethality wrote:
I don't know if you're ever going to see this Alex, but I just want to let you know that I have new-found respect for you. This is an absolutely necessary write-up for everyone within the e-Sports community. To be frank, I've been very irritated by the amount of people who have spoken of boycotting Gom and attempting to justify NaNiwa's actions. I feel that once you reach a certain level of maturity, you must realize that just because the rules don't say not to do it, doesn't mean it's okay to do it. Anyway, I want to keep this short, so all I will say is that I absolutely agree with everything you've said within this write-up. And also hats off to you for doing this, despite not being directly involved in any way. Community figures stepping up is an admirable and necessary step for e-Sports. Thank you.