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jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-21 06:49:56
November 21 2011 06:48 GMT
#61
On November 21 2011 13:36 apm66 wrote:
I'd boo on the top of my lungs if the intro was for deezer


Exactly, and booing should be reserved for people like him, not for players like Naniwa.

Also have any of you ever been to a sports forum? They ridicule fans who boo all the time.
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-21 07:05:18
November 21 2011 07:02 GMT
#62
On November 21 2011 14:04 GettingIt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2011 11:37 Itsmedudeman wrote:
You do realize people do this in EVERY MAJOR SPORT??? In fact, have you ever been to a high school football game or basketball game where the other team's names are being called? You know what happens to Lebron James every god damn city he enters now?

But yes, dear God, let's not boo someone because we all need to hold hands and cheer for everyone no matter what because the world is good, and there is no such thing as passion for players and games. Let's get a list of those who boo'd and execute them as they don't deserve to live for being such despicable human beings. How dare they boo for a player who they didn't want to win.


That is not true at all for sports where athletes are not part of a team.

You well never hear booing in Golf, Tennis, Track, Swimming, etc.

The reason there is booing in team events is because normally the crowds are booing the team and not the specific players except for rare occasions such as Lebron.

Are you joking dude? You know when serena williams was arguing with the line callers the crowd boo'd her? Naniwa did some stuff this weekend that was definitely unsportsmanlike, the biggest thing being calling MLG a joke tournament on stage, pausing the game for illegitimate reasons, arguing with the admins, and some stuff to nestea which was seen as disrespectful (mainly because it was nestea). Don't get me wrong, ceremonies like that are okay, but it really depends on context, and naniwa was just seen as someone who (arguably as I don't really feel strongly about this myself) just didn't have a right to do a ceremony like that. If nestea did that against boxer he'd have been boo'd as well.
oDieN[Siege]
Profile Joined November 2009
United States2905 Posts
November 21 2011 07:12 GMT
#63
I personally think "booing" is a bit rude, I think if you're not going to cheer for anyne, don't say anything at all.
This is eSports, and we want it to grow. We should treat each other with respect and support one another, imo.
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TERRANLOL
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States626 Posts
November 21 2011 07:38 GMT
#64
These things will come with expansion, and there will be many more things about the newcomers that you won't like. Part of the reason the TL community is so awesome is because when it started it was a very small group of intelligent hard working individuals. As Sc2 and Esports grow, the community will as well.
Trying to defend sc2 and esports from all the little things that come with expansion would be like trying to keep your daughter/son from ever learning about sex/violence/all the bad things in the world. The fact of the matter is that sc2 exists in this environment, and if it is going to grow, it must be able to grow despite these things, not without them.
Swede
Profile Joined June 2010
New Zealand853 Posts
November 21 2011 07:41 GMT
#65
On November 21 2011 16:12 ODieN wrote:
I personally think "booing" is a bit rude, I think if you're not going to cheer for anyne, don't say anything at all.
This is eSports, and we want it to grow. We should treat each other with respect and support one another, imo.


Agree. I also think it's disrespectful to the game. Booing can put people on tilt, and for anyone who is there because they want to see the most interesting, dynamic and intelligent play it's counterproductive. Unfortunately that seems to be the minority of SC2 spectators (same with any sport I guess though).

Though I can understand booing in sports where you are siding with a nation rather than an individual because it's impersonal that way.
drgoats
Profile Joined March 2010
United States310 Posts
November 21 2011 07:44 GMT
#66
I was there and I had no problems with all that you stated. Everywhere I went in Providence everybody was talking about how great of an experience it was. I think MLG Providence enhanced E-Sports.
You are probably referring to the booing of Naniwa and even that subsided as the event moved on. He happened to be the villain for the day and people like to boo their villains. At least they didn't throw tomatoes.
esla_sol
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States756 Posts
November 21 2011 09:03 GMT
#67
i thought it was kind of funny that a foreigner who showed great games beating the best players in korea and some amazing micro tricks gets boo'd whilst some random korean nobody really is a fan of gets applause for 6 pool and 3 7 roach rushes.

mob mentality.
bonifaceviii
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2890 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-21 17:15:01
November 21 2011 17:12 GMT
#68
People boo who they don't like.

Do they have a good reason not to like them? Hell if I know. Is it disrespectful? Sure, why not. Stupid? Probably, but 99% of what people do is stupid. Is it worth thinking about? Not really, much less posting on Teamliquid about it.
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KadaverBB
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany25657 Posts
November 21 2011 17:16 GMT
#69
Aaah, another "hurt esports" thread, i hear those are quite popular these days.
Seriously, it is getting annoying, not everything in this world is trying to kill esports -.-
AdministratorLaws change depending on who's making them, but justice is justice
Josh111
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States239 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-21 18:10:38
November 21 2011 18:09 GMT
#70
Thrill have you ever gone to a 3 day event such as MLG? If you have you would know its exhausting, the last day (and i didn't even go the second day) I was falling asleep in my chair, only the games with my fav players generated enough excitement for me to be fully engaged in what was going on. AND I was in a seat, there were hundreds of people standing ALL 3 DAYS. Also its Sunday, I have 8 am class on Monday and live 2 hours away from providence. So that fact combined with the fact I was exhausted from the event I left early, i don't understand how that is hurting esports.

I wont even talk about the booing thing. other then, Thrill you should just stop watching all sporting events if the booing gets you upset. People boo for players that say something stupid or make mistakes in game, just look at ocho for the patriots. Every time he drops a pass he should catch he gets booed by the crowd. THATS SPORTS
ThaZenith
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada3116 Posts
November 21 2011 18:32 GMT
#71
Well, I was honestly surprised when people were leaving early. I thought I had somehow managed to miss the prize ceremony when I saw the place empty out.

I'd be one of the ones staying until everything is over. And then staying a little longer.
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
November 21 2011 18:50 GMT
#72
I really don't get why some of you are claiming booing is hurting the scene. Yes it is a little disrespectful to the players especially if there's no good justification, but this is what sports crowd do in almost all arenas. Some sections of the audience will do whatever it is they feel like in the moment. You can't regulate or stop that unless they really step over the line with something like racism. Even then, it takes an inordinate amount of effort to identify and deal with them. To me booing is just like cheering or gasping or whatever it is the crowd does to express themselves. We can't just selectively ban some because 'it's a little rude'. Besides, doesn't booing at least show that the crowd cares?

I guess I've been desensitised to all that stuff after attending a lot of live sports (mainly football) events. People cuss, spit and chant all sorts of obscenities towards players, managers, other fans. I'll admit it was a little shocking the first couple of times, but you have to understand people are passionate, and they release that through expressions like booing. As long as it's not malicious, I don't see a problem with it.
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sleepingdog
Profile Joined August 2008
Austria6145 Posts
November 21 2011 18:50 GMT
#73
On November 21 2011 11:46 Rekrul wrote:
you're an idiot, and it doesn't matter


you are wrong and it does matter

if we want big sponsors to give big money, we better behave a little more mature; otherwise you don't have to wonder if you only get hotpockets and dr. pepper
"You see....YOU SEE..." © 2010 Sen
bonifaceviii
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2890 Posts
November 21 2011 19:29 GMT
#74
On November 22 2011 03:50 sleepingdog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2011 11:46 Rekrul wrote:
you're an idiot, and it doesn't matter


you are wrong and it does matter

if we want big sponsors to give big money, we better behave a little more mature; otherwise you don't have to wonder if you only get hotpockets and dr. pepper

Oh no! Swarovski and Rolex aren't sponsoring eSports because people are booing Naniwa, stop it guys
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Kukaracha
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
France1954 Posts
November 21 2011 20:29 GMT
#75
The crowd was also a little numb at times, or maybe the mics were just badly adjusted. Anyway it seemed as if people were having a little fun, but not too much.
Le long pour l'un pour l'autre est court (le mot-à-mot du mot "amour").
Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
November 21 2011 20:34 GMT
#76
On November 22 2011 03:50 sleepingdog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2011 11:46 Rekrul wrote:
you're an idiot, and it doesn't matter


you are wrong and it does matter

if we want big sponsors to give big money, we better behave a little more mature; otherwise you don't have to wonder if you only get hotpockets and dr. pepper


LOL this is sarcastic right?
why so 진지해?
d3_crescentia
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4054 Posts
November 21 2011 21:07 GMT
#77
I dunno, I personally don't like boos. Big ones are especially kind of stressful to deal with as a player, but at least MLG has booths to prevent the boos from getting in.

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sam!zdat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5559 Posts
November 21 2011 23:04 GMT
#78
On November 21 2011 13:11 farvacola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2011 13:00 DreamChaser wrote:
On November 21 2011 12:57 sam!zdat wrote:
On November 21 2011 12:21 TheLOLas wrote:
On November 21 2011 11:37 Itsmedudeman wrote:
You do realize people do this in EVERY MAJOR SPORT??? In fact, have you ever been to a high school football game or basketball game where the other team's names are being called? You know what happens to Lebron James every god damn city he enters now?

But yes, dear God, let's not boo someone because we all need to hold hands and cheer for everyone no matter what because the world is good, and there is no such thing as passion for players and games. Let's get a list of those who boo'd and execute them as they don't deserve to live for being such despicable human beings. How dare they boo for a player who they didn't want to win.

This guy summed it up pretty well. Shit happens at these events. Learn to deal with it.


NO! Starcraft is a sport for manly people who are manner and have honor; The emphasis on manner and sportmanship was one of the things I admired about bw and I hope that sc2 can grow the same balls despite the influx of gamer kids/casuals who don't know the true meaning of esports.

If I wanted to hang out with drunken assholes I would go to a football game, I want to hang out with esports fans who are smart and manner and treat everybody with respect because that's what starcraft is about
.



Seriously? Like how do i approach this? Elitist? thats possibly the most ignorant post i have read here. You just completely grouped people together like your some sort of fucking genius. You assume SC fan= smart and Football fan =Drunken idiot? So how does one be fan of both?

I'm not even going to write up a long post to dissect your ignorant fucking post.


This man knows whats up, its quite amazing how small-minded and judgmental some people can be, as though their own interests are only validated through shitting on others. Guess what sam!zdat, I want to celebrate my passion for Sc2 just like I do my Green Bay Packers, whaddya gonna do about it bub?


I'm not going to "DO" anything about it other than tell you in an anonymous online forum that I think it's childish behavior and reflects poorly on your cultural capital. You shouldn't boo somebody unless they've done something that's actually worthy of your disrespect; naniwa didn't do anything like that.

To the guy one quote up, please don't take hyperbole too seriously it just makes you look defensive.

The point for me is I think western esports fans should take a page from the koreans on how to behave. You can talk trash sure, that's part of the fun, but you should do it in a respectful way. This is one respect at least in which their culture is far superior to ours.
shikata ga nai
kittensrcute
Profile Joined August 2010
United States617 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-22 01:20:52
November 22 2011 01:11 GMT
#79
I was at the event, and there was a ton of booing after his "joke tournament" comment. the multiple pauses that ended up delaying the third game for a good 20-30 minutes, and probably also due to his watching the replay of their remade third game. NesTea was visibly upset and because he is such a crowd favorite, I think that when he started to tilt - (the third game he definitely didn't play on his normal level, making careless mistakes etc) - the crowd sort of tilted in a way as well.

While esports events are comparable in many ways to real sports events, there are definitely some very clear differences between the two. At sporting events there are tons of people booing the opposing team or even the home team if their performance is sub par. There are obviously going to be crowd favorites as well as less liked players at esports events, though I think the crowd should be able to show that through louder cheering for one player over the other. (Alcohol is also much more readily available at sporting events than esports, though that's not to say that some people weren't drinking )

I'm a little burned out after this past weekend so I'm finding it quite difficult to phrase my thoughts correctly but it just doesn't feel right to be booing a player who has shown such excellent play and is helping the SC2 scene grow. While I definitely think that his actions in his series with NesTea weren't appropriate, the blatant disrespect shown towards him wasn't entirely deserved. We're all trying to help esports grow so it seems that we should be on the same side. Sure, you might not like him but at least show a little respect during the player announcements.

I, for one, did not support Naniwa through his run of incredible play but I still clapped (weakly, haha) during his introduction even though I would call him a scumbag (or something similar) to my friends who were also in attendance.


On another note, though... How is it that Naniwa and the official were both confused as to what version of the map it was supposed to be? I feel like that shouldn't ever happen and the confusion really shouldn't have delayed the event for that long.


There's probably some other stuff I'd like to add but I'm forgetting it now, oh well.

Edit 1: Just as a sidenote I was one of the fans who left early but that's because my ride had to wake up at 7am the next morning for work and we still had a 2 hour drive ahead of us.

There were also a ton of scumbags who would steal seats when people would just be going to the bathroom. I was with three other people so we always safeguarded each other's seats and took shifts to eat and get drinks as well so this never happened to us, but I witnessed plenty of people attempt to just sit on other people's coats when they got up. One person who took a seat even tried to argue with a person that was saving it that he had been standing for hours so he deserves the seat. I just found this ridiculous because to get our seats (on Saturday we sat about 12 rows back centered in front of the main stage), we had to be there nearly three hours before the first SC2 game was played on the main stage. I understand the frustration of not having a seat, but don't try to tell the people who probably arrived at the event way ahead of time to get their seats that you have been waiting and waiting. It sucks that there were a very limited number of seats but then again, that's why we got to the event early, even if it meant only four hours of sleep and then showing up still not quite sober from the previous night.
Deadeight
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1629 Posts
November 22 2011 01:21 GMT
#80
Personally I don't like the boos, I wouldn't boo myself. I know esports isn't cricket, but it's kinda bad manner.

Having said that, I'm sure people doing it didn't think it was a big deal, it's easy to do in a big crowd. The only person it negatively affects is naniwa, who has put himself up there on stage, though I'm sure he never expected it.
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