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Edit: the sensationalist title was chosen to generate views, deal with it. For some back story and clarification, read this post: + Show Spoiler +On November 21 2011 11:10 VirgilSC2 wrote:I'm not a Leenock fan in the first place, and while I'm not a NaNiWa fan either, it sucks to see someone go down like this. I personally feel really bad for NaNiWa. He gets told by NesTea pre-game that he's going to crush him, after he already beat NesTea once, proceeds to pause for a confirmation on the map, and gets hated on. Wins the series, finally comes out of his shell a little on-stage, and gets vilified for it. I think this quote from Slasher says a lot: Show nested quote +@Slasher
Rod Breslau
Just spoke to Naniwa, he's sad the crowd boo'ed him, will bottle up his emotions till he wins the championship. Leenock wants a shot. #MLG NaNiWa has had people rooting against him from Day 1 of this event, and it just kept compounding. You could see on stage after he became the villain of the weekend, he kept his words and emotion to a minimum, and to hear the crowd being against you every game can really hurt your mentality. Would also like to state that i've been to live events, love 'em and think a crowd collectively appreciating something is a potentially wonderful thing. We should just make our crowds more awesome than those of most other sports. Let's take the best of Western enthusiasm and BW respect and combine it. Edit2: added a poll since more people than anticipated disagree on point 1. Edit3: Should clarify pt. 2 a bit more. I can see why people want to leave after a long weekend but a prize ceremony =/= rolling credits after a cinematic feature. When someone who isn't "the home team" wins, please consider staying and sharing their joy. At least until the scene is more developed and more contenders for #1 have a solid fanbase worldwide Edit4: By popular demand, price ceremony has been corrected to prize ceremony.
I'm not saying everyone in the crowd was a villain, but as a collective mass, i'm disappointed in the SC2 community.
There have been incidents in the past towards other games at MLG, fighting over chairs and various minor occurrences, but nothing comes close to this.
1. When a caster says "give a cheer for _____" you don't boo. Or?
Poll: Is booing during player intros acceptable?No. (193) 75% Yes. (64) 25% 257 total votes Your vote: Is booing during player intros acceptable? (Vote): Yes.
(Vote): No.
2. You seriously don't have 10 extra minutes to spare on the prize ceremony? These were the national finals! With the mass exodus that followed the last game, it's not like you're gonna "beat traffic". It's disrespectful to the tournament organizers, the sponsors behind the price money and trophy and the press covering the event. More than anything, it came off as you were a bunch of anti-fans who never really cheered for anyone to win but rather someone to lose. Mad props to those who stayed without being press, a player or part of the organization though.
I hate the concept of judging people collectively but we have to accept the fact that majorities are visible/audible and the eyes of everyone watching are on them.
Going from Blizzcon to this was a cold shower. This weekend the various barcrafts seemed to me a better venue for Starcraft viewing.
All eyes are now on the Dreamhack finals that are being held in an arena. I really hope those seats are filled and by a more sympathetic bunch.
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You do realize people do this in EVERY MAJOR SPORT??? In fact, have you ever been to a high school football game or basketball game where the other team's names are being called? You know what happens to Lebron James every god damn city he enters now?
But yes, dear God, let's not boo someone because we all need to hold hands and cheer for everyone no matter what because the world is good, and there is no such thing as passion for players and games. Let's get a list of those who boo'd and execute them as they don't deserve to live for being such despicable human beings. How dare they boo for a player who they didn't want to win.
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Providence was definitely the worst crowd in terms of enthusiasm since Koreans started coming over. Those Leenock chants after he beat MVP and DRG were sick though. I don't think you should be telling people who to cheer for though. Those people paid money to be there and have the right to cheer or boo whoever they want, even if it's in bad taste.
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The crowd didnt do anything wrong. As far as I'm concerned, this is how crowds act at sporting events.
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
you're an idiot, and it doesn't matter
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On November 21 2011 11:37 Itsmedudeman wrote:
You do realize people do this in EVERY MAJOR SPORT??? In fact, have you ever been to a high school football game or basketball game where the other team's names are being called? You know what happens to Lebron James every god damn city he enters now?
But yes, dear God, let's not boo someone because we all need to hold hands and cheer for everyone no matter what because the world is good, and there is no such thing as passion for players and games. Let's get a list of those who boo'd and execute them as they don't deserve to live for being such despicable human beings. How dare they boo for a player who they didn't want to win.
Wow. Ok.
I thought we were creating our own sport here using the good aspects of "major sports".
Anyways, in some ways i agree with you, but we're also seeing a myriad of topics spring up from "BM" and how players are "hurting the sport" (in part why i chose the sensationalist title). I think it's relevant to analyze the impact of crowd behavior as well. I'm not the one to decide on absolutes but as a fellow enthusiast i raise the point to discussion.
When asked to "give a cheer" - that shouldn't be followed by any booing. That's my opinion on the matter, maybe someone shares it - let's find out through communicating with each other.
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Same for leaving early, happens in every major sport too
also i liked how you used "injured" instead of hurting xDDD
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They crowd did nothing to hinder esports, don't blow this out of proportion. Sure they might not have been perfect, but they were still a crowd that was still cheering. The games were amazing regardless and this tournament will probably cause more growth in esports.
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Worst usage of the "this is hurting esports" joke ever.
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I understand booing is part of sports but I don't understand the mentality of this community at times. It's like thousands of people are just sitting around waiting for the opportunity to jump on a witch hunt that inevitably leads to baseless accusations, a ridiculous amount of insults and hundreds of posts discrediting everything naniwa (in this scenario) was able to achieve in this weekend. That alone takes a lot of fun out of it for me.
Maybe I'm soft skinned because I've been watching bw half my life, and korean culture is radically different in that regard, but I will be sticking with GSL and pro league from this point on. People behaving like idiots in my opinion is acceptable in threads where I'll be able to avoid it, but booing crowds just pisses me off, and that takes the fun out of spectating for me.
I'm sure esports will be perfectly fine though. ^^
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I think the bigger injury/disappointment to ESPORTS is when people talk about something that happened and give an opinion on it without describing what happened and when it happened. People that weren't watching are left to guess who got boo'd and why, context of the situation, and any other relevant detail. Given that people around these parts often blow things up to be bigger than they are I'm not sure if this was really a big deal. The bits I watched seemed to have a less energetic crowd than previous MLGs, but the volume is turned down for crowd cheers and it could be that the dial was turned down a bit much.
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On November 21 2011 11:48 zakmaa wrote:
They crowd did nothing to hinder esports, don't blow this out of proportion. Sure they might not have been perfect, but they were still a crowd that was still cheering. The games were amazing regardless and this tournament will probably cause more growth in esports.
Of course. That's true for pretty much every event with a few exceptions (PPL comes to mind). Again, the reason for choosing the title is that whenever a player is bad mannered, does something controversial - the argument immediately springs up that "OMG he's (it's usually a he) hurting eSports! How will people look at us now!?!?".
While i mostly disagree with the contents of those player related topics, let's not be hypocrites. The eSports movement goes beyond the players and this time i think the crowds behavior was worth discussing. Just like when they boo'd the showing of CoD a couple events back.
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A crowd's a crowd. And when the sport is slowly going mainstream then you can expect it to slowly change and have similarities with other mainstream sporting events. It's not the olympics, that's for sure.
Also, when you refer to the e-sports community, it's basically not limited to just the actual venue of the event anyway, as such, it has a broader crowd that is not physically seen on site.
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Germany25658 Posts
Its funny that esports is flourishing really well eventhough its getting hurt 5 times a day 
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I couldn't make it to the barcraft montreal this time but I was there last time, the place was empty before the ending ceremony even started 
It's normal... A bit sad, but normal. And frankly there's a chance I would have left, depending on my mood at the time.
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You won't please everybody.
It doesn't matter if they boo or cheer. As long as you get a reaction you are doing something right. Also, streams don't do justice to a live crowd either.
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Wow seriously? Lol totally disagree with everything. If I dislike a player I can't voice it?
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On November 21 2011 11:46 Rekrul wrote:
you're an idiot, and it doesn't matter
Hahahah LOL... good response.
It doesn't matter, people voice out their opinion like this all the time. Booing is normal.
Being disrespectful to other players is a lot more worrying, not talking about nani's incident but the usual Idra/lalush type of thing. That's what people should be worried about, the audience's opinions and how they express them doesn't really matter unless they're hurting something.
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On November 21 2011 11:37 Itsmedudeman wrote:
You do realize people do this in EVERY MAJOR SPORT??? In fact, have you ever been to a high school football game or basketball game where the other team's names are being called? You know what happens to Lebron James every god damn city he enters now?
But yes, dear God, let's not boo someone because we all need to hold hands and cheer for everyone no matter what because the world is good, and there is no such thing as passion for players and games. Let's get a list of those who boo'd and execute them as they don't deserve to live for being such despicable human beings. How dare they boo for a player who they didn't want to win.
This guy summed it up pretty well. Shit happens at these events. Learn to deal with it.
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I don't really know about this. In my opinion, the boos would be suitable if the community was larger. But the fact is, we are a small community, no matter how you look at it. Meh.
It just seems to me that everyone right now is nice to everyone. There are no real "I hate you" relationships out there. Being a flourishing community, it's all about support, and boos are the exact opposite of support. It's animosity.
As far as cheers go, freaking weak. There were so many people there, but they didn't even seem to get as loud as Anaheim. Super disappointing, but it is what it is, and probably isn't that big of a deal. Just doesn't give you that feel-good.
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