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On November 21 2011 12:44 Thrill wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 12:35 micronesia wrote:
The point of this thread is to increase the strength of the negative message/statement sent to the criticized player? I didn't get that impression. Point of the thread is to discuss crowd behavior at live events, in this case specifically booing during player introductions. I've never heard any boos during BW events and don't see why it's necessary to implement given the advent of SC2. In either case you raised the point of booing being an important outlet for crowd feedback to players. I agree partly but still think booing can be replaced by silence for a more polite, familiar environment.
But aren't you making a blog criticizing the crowd? And not just criticizing, but saying, for one reason or another, that "injuring esports?" The reason why you made this, and keep responding, is not so theres an open outlet for discussion. It's so you can make sure that your views are especially heard on the matter, even though the same topic is being discussed in the LR thread itself. That's what people do all the time. It's natural. The reason you're making this blog is the same reason why the crowd will not be "silent" as a more polite form of criticism. People want to have their voices heard.
When its that far in a tournament, when theres so much drama, your not just going to not cheer(personally that would be way worse haha. I'd rather have boos than silence.) Heck, a minority of people were booing. It wasn't like it was the whole crowd. Most people just cheered for the opponet, only a select minority boo'd naniwa. And I don't see how you can say that when a crowd is that passionate, (because if they're booing your know it means they care), that its injuring esports. Passion can only make things grow.
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On November 21 2011 13:00 DreamChaser wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 12:57 sam!zdat wrote:On November 21 2011 12:21 TheLOLas wrote:On November 21 2011 11:37 Itsmedudeman wrote:
You do realize people do this in EVERY MAJOR SPORT??? In fact, have you ever been to a high school football game or basketball game where the other team's names are being called? You know what happens to Lebron James every god damn city he enters now?
But yes, dear God, let's not boo someone because we all need to hold hands and cheer for everyone no matter what because the world is good, and there is no such thing as passion for players and games. Let's get a list of those who boo'd and execute them as they don't deserve to live for being such despicable human beings. How dare they boo for a player who they didn't want to win. This guy summed it up pretty well. Shit happens at these events. Learn to deal with it. NO! Starcraft is a sport for manly people who are manner and have honor; The emphasis on manner and sportmanship was one of the things I admired about bw and I hope that sc2 can grow the same balls despite the influx of gamer kids/casuals who don't know the true meaning of esports.
If I wanted to hang out with drunken assholes I would go to a football game, I want to hang out with esports fans who are smart and manner and treat everybody with respect because that's what starcraft is about. Seriously? Like how do i approach this? Elitist? thats possibly the most ignorant post i have read here. You just completely grouped people together like your some sort of fucking genius. You assume SC fan= smart and Football fan =Drunken idiot? So how does one be fan of both? I'm not even going to write up a long post to dissect your ignorant fucking post.
This man knows whats up, its quite amazing how small-minded and judgmental some people can be, as though their own interests are only validated through shitting on others. Guess what sam!zdat, I want to celebrate my passion for Sc2 just like I do my Green Bay Packers, whaddya gonna do about it bub?
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On November 21 2011 13:11 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 13:00 DreamChaser wrote:On November 21 2011 12:57 sam!zdat wrote:On November 21 2011 12:21 TheLOLas wrote:On November 21 2011 11:37 Itsmedudeman wrote:
You do realize people do this in EVERY MAJOR SPORT??? In fact, have you ever been to a high school football game or basketball game where the other team's names are being called? You know what happens to Lebron James every god damn city he enters now?
But yes, dear God, let's not boo someone because we all need to hold hands and cheer for everyone no matter what because the world is good, and there is no such thing as passion for players and games. Let's get a list of those who boo'd and execute them as they don't deserve to live for being such despicable human beings. How dare they boo for a player who they didn't want to win. This guy summed it up pretty well. Shit happens at these events. Learn to deal with it. NO! Starcraft is a sport for manly people who are manner and have honor; The emphasis on manner and sportmanship was one of the things I admired about bw and I hope that sc2 can grow the same balls despite the influx of gamer kids/casuals who don't know the true meaning of esports.
If I wanted to hang out with drunken assholes I would go to a football game, I want to hang out with esports fans who are smart and manner and treat everybody with respect because that's what starcraft is about. Seriously? Like how do i approach this? Elitist? thats possibly the most ignorant post i have read here. You just completely grouped people together like your some sort of fucking genius. You assume SC fan= smart and Football fan =Drunken idiot? So how does one be fan of both? I'm not even going to write up a long post to dissect your ignorant fucking post. This man knows whats up, its quite amazing how small-minded and judgmental some people can be, as though their own interests are only validated through shitting on others. Guess what sam!zdat, I want to celebrate my passion for Sc2 just like I do my Green Bay Packers, whaddya gonna do about it bub?
Then you go and do exactly the same thing?
In a sporting event where it's individuals competing I think it's extremely rude to boo at them, and that it should be reserved for when they actually deserve to be booed. Heckling on the other hand would be awesome.
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In "real sports" there are situations where you dont boo. I also dont remember anyone booing in BW during "1-2-3 x y z fighting", but since I didnt watched it much - if someone could prove me wrong there I'd appreciate it.
So why not make the "Give a cheer for X" the same non-booing moment? It's also disrespectful towards the fans of that player (or else we have booing competitions - great! ...)
If you want to boo - do it. But dont justify it with "everyone else - everywhere else is doing it too!". It's very disrespectful and normally associated with ultras.
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On November 21 2011 13:24 Aeropunk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 13:11 farvacola wrote:On November 21 2011 13:00 DreamChaser wrote:On November 21 2011 12:57 sam!zdat wrote:On November 21 2011 12:21 TheLOLas wrote:On November 21 2011 11:37 Itsmedudeman wrote:
You do realize people do this in EVERY MAJOR SPORT??? In fact, have you ever been to a high school football game or basketball game where the other team's names are being called? You know what happens to Lebron James every god damn city he enters now?
But yes, dear God, let's not boo someone because we all need to hold hands and cheer for everyone no matter what because the world is good, and there is no such thing as passion for players and games. Let's get a list of those who boo'd and execute them as they don't deserve to live for being such despicable human beings. How dare they boo for a player who they didn't want to win. This guy summed it up pretty well. Shit happens at these events. Learn to deal with it. NO! Starcraft is a sport for manly people who are manner and have honor; The emphasis on manner and sportmanship was one of the things I admired about bw and I hope that sc2 can grow the same balls despite the influx of gamer kids/casuals who don't know the true meaning of esports.
If I wanted to hang out with drunken assholes I would go to a football game, I want to hang out with esports fans who are smart and manner and treat everybody with respect because that's what starcraft is about. Seriously? Like how do i approach this? Elitist? thats possibly the most ignorant post i have read here. You just completely grouped people together like your some sort of fucking genius. You assume SC fan= smart and Football fan =Drunken idiot? So how does one be fan of both? I'm not even going to write up a long post to dissect your ignorant fucking post. This man knows whats up, its quite amazing how small-minded and judgmental some people can be, as though their own interests are only validated through shitting on others. Guess what sam!zdat, I want to celebrate my passion for Sc2 just like I do my Green Bay Packers, whaddya gonna do about it bub? Then you go and do exactly the same thing? In a sporting event where it's individuals competing I think it's extremely rude to boo at them, and that it should be reserved for when they actually deserve to be booed. Heckling on the other hand would be awesome.
I criticized nothing but the notion that anyone has the right to dictate how others show their passion, if Sc2 is to grow further then a holistic acceptance of the incredibly diverse background of the fanbase is par for the course mate. Some love football and show their passion by screaming obscenities at the tv, others quietly cheer for their favorite team, to each their own.
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I'd boo on the top of my lungs if the intro was for deezer
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On November 21 2011 13:08 Pandain wrote:
People want to have their voices heard.
Absolutely. I'm all for it! I don't mind taking heat over this or the shortcomings of my blog at all. It's my opinion and it's open to scrutiny.
What i write here is something tangible that you can respond to though. Booing isn't. Booing may very well represent a well thought-out opinion but how does that help anyone respond to it? A crowd isn't the forum to voice your opinion, it's a forum for expressing your enthusiasm.
If the fire department comes in and says "there's too much people in here, we need to kick some out" - go right ahead and boo. Boo at MLG for ignoring fire regulations, boo at the department for being party poopers (they're used to it!) - but let's leave booing out of the player interaction.
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On November 21 2011 13:24 Aeropunk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 13:11 farvacola wrote:On November 21 2011 13:00 DreamChaser wrote:On November 21 2011 12:57 sam!zdat wrote:On November 21 2011 12:21 TheLOLas wrote:On November 21 2011 11:37 Itsmedudeman wrote:
You do realize people do this in EVERY MAJOR SPORT??? In fact, have you ever been to a high school football game or basketball game where the other team's names are being called? You know what happens to Lebron James every god damn city he enters now?
But yes, dear God, let's not boo someone because we all need to hold hands and cheer for everyone no matter what because the world is good, and there is no such thing as passion for players and games. Let's get a list of those who boo'd and execute them as they don't deserve to live for being such despicable human beings. How dare they boo for a player who they didn't want to win. This guy summed it up pretty well. Shit happens at these events. Learn to deal with it. NO! Starcraft is a sport for manly people who are manner and have honor; The emphasis on manner and sportmanship was one of the things I admired about bw and I hope that sc2 can grow the same balls despite the influx of gamer kids/casuals who don't know the true meaning of esports.
If I wanted to hang out with drunken assholes I would go to a football game, I want to hang out with esports fans who are smart and manner and treat everybody with respect because that's what starcraft is about. Seriously? Like how do i approach this? Elitist? thats possibly the most ignorant post i have read here. You just completely grouped people together like your some sort of fucking genius. You assume SC fan= smart and Football fan =Drunken idiot? So how does one be fan of both? I'm not even going to write up a long post to dissect your ignorant fucking post. This man knows whats up, its quite amazing how small-minded and judgmental some people can be, as though their own interests are only validated through shitting on others. Guess what sam!zdat, I want to celebrate my passion for Sc2 just like I do my Green Bay Packers, whaddya gonna do about it bub? Then you go and do exactly the same thing? In a sporting event where it's individuals competing I think it's extremely rude to boo at them, and that it should be reserved for when they actually deserve to be booed. Heckling on the other hand would be awesome.
I mean, the crowd thought that naniwa cheated vs nestea, everyones idol of zerg. It was there idea of deserving to be booed. But honestly, i dont think they continued booing for him throughout the night, i heard cheers by naniwas name.
On the topic of the op: chill out, naniwa shud be able to get over the sad feelings because he didnt cheat and later people clapped for him, its part of being a public figure, and he has it way easier than a certain female gsl caster did..
And about the part about everyone leaving before the ceremony: to each their own. I would not of left had i been there(prolly would of gotten a better seat. But it shudnt be a big deal
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Well if he was booed after talking trash to a major favorite then what's the controversy over?
As for leaving early, it happens in most sports. Would be good to see more people stick around though.
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Is expressing my opinion of a player ok?
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Next time you edit your OP, please change "price ceremony" to "prize ceremony" or something else. :x
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On November 21 2011 11:34 Thrill wrote:
2. You seriously don't have 10 extra minutes to spare on the prize ceremony? These were the national finals! With the mass exodus that followed the last game, it's not like you're gonna "beat traffic". It's disrespectful to the tournament organizers, the sponsors behind the price money and trophy and the press covering the event. More than anything, it came off as you were a bunch of anti-fans who never really cheered for anyone to win but rather someone to lose. Mad props to those who stayed without being press, a player or part of the organization though.
This is the only problem I had. Very much a WTF moment when I saw all those people leave. I realize it's Sunday night everyone is probably ready to get home but come on.
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On November 21 2011 11:37 Itsmedudeman wrote:
You do realize people do this in EVERY MAJOR SPORT??? In fact, have you ever been to a high school football game or basketball game where the other team's names are being called? You know what happens to Lebron James every god damn city he enters now?
But yes, dear God, let's not boo someone because we all need to hold hands and cheer for everyone no matter what because the world is good, and there is no such thing as passion for players and games. Let's get a list of those who boo'd and execute them as they don't deserve to live for being such despicable human beings. How dare they boo for a player who they didn't want to win.
That is not true at all for sports where athletes are not part of a team.
You well never hear booing in Golf, Tennis, Track, Swimming, etc.
The reason there is booing in team events is because normally the crowds are booing the team and not the specific players except for rare occasions such as Lebron.
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I honestly didn't find anything terrible about what happened to Naniwa. I think you are reading too much into the booing but its a shame people don't stick around for the ceremony.
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I'd rather they boo then cheer for someone they obviously don't like just so they don't hurt their feelings. Also, there's nothing wrong with people leaving, the games ended fairly late on a Sunday after a long weekend and some of the people who left probably came back after using the bathroom.
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there should be no problem with booing imo. This is a sport. you goto football games(or whatever sport) and boo the team u don't want to win right? It should be no different with sc2. And who cares if people left. Whatever, its there choice. All this "hurting esports" talk is downright silly. If anything badmanner and booing makes it more interesting and exciting.
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Personally I would cheer on all competitors just so that way we can see even better games. When Pros are in a strong state of mind they're going to perform proficiently, and so I would root for them to do so!
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Welcome to sports where booing actually happens!....
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People can feed off hate just as well as any other emotion and perform well to prove doubters wrong. Nothing wrong with having the heel/face dynamic in a 1v1 competition.
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