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In my opinion, when you are not familiar with the details of the map pool, and due to the pending chaos, respond publicly with "joke tournament," it entitles the crowd to boo you during the remainder of the tournament.
IMO this shouldn't carry over to the future. I don't agree with your blanket statement that boo-ing during "cheer for x" moments should never be done. Personally I wouldn't do it but I can think of many extreme examples which demonstrate that a blanket statement really isn't viable here (what if OJ Simpson was playing on the big stage... I shouldn't boo him when they say "cheer for OJ!"?)
edit: I also neglected to mention, but the thing I described above isn't the only thing Naniwa has "done" XD I don't want his Esports career ended but the community doesn't have a short memory either.
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Because this is a sport, it should be noted that such events happen in every sport.
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On November 21 2011 12:25 micronesia wrote:
In my opinion, when you are not familiar with the details of the map pool, and due to the pending chaos, respond publicly with "joke tournament," it entitles the crowd to boo you during the remainder of the tournament.
IMO this shouldn't carry over to the future. I don't agree with your blanket statement that boo-ing during "cheer for x" moments should never be done. Personally I wouldn't do it but I can think of many extreme examples which demonstrate that a blanket statement really isn't viable here (what if OJ Simpson was playing on the big stage... I shouldn't boo him when they say "cheer for OJ!"?)
edit: I also neglected to mention, but the thing I described above isn't the only thing Naniwa has "done" XD I don't want his Esports career ended but the community doesn't have a short memory either.
I don't know, i think i still disagree with you. You shouldn't boo even if it was OJ. Let's say it was Deezer up there playing. I think silence makes a stronger statement.
A crowd booing, a classroom laughing, a website (*hrm* reddit) grabbing their pitchforks and lighting their torches - it's all feedback that often just serves to "reward" bad behavior. Deezer and Combat obviously crave attention in whatever shape or form.
Silence would be a stronger statement.
No one is forcing you to cheer - but by booing, you're either gonna hurt someones feelings or reward a villain.
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Sensationalist posts like this do far more to negatively impact the scene by encouraging the notion that Sc2 fans are like the OP, judgmental, self-assured, and overly critical. Some people boo, a lot of tired people wanted to leave after the last game, so what? Lay reader, I implore you, we are not like the OP, some of us simply enjoy watching and playing Sc2, we are all not so anal.
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On November 21 2011 12:33 Thrill wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 12:25 micronesia wrote:
In my opinion, when you are not familiar with the details of the map pool, and due to the pending chaos, respond publicly with "joke tournament," it entitles the crowd to boo you during the remainder of the tournament.
IMO this shouldn't carry over to the future. I don't agree with your blanket statement that boo-ing during "cheer for x" moments should never be done. Personally I wouldn't do it but I can think of many extreme examples which demonstrate that a blanket statement really isn't viable here (what if OJ Simpson was playing on the big stage... I shouldn't boo him when they say "cheer for OJ!"?)
edit: I also neglected to mention, but the thing I described above isn't the only thing Naniwa has "done" XD I don't want his Esports career ended but the community doesn't have a short memory either. I don't know, i think i still disagree with you. You shouldn't boo even if it was OJ. Let's say it was Deezer up there playing, or more realistically - Cruncher in the Cruncher v. Idra situation a couple of MLG's back. I think silence makes a stronger statement. The point of this thread is to increase the strength of the negative message/statement sent to the criticized player? I didn't get that impression.
A crowd booing, a classroom laughing, a website (*hrm* reddit) grabbing their pitchforks and lighting their torches - it's all feedback that often just serves to "reward" bad behavior. Deezer and Combat obviously crave attention in whatever shape or form.
Silence would be a stronger statement.
No one is forcing you to cheer - but by booing, you're either gonna hurt someones feelings or reward a villain.
Your idealism is admirable and completely detached from any reality worth discussing, I think.
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Booing is perfectly normal and is seen in pretty much ALL sports. As ESPORTS is getting bigger we will be seeing more of this. However, I do think people should stay at the ending ceremony but it's really up to the individuals choice if he wants to or not.
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When an event is nonstop games for 3 days straight it's hard to get mad at people for wanting to go home late on a sunday night lol
Personally I had to leave before the semis which sucked.
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On November 21 2011 12:35 micronesia wrote:
The point of this thread is to increase the strength of the negative message/statement sent to the criticized player? I didn't get that impression.
Point of the thread is to discuss crowd behavior at live events, in this case specifically booing during player introductions. I've never heard any boos during BW events and don't see why it's necessary to implement given the advent of SC2. In either case you raised the point of booing being an important outlet for crowd feedback to players. I agree partly but still think booing can be replaced by silence for a more polite, familiar environment.
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I did not really notice it. As long as the player can handle it I think it can be good for the scene. We need both heroes and villains to make the player relations exciting. The scene would be less interesting without players the spectators love to hate.
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Another thing about the booing that may be a valid point: When you boo Lebron, it's not at home. When you boo Naniwa however, it's a neutral stage. Just putting that out there.
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naniwa is awesome (dont know about his "past" as micro suggested), shame i wasnt there coz i would have shut those booers up with cheers overwhelming
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On November 21 2011 11:45 zOula... wrote:
The crowd didnt do anything wrong. As far as I'm concerned, this is how crowds act at sporting events.
Yup, i wont say i was in favor of NaNi or against. But people always says "E-Sports is real sports" Real sports people boo and cheer for their team. Now sports are played in stadiums so there is bias toward home team. But guess what? If we want E-Sports to grow this is going to be a part of players lives. What do you want form this thread? people to sympathize and say "Oh man that providence crowd is killing E-Sports" Seriously if your a player and want to be cheered on don't be as controversial as Naniwa. Take White-Ra for example I can almost guarantee you when White-Ra plays no body is booing him. Why because he loves the fucking community he signs people autographs/shake hands till his damn arm falls off. He doesn't BM other players hes courteous to everyone and thats why people love White-Ra.
I wont Say Naniwa is a terrible person but hes had a few bumps. One of them was calling Nestea and Idiot after beating him in MLG global. Which is why Nestea said he was going to crush him. Convenient you left that part out huh?
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Someone should make a PSA about it being prizepool not pricepool. I see that error a lot and I don't think many people realized it is a mistake.
Anyway, yeah booing is for dicks.
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On November 21 2011 12:49 Dalguno wrote:
Another thing about the booing that may be a valid point: When you boo Lebron, it's not at home. When you boo Naniwa however, it's a neutral stage. Just putting that out there.
Before he left Cleveland Lebron got destroyed by the fickle fans of the mistake by the lake, in a competitive scene that wishes to encourage passionate fandom, booing is simply part of the deal.
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The best thing anyone has said regarding the topic.
Irrelevant of the fact that you're going to also be targeted by the self-righteous mob, what you're saying is objectively correct. The crowd treated one of our own as a villain for simply trying to show a little personality and make things entertaining - yet we, as a collective decide to spit in his face.
Kind of disgusting really.
On November 21 2011 11:46 Rekrul wrote:
you're an idiot, and it doesn't matter
So I suppose once you receive some form of community prominence, you don't actually have to post any content other than simply project an ad-hominem at the OP. That's cool.
But really, I'm not in for the whole (OMG SAVING E-SPORTS WITH SUPER MANNER <3 DAY9 E-SPORTS <3<3) bullshit, but I'm just concerned as to what happened to the general consensus that we should root for the western players.
Sure, it's rather primitive, but atleast it's something can unite under. It's not very often that a western player dominates the best Koreans in the world consecutively - so why on earth is he being ostracised for such insignificant matters?
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On November 21 2011 12:21 TheLOLas wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 11:37 Itsmedudeman wrote:
You do realize people do this in EVERY MAJOR SPORT??? In fact, have you ever been to a high school football game or basketball game where the other team's names are being called? You know what happens to Lebron James every god damn city he enters now?
But yes, dear God, let's not boo someone because we all need to hold hands and cheer for everyone no matter what because the world is good, and there is no such thing as passion for players and games. Let's get a list of those who boo'd and execute them as they don't deserve to live for being such despicable human beings. How dare they boo for a player who they didn't want to win. This guy summed it up pretty well. Shit happens at these events. Learn to deal with it.
NO! Starcraft is a sport for manly people who are manner and have honor; The emphasis on manner and sportmanship was one of the things I admired about bw and I hope that sc2 can grow the same balls despite the influx of gamer kids/casuals who don't know the true meaning of esports.
If I wanted to hang out with drunken assholes I would go to a football game, I want to hang out with esports fans who are smart and manner and treat everybody with respect because that's what starcraft is about.
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On November 21 2011 12:44 Thrill wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 12:35 micronesia wrote:
The point of this thread is to increase the strength of the negative message/statement sent to the criticized player? I didn't get that impression. Point of the thread is to discuss crowd behavior at live events, in this case specifically booing during player introductions. I've never heard any boos during BW events and don't see why it's necessary to implement given the advent of SC2. In either case you raised the point of booing being an important outlet for crowd feedback to players. I agree partly but still think booing can be replaced by silence for a more polite, familiar environment.
WHAT? We know the common age group of SC2 players is something like 16-24 (It is a little arbitrary but not completely off) You expect these young males to be silent? When the crowd is happy do you expect them to politely clap? Even in golf now a days people people are yelling and cheering contrary to the "Golf clap".
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On November 21 2011 12:57 sam!zdat wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 12:21 TheLOLas wrote:On November 21 2011 11:37 Itsmedudeman wrote:
You do realize people do this in EVERY MAJOR SPORT??? In fact, have you ever been to a high school football game or basketball game where the other team's names are being called? You know what happens to Lebron James every god damn city he enters now?
But yes, dear God, let's not boo someone because we all need to hold hands and cheer for everyone no matter what because the world is good, and there is no such thing as passion for players and games. Let's get a list of those who boo'd and execute them as they don't deserve to live for being such despicable human beings. How dare they boo for a player who they didn't want to win. This guy summed it up pretty well. Shit happens at these events. Learn to deal with it. NO! Starcraft is a sport for manly people who are manner and have honor; The emphasis on manner and sportmanship was one of the things I admired about bw and I hope that sc2 can grow the same balls despite the influx of gamer kids/casuals who don't know the true meaning of esports.
If I wanted to hang out with drunken assholes I would go to a football game, I want to hang out with esports fans who are smart and manner and treat everybody with respect because that's what starcraft is about.
Seriously? Like how do i approach this? Elitist? thats possibly the most ignorant post i have read here. You just completely grouped people together like your some sort of fucking genius. You assume SC fan= smart and Football fan =Drunken idiot? So how does one be fan of both?
I'm not even going to write up a long post to dissect your ignorant fucking post.
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naniwa is killing esports by calling it a joke tournament in front of everyone, im glad he got boo'd
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People left right away because they had been standing there for 11 hours straight or more. My feet, knees, and back are killing me right now!
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