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Foreigner Scene > Korean Scene.
The Mecca of Starcraft 2 needs to be in America.
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KingRajesh
United States927 Posts
SC2 > BW Foreigner Scene > Korean Scene. The Mecca of Starcraft 2 needs to be in America. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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xHerodotusx
United Kingdom114 Posts
I question whether KESPA will be able to play as heavy-handidly as they did in BW, largely due to Blizzard denying LAN, although I don't think GOM will be much of an issue for them to tackle. I can't see GOM being able to stand up in any kind of fight against KESPA for control over SC2 broadcasting rights, KESPA is simply too strong. It will be interesting, if this all goes through, to see whether the foreign scene will be able to pick it up and compete with the Koreans. Maybe this will be the impetus needed; or it could just result in a subpar foreign scene that has no interaction with the Korean one. | ||
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yawnoC
United States3704 Posts
I doubt they will ... but I can hope. | ||
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
On October 29 2011 12:36 Nayl wrote: This just seem like fear mongering. SC2 and SCBW are two completely different monster. Kespa ignored foreign scene in BW because there wasn't much of a "scene" to begin with. Where as with SC2, there is a very solid foreign scene that Kespa can use to grow a scene in Korea (Hey look, the world is playing this game!) as well as contributing to scene outside of Korea (JD/Bisu/Jangbi/fantasy visiting blizzcon). Also as long as Gretech holds the right to broadcast SC2 in Korea, we have someone that's check-and-balancing KesPA from monopolizing the scene the way they did in BW. It stupid to even consider it monopolizing. You wouldn't say FIFA is monopolizing football. It's just attempting to be an official body for eSports there. Not sure why people are so comfortable with Gretech, a business that exists to make a profit (and is just under the total whim of Blizzard anyway), controlling the SC2 scene more than KeSPA. Not to say they wouldn't monetize their tournaments in a similar way but least the money is supposed to all go back into funding the whole scene. I'd be more worried about Blizzard's total control than anything else. Not only taking a cut of revenue despite it being free promotion, which is lame in the first place. Relocating the GSL finals to Blizzcon, while it was maybe a good move for the foreign scene how do Korean's feel about their primary tournament being halfway across the world? Their actions there already seem to annoy a lot of people since the launch. On October 29 2011 13:00 Treadmill wrote: The one thing I really don't understand about KeSPA is how they became the gatekeepers between sponsors and players. Its a mystifying situation for which I really can't see any equivalents - especially considering that KeSPA isn't essentially an ancillary organization to the BW scene. KeSPA are the sponsors.. it's made up from representatives of the various sponsors. | ||
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TedJustice
Canada1324 Posts
I think things won't stay this way forever. And as long as we can still see entertaining, high level games, I'll be happy, no matter who's participating. | ||
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T0fuuu
Australia2275 Posts
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taldarimAltar
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rasers
Sweden691 Posts
oh and "Kespa Forced them out of Gom Leagues?" i mean just 2 weeks ago there was the poll with "how much Broodwar in a week" and players opinions. and they all said it was 2 much right now. and then people still want a 3rd league? while 2 were already freaking 2 much?. the players didnt care abotu the gom league they didnt even practice for it so they pulled out in the end. | ||
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Bayyne
United States1967 Posts
Regarding the relocation of this past GSL finals to Blizzcon: I'm sure GOM was the one interested in doing that, not Blizzard forcing them to play @ Blizzcon. I don't think the viewership numbers are public, but I can guess that this past GSL finals was probably really high up there in views. Regarding KESPA, as many have mentioned we will need to see how both Blizz and Gretech handles the broadcasting license issue that would surely arise. Personally, I just don't think KESPA would have such strict entry requirements once everything becomes mobilized into SC2. The game right now is too big on a global scale, and it will only get bigger. | ||
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DEN1ED
United States1087 Posts
On October 29 2011 11:32 Cataphract wrote: Blizzard controls Starcraft 2. No LAN means KeSPA can't just start up a tournament without their permission. If KeSPA starts to kill relationships with the foreign scene, don't set up english streams, and what not, Blizzard could theoretically step in and say "Hey, that's not cool guys." No LAN in the game is the best thing Blizzard did to prevent situations like the one that happened in BW. All the power is in Blizzard's corner. You act like blizzard has all the power and 100% complete control. There is a reason bliz invited BW pros to blizzcon. They want what kespa has. Top players. Blizzard wants kespa to switch to SC2 because it will increase the popularity of their game. If blizzard doesn't allow kespa some freedom to run things how they want, they will just keep playing BW. People in here are acting like kespa is begging blizzard to let them broadcast SC2 and they are going to have to bend over backwards to every little blizzard command. | ||
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AndAgain
United States2621 Posts
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GuiltyJerk
United States584 Posts
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Polarexia
United States383 Posts
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mtvacuum
United States979 Posts
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TheGiftedApe
United States1243 Posts
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Gann1
United States1575 Posts
On October 29 2011 15:54 GuiltyJerk wrote: Why couldn't the foreign scene just continue? It might slow down, but I doubt I'm alone in that I'd have no problem watching foreigner only tournaments especially if there's some monopoly that makes the only broadcasts out of Korea in Korean only. this is what happened in BW. it was shitty for the foreign scene, as you can see by the fact that everyone switched to sc2 when it came out. you don't want this, trust me. | ||
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PHC
United States472 Posts
On October 29 2011 15:50 AndAgain wrote: What would KESPA have against foreign fans/players? That part isn't explained anywhere. The fact that it shunned English casting in BW doesn't prove anything. SC2 popularity outside of Korea far exceeds that of BW, so to turn away the foreign market would be giving up potential profit. Some of you guys have weird conceptions of how business works. They don't have anything against foreigners at all. Once again, KeSPA represents the sponsors funding the league. GOM goes out of its way because their product is consumed globally. They have a foreigner house, Code A spots for foreigners, and English casting for its primary consumers, which happen to speak English. Why would companies such as SK-Telecom and Hwaseung, Hite, Lecaf, etc. have any interest in a foreign market when their products are only consumed in Korea? Why would a Korean bank, a Korean cell-phone company, a Korean beer company, etc... want to set up English casting for their Starcraft league, when their consumers and target audience are 99% Korean? There is no way a Korean corporation is stupid enough to invest money in English casting if their products are only consumed by Koreans. If you want to see English casting, it would have to be approved by KeSPA and be funded by a different source (such as Blizzard). Think about it. If you are a corporation that makes products that can only be consumed in a single country, why would you waste funding and advertising money to cater to anyone outside of said country? Why should they treat foreign progamers any differently from Korean progamers (in terms of Code-A spots, separate training house, etc)? Unless you have global corporations that are willing to invest millions of dollars to sponsor professional Starcraft teams in Korea, the system will stay in place. I don't know, maybe McDonald's or Coca-Cola or Pepsi can be convinced to fund the teams to improve their reputations in a niche market? One can only hope. | ||
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edoZ
Canada14 Posts
On October 29 2011 07:48 motbob wrote: Hmm, you say that that consideration is minimal but I don't agree. Remember: a lot of us veterans used to spend a great deal of time watching Korean BW with Korean commentary and loving every bit of it. The skill of the players made it all worth watching, and we didn't need an English voice telling us why we were enjoying ourselves. If SC2 were to both receive a massive infusion of talent and lose all English streams from Korea due to GOM's death, I would not complain too much. The "key players" that we would lose would be replaced by Kespa. They would probably not have any interaction with the foreign community, but they would fulfill their job of strengthening the Korean esports scene well enough. The mix 'n' match going on right now will be a non-factor whenever GOM becomes a non-factor. Do you really think that Kespa is going to bring eight-odd teams into its fold? I really like your "I am a vet and I know everything" tactic. It really extends your e-penis. Am I right? User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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kota
Denmark84 Posts
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PHC
United States472 Posts
On October 29 2011 17:40 edoZ wrote: I really like your "I am a vet and I know everything" tactic. It really extends your e-penis. Am I right? They were both addressing some good points, yet you decide to write insults instead of adding to the discussion, what, all because he used the word "veteran", which he is? If you don't understand something, why not ask? | ||
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