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turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
October 29 2011 01:11 GMT
#81
surely a huge difference overlooked in the original post in the amount of money in the foreign scene of sc2 compared to bw. korea may have big name sponsorships, but now so does the foreign scene. and with the might of blizzard more actively involved in promoting esports kespa has a real reason to give a shit.

kespa has been a dick in the past, but now if they want to grow as a company, get their players to an international market that they know already exists, they will need to play ball with everyone else. their closed market views on things really does make me kinda mad. imagine how bw could be in korea if they supported grass roots play and promoted their sport to the rest of the world. how much bigger could brood war of been? who knows, but now with sc2 we get to see that ESPORTS can be global and kespa has to take to note of this.
Lavalamp799
Profile Joined March 2011
United States554 Posts
October 29 2011 01:15 GMT
#82
It's hard for me to see this happening. I'm sure players won't have as much say as to what happens, but with players like MKP overwhelmed by what foreigners will do just to see their favorites play, and all the Koreans who have came over to MLGs, Blizzcon, etc, it seems improbable that they would want to play in a league that didn't cater to foreign fans or players whatsoever. However, it seems like Kespa will have much more money, and people always lean towards the money.. Not to forget that Kespa will have an entire new crowd to the SC2 scene with all the BW teams switching over. I hope that Bisu, Jaedong, Jangbi, and Fantasy who came to Blizzcon really enjoyed the foreigners and the crowds, and would want to see the foreigners be able to watch their games with an English stream. But again, players seem like they would not even be involved in these decisions for the most part, and I doubt they would boycott.

On the other hand, when you think of sports like baseball, basketball, etc.. There are always different leagues for different countries. The difference in SC2 is that we have started out with the entire world mixing into different leagues, and like it (for the most part) how it is. I just hope for the best, and hope GOM and Kespa can co-exist, both offering English streams.

jjhchsc2
Profile Joined December 2010
Korea (South)2393 Posts
October 29 2011 01:17 GMT
#83
hmmmm i am pretty sure flash won courage on his first try .
great read!
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Stiluz
Profile Joined October 2010
Norway688 Posts
October 29 2011 01:18 GMT
#84
On October 29 2011 07:48 motbob wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2011 07:38 Torte de Lini wrote:
On October 29 2011 07:34 motbob wrote:
On October 29 2011 07:25 Torte de Lini wrote:
On October 29 2011 07:20 motbob wrote:
On October 29 2011 06:55 Torte de Lini wrote:
There's no upside to this? You make it sound like Kespa is all bad news with a bump of legitimacy and professionalism within Korea (but not outside)

Once again, you've failed to read the entire post.


I read the whole thing, do you want me to summarize and dictate which points I'm referring to and how little how positive points you make besides the beginning layered introduction that introduces Kespa and its high standards?

There is clearly an upside to this whole situation. It's definitely a good thing for us, the SC2 spectators. I make that pretty clear at the end of the post. Without Kespa you cannot have the BW top talent.


Yeah, but those are minimal. Of course the bar is raised in terms of standards of "high-level" play, but the exchange is more and we lose the english narrative that you were talking about and eventually we lose the key players we have now in terms of business people, companies and/or more players and thus the separation of players in Korea and Foreigners is strengthened.

Will this affect the mix 'n' match that we have going on now? Koreans on Foreign teams and vice-versa? If this separation does ensue, will new foreign blood begin to propser faster as they are given more opportunity given Koreans are back in their base and thus a void must be filled with potentially new players?

That's what I'm wondering.

Hmm, you say that that consideration is minimal but I don't agree. Remember: a lot of us veterans used to spend a great deal of time watching Korean BW with Korean commentary and loving every bit of it. The skill of the players made it all worth watching, and we didn't need an English voice telling us why we were enjoying ourselves. If SC2 were to both receive a massive infusion of talent and lose all English streams from Korea due to GOM's death, I would not complain too much.

The "key players" that we would lose would be replaced by Kespa. They would probably not have any interaction with the foreign community, but they would fulfill their job of strengthening the Korean esports scene well enough.

The mix 'n' match going on right now will be a non-factor whenever GOM becomes a non-factor. Do you really think that Kespa is going to bring eight-odd teams into its fold?


Yes, that may appeal to hardcore veterans or players, but what has made SC2 so big internationally this time around has been English casters, bringing tons of casual fans (the majority of the fans and players, the casual bronze-gold league players).

If there is a split in the broadcasting and only international tournaments get international exposure, the scene will be split anyway, and loses a lot of its international appeal (I can imagine far less non-Korean pros would go to Korea if they would get less international exposure. After all, their sponsors are outside of Korea with a few exceptions.)

I have many friends that watch SC2, mostly casual players, but I'm sure that if there were to be any form of split, less English streams, less non-Koreans at the top competing with Koreans... they wouldn't care anymore. Hell, I feel I'm a fairly hardcore sc2 stream viewer, and I would never, ever, watch a Korean stream without the likes of Tastosis etc.

I really pray Kespa will not play an important role in the SC2 scene in the years to come. I want what we have now, a hugely growing scene with great player, great tournaments with a lot of storylines (Idra vs MC f. ex) and players I can relate to.

No pro-license bullshit, absolutely anyone with talent can go in an open bracket and prove themselves or get scouted by a team. Are we getting the S-level games? Hm, hard to say. But I'd rather watch an A+ game between IdrA and Bomber, than an S-level game between Jaedong and Flash with only Korean commentaries and a more closed and split SC2 community.
sondrizzle
Profile Joined October 2011
Norway15 Posts
October 29 2011 01:25 GMT
#85
I haven't thoroughly read the other posts here, so I don't know if I'll be repeating things said earlier; however: I don't think that Kespa will ever be able to regress back to days of BW simply because of how tight Blizzard controls Battle.net. Since every game must go through a server owned by Blizzard they can control who is allowed to play, and since Blizzard goes directly into tournaments were the prize money goes over 5000 USD, they have a lot more control than they had in BW.

Furthermore; the Koreans probably realize that there is a lot of prize money in the foreign scene, and although some of the BW pros have a lot more in salaries than those that play SC2, you cannot completely disregard the prize money. MC for instance made over 200 000 USD in prize money during his prime some time back.

I'm a bit wary however considering how things went before, but I'm positive that the change will be positive for everybody following eSports.
BuddhaMonk
Profile Joined August 2010
781 Posts
October 29 2011 01:27 GMT
#86
I disagree for two reasons.

First, Korean players will now have a legitimate choice if they don't like a very hardline Kespa. If a guy like Huk can get a roughly ~80k/year salary, that represents an option for top tier Korean players that did not exist in BW.

The second is the international audience cannot be ignored. In BW there was no international scene to speak of, but despite all of Kespa's faults (which you outlined in your post) they are not stupid and they like money. International audiences represent growth and cash for them.

Both of these forces are out of Kespa's control and will put pressure on them. If your doomsday scenario were to occur, I would guarantee that we would see a big split among Korean players, some joining foreign teams, maybe even some of the top players joining foreign teams. This would be a disaster for Kespa.
suejak
Profile Joined March 2010
Japan545 Posts
October 29 2011 01:29 GMT
#87
I just don't think the OP has any idea how the world works... How can you ignore such a large market? The foreign scene for SC2 is like 1000x as big as the foreign scene for BW. The laws of the world dictate that this scene will be acknowledged and exploited. There is absolutely no way in hell that KESPA would ever simply shut out the foreign market for SC2.

It's absurd and stupid, wow. The OP must never read the real news or take any classes on real things.
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Snorkle
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1648 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-29 01:31:09
October 29 2011 01:30 GMT
#88
There are many questions to be answered if Kespa starts SC2. They likely will not bring the GSL teams into their SC2 leage.
Does that mean that Kespa will once again keep its players from playing in GOM leagues?
Many Korean players right now attend MLG, Dreamhack, IEM etc. by having a foreign team they are partnered with foot the travel bill. Will Kespa allow players to travel the world to every major tournament as is the current state of SC2 tournaments?
Even if they do, I find it hard to think that Korean telecommunication companies would be interested in paying for players to fly to the NA or EU to play as the people watching can not even purchase their product if they wanted to. That is not very effective advertising. More like a waste of money.
suejak
Profile Joined March 2010
Japan545 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-29 01:33:47
October 29 2011 01:32 GMT
#89
On October 29 2011 10:30 Snorkle wrote:
There are many questions to be answered if Kespa starts SC2. They likely will not bring the GSL teams into their SC2 leage.
Does that mean that Kespa will once again keep its players from playing in GOM leagues?
Many Korean players right now attend MLG, Dreamhack, IEM etc. by having a foreign team they are partnered with foot the travel bill. Will Kespa allow players to travel the world to every major tournament as is the current state of SC2 tournaments?
Even if they do, I find it hard to think that Korean telecommunication companies would be interested in paying for players to fly to the NA or EU to play as the people watching can not even purchase their product if they wanted to. That is not very effective advertising. More like a waste of money.

Who would be willing to pay? International companies. SC2 is bigger than Korea. This isn't BW. Fuck SK Telecom, man. Think bigger.

You know how many people were paid to travel around the world regularly to play BW? Pretty sure that answer is about zero.

You know how many people are paid to travel around the world regularly to play SC2? Dozens! At least!
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Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11393 Posts
October 29 2011 01:34 GMT
#90
On October 29 2011 10:17 jjhchsc2 wrote:
hmmmm i am pretty sure flash won courage on his first try .
great read!

He lost to Jangbi.

Q: You will meet (T)Flash in the Round of 8.
A: (T)Flash is a player that after his debut, has been continuing to put out consistent results. He has received attention ever since he was a practice partner and has been reigning as the best player for over 5 years. But as for me, I have a positive momentum following me. I have an experience where I defeated Flash in the 2005 Courage Tournament finals and acquired qualification to become a semi-progamer.
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Lord_J
Profile Joined April 2011
Kenya1085 Posts
October 29 2011 01:38 GMT
#91
Although I share your concerns to some extent, I do think the amount of money in the international scene will act as somewhat of a check on Kespa's ability to exercise the kind of monopolistic power it did in BW.
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bearbuddy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3442 Posts
October 29 2011 01:40 GMT
#92
What the. It's not that Kespa is actively trying to hinder foreign gamers, it's simply that they're not on par in BW. How are they "anti-competitive" when they're rewarding good players pro-licenses in a tournament format? It's the ultimate objective measure. Win the damn thing and be a pro, not win it and stay an amateur. The OGN dual league is the perfect proof. Every amateur that qualified via the amateur bracket got smashed by the pros, the games were unspectacular, and the whole thing turned out to be a waste of time.

I'm getting confused about the whole debacle between KesPA and GOM intel classic. KesPA didn't forbid the teams from participating in Intel Classic s3, the teams themselves chose not to participate (notably OGN and MBC because they are the starcraft channels, after all). KeSPA sanctioned the event. GOM then folded because of the lack of interest. I'm not connecting the dots of Kespa killing intel classic and isolating the foreign community.
Yamulo
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States2096 Posts
October 29 2011 01:47 GMT
#93
To be fair I don't think Gom will die at this point. Maybe if this news came out like 5 months ago, but I think that they have a big enough foreign following to continue. I hope so anyway,
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infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-29 01:54:34
October 29 2011 01:52 GMT
#94
On October 29 2011 10:18 Stiluz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2011 07:48 motbob wrote:
On October 29 2011 07:38 Torte de Lini wrote:
On October 29 2011 07:34 motbob wrote:
On October 29 2011 07:25 Torte de Lini wrote:
On October 29 2011 07:20 motbob wrote:
On October 29 2011 06:55 Torte de Lini wrote:
There's no upside to this? You make it sound like Kespa is all bad news with a bump of legitimacy and professionalism within Korea (but not outside)

Once again, you've failed to read the entire post.


I read the whole thing, do you want me to summarize and dictate which points I'm referring to and how little how positive points you make besides the beginning layered introduction that introduces Kespa and its high standards?

There is clearly an upside to this whole situation. It's definitely a good thing for us, the SC2 spectators. I make that pretty clear at the end of the post. Without Kespa you cannot have the BW top talent.


Yeah, but those are minimal. Of course the bar is raised in terms of standards of "high-level" play, but the exchange is more and we lose the english narrative that you were talking about and eventually we lose the key players we have now in terms of business people, companies and/or more players and thus the separation of players in Korea and Foreigners is strengthened.

Will this affect the mix 'n' match that we have going on now? Koreans on Foreign teams and vice-versa? If this separation does ensue, will new foreign blood begin to propser faster as they are given more opportunity given Koreans are back in their base and thus a void must be filled with potentially new players?

That's what I'm wondering.

Hmm, you say that that consideration is minimal but I don't agree. Remember: a lot of us veterans used to spend a great deal of time watching Korean BW with Korean commentary and loving every bit of it. The skill of the players made it all worth watching, and we didn't need an English voice telling us why we were enjoying ourselves. If SC2 were to both receive a massive infusion of talent and lose all English streams from Korea due to GOM's death, I would not complain too much.

The "key players" that we would lose would be replaced by Kespa. They would probably not have any interaction with the foreign community, but they would fulfill their job of strengthening the Korean esports scene well enough.

The mix 'n' match going on right now will be a non-factor whenever GOM becomes a non-factor. Do you really think that Kespa is going to bring eight-odd teams into its fold?


Yes, that may appeal to hardcore veterans or players, but what has made SC2 so big internationally this time around has been English casters, bringing tons of casual fans (the majority of the fans and players, the casual bronze-gold league players).

If there is a split in the broadcasting and only international tournaments get international exposure, the scene will be split anyway, and loses a lot of its international appeal (I can imagine far less non-Korean pros would go to Korea if they would get less international exposure. After all, their sponsors are outside of Korea with a few exceptions.)

I have many friends that watch SC2, mostly casual players, but I'm sure that if there were to be any form of split, less English streams, less non-Koreans at the top competing with Koreans... they wouldn't care anymore. Hell, I feel I'm a fairly hardcore sc2 stream viewer, and I would never, ever, watch a Korean stream without the likes of Tastosis etc.

I really pray Kespa will not play an important role in the SC2 scene in the years to come. I want what we have now, a hugely growing scene with great player, great tournaments with a lot of storylines (Idra vs MC f. ex) and players I can relate to.

No pro-license bullshit, absolutely anyone with talent can go in an open bracket and prove themselves or get scouted by a team. Are we getting the S-level games? Hm, hard to say. But I'd rather watch an A+ game between IdrA and Bomber, than an S-level game between Jaedong and Flash with only Korean commentaries and a more closed and split SC2 community.


Don't you understand what is happening in games without a caster telling you how everything is epic and amazing?

As many people have said anyway this topic is kinda weird, it's basically criticizing KeSPA for not making handicaps for foreign players and apparently courage and other things being a result of xenophobia. Which i think is totally wrong.
suejak
Profile Joined March 2010
Japan545 Posts
October 29 2011 01:54 GMT
#95
On October 29 2011 10:52 infinity2k9 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2011 10:18 Stiluz wrote:
On October 29 2011 07:48 motbob wrote:
On October 29 2011 07:38 Torte de Lini wrote:
On October 29 2011 07:34 motbob wrote:
On October 29 2011 07:25 Torte de Lini wrote:
On October 29 2011 07:20 motbob wrote:
On October 29 2011 06:55 Torte de Lini wrote:
There's no upside to this? You make it sound like Kespa is all bad news with a bump of legitimacy and professionalism within Korea (but not outside)

Once again, you've failed to read the entire post.


I read the whole thing, do you want me to summarize and dictate which points I'm referring to and how little how positive points you make besides the beginning layered introduction that introduces Kespa and its high standards?

There is clearly an upside to this whole situation. It's definitely a good thing for us, the SC2 spectators. I make that pretty clear at the end of the post. Without Kespa you cannot have the BW top talent.


Yeah, but those are minimal. Of course the bar is raised in terms of standards of "high-level" play, but the exchange is more and we lose the english narrative that you were talking about and eventually we lose the key players we have now in terms of business people, companies and/or more players and thus the separation of players in Korea and Foreigners is strengthened.

Will this affect the mix 'n' match that we have going on now? Koreans on Foreign teams and vice-versa? If this separation does ensue, will new foreign blood begin to propser faster as they are given more opportunity given Koreans are back in their base and thus a void must be filled with potentially new players?

That's what I'm wondering.

Hmm, you say that that consideration is minimal but I don't agree. Remember: a lot of us veterans used to spend a great deal of time watching Korean BW with Korean commentary and loving every bit of it. The skill of the players made it all worth watching, and we didn't need an English voice telling us why we were enjoying ourselves. If SC2 were to both receive a massive infusion of talent and lose all English streams from Korea due to GOM's death, I would not complain too much.

The "key players" that we would lose would be replaced by Kespa. They would probably not have any interaction with the foreign community, but they would fulfill their job of strengthening the Korean esports scene well enough.

The mix 'n' match going on right now will be a non-factor whenever GOM becomes a non-factor. Do you really think that Kespa is going to bring eight-odd teams into its fold?


Yes, that may appeal to hardcore veterans or players, but what has made SC2 so big internationally this time around has been English casters, bringing tons of casual fans (the majority of the fans and players, the casual bronze-gold league players).

If there is a split in the broadcasting and only international tournaments get international exposure, the scene will be split anyway, and loses a lot of its international appeal (I can imagine far less non-Korean pros would go to Korea if they would get less international exposure. After all, their sponsors are outside of Korea with a few exceptions.)

I have many friends that watch SC2, mostly casual players, but I'm sure that if there were to be any form of split, less English streams, less non-Koreans at the top competing with Koreans... they wouldn't care anymore. Hell, I feel I'm a fairly hardcore sc2 stream viewer, and I would never, ever, watch a Korean stream without the likes of Tastosis etc.

I really pray Kespa will not play an important role in the SC2 scene in the years to come. I want what we have now, a hugely growing scene with great player, great tournaments with a lot of storylines (Idra vs MC f. ex) and players I can relate to.

No pro-license bullshit, absolutely anyone with talent can go in an open bracket and prove themselves or get scouted by a team. Are we getting the S-level games? Hm, hard to say. But I'd rather watch an A+ game between IdrA and Bomber, than an S-level game between Jaedong and Flash with only Korean commentaries and a more closed and split SC2 community.


Don't you understand what is happening in games without a caster telling you how everything is epic and amazing?

Some of you guys just go to such lengths to show exactly how far in the hardcore niche you are.

I don't even watch most of my SC2; I listen to it out of one ear.
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Fission
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada1184 Posts
October 29 2011 01:58 GMT
#96
There's way too much money in the international fanbase to ignore. Kespa isn't stupid, they're going to want a piece of the pie.
Goibon
Profile Joined May 2010
New Zealand8185 Posts
October 29 2011 02:01 GMT
#97
I'm not even concerned about Kespa not giving foreigners free rides into tourneys like GSL does. I appreciate GSL for catering to foreigners, as a gesture it is a postive one and its surely great PR (it does more good than it does bad). But for me it's not required, and to expect anyone to bend over for foreigners and put their needs above their own countrymen is pretty crazy.

What does scare me is the thought that i will have to watch kespa run events to see the best play. My moral code won't allow me to do that until the P is put back into Kespa.
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infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-29 02:07:48
October 29 2011 02:02 GMT
#98
I don't consider myself hardcore i just can see what happens in the games.. seeing the play is the entertaining part. I can watch a replay and be entertained. I can watch a Korean cast and be entertained even more; with the help of solely the atmosphere. To be honest every 'professional' English caster i've heard actually grates on me; over-used terms, exaggeration constantly, not willing to call a blatantly won game, in some cases lack of knowledge and horrible calls on the play. It feels fake.

Edit: and i agree with the post on this page about the GOM Classic being a teams choice not to be involved... the schedule of the MSL/OSL/Proleague alone affects players performances very clearly. It was just never needed. People seem to have a seriously manufactured outrage against KeSPA on here, including people who were not even around before 2010. The main issue from BW fans was simply some harsh rules which allowed some games where players got disqualified. Now it was silly, but they were the decided rules and the referee at the time made the decisions. From those now the KeSPA myth has got into ridiculous evil empire levels; most people still don't even understand how the organization is made up of the sponsors and not a totally separate entity. People keep going on about them being greedy and solely trying to make money when it's a non-profit organization. Now a staff member makes a post like this and it's pretty much misleading and making the myth even worse.
Stiluz
Profile Joined October 2010
Norway688 Posts
October 29 2011 02:04 GMT
#99
On October 29 2011 10:52 infinity2k9 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2011 10:18 Stiluz wrote:
On October 29 2011 07:48 motbob wrote:
On October 29 2011 07:38 Torte de Lini wrote:
On October 29 2011 07:34 motbob wrote:
On October 29 2011 07:25 Torte de Lini wrote:
On October 29 2011 07:20 motbob wrote:
On October 29 2011 06:55 Torte de Lini wrote:
There's no upside to this? You make it sound like Kespa is all bad news with a bump of legitimacy and professionalism within Korea (but not outside)

Once again, you've failed to read the entire post.


I read the whole thing, do you want me to summarize and dictate which points I'm referring to and how little how positive points you make besides the beginning layered introduction that introduces Kespa and its high standards?

There is clearly an upside to this whole situation. It's definitely a good thing for us, the SC2 spectators. I make that pretty clear at the end of the post. Without Kespa you cannot have the BW top talent.


Yeah, but those are minimal. Of course the bar is raised in terms of standards of "high-level" play, but the exchange is more and we lose the english narrative that you were talking about and eventually we lose the key players we have now in terms of business people, companies and/or more players and thus the separation of players in Korea and Foreigners is strengthened.

Will this affect the mix 'n' match that we have going on now? Koreans on Foreign teams and vice-versa? If this separation does ensue, will new foreign blood begin to propser faster as they are given more opportunity given Koreans are back in their base and thus a void must be filled with potentially new players?

That's what I'm wondering.

Hmm, you say that that consideration is minimal but I don't agree. Remember: a lot of us veterans used to spend a great deal of time watching Korean BW with Korean commentary and loving every bit of it. The skill of the players made it all worth watching, and we didn't need an English voice telling us why we were enjoying ourselves. If SC2 were to both receive a massive infusion of talent and lose all English streams from Korea due to GOM's death, I would not complain too much.

The "key players" that we would lose would be replaced by Kespa. They would probably not have any interaction with the foreign community, but they would fulfill their job of strengthening the Korean esports scene well enough.

The mix 'n' match going on right now will be a non-factor whenever GOM becomes a non-factor. Do you really think that Kespa is going to bring eight-odd teams into its fold?


Yes, that may appeal to hardcore veterans or players, but what has made SC2 so big internationally this time around has been English casters, bringing tons of casual fans (the majority of the fans and players, the casual bronze-gold league players).

If there is a split in the broadcasting and only international tournaments get international exposure, the scene will be split anyway, and loses a lot of its international appeal (I can imagine far less non-Korean pros would go to Korea if they would get less international exposure. After all, their sponsors are outside of Korea with a few exceptions.)

I have many friends that watch SC2, mostly casual players, but I'm sure that if there were to be any form of split, less English streams, less non-Koreans at the top competing with Koreans... they wouldn't care anymore. Hell, I feel I'm a fairly hardcore sc2 stream viewer, and I would never, ever, watch a Korean stream without the likes of Tastosis etc.

I really pray Kespa will not play an important role in the SC2 scene in the years to come. I want what we have now, a hugely growing scene with great player, great tournaments with a lot of storylines (Idra vs MC f. ex) and players I can relate to.

No pro-license bullshit, absolutely anyone with talent can go in an open bracket and prove themselves or get scouted by a team. Are we getting the S-level games? Hm, hard to say. But I'd rather watch an A+ game between IdrA and Bomber, than an S-level game between Jaedong and Flash with only Korean commentaries and a more closed and split SC2 community.


Don't you understand what is happening in games without a caster telling you how everything is epic and amazing?

As many people have said anyway this topic is kinda weird, it's basically criticizing KeSPA for not making handicaps for foreign players and apparently courage and other things being a result of xenophobia. Which i think is totally wrong.


Of course I do. I would still find it far, far less entertaining though, like watching football without commentary (only exception being being live at the actual stadium with 100,000 other fans, but how often can I do that?)
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October 29 2011 02:06 GMT
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On October 29 2011 09:59 motbob wrote:
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On October 29 2011 09:31 Plexa wrote:
Sorry motbob, but what the fuck did I just read? This is so misinformed and anti-kespa that my head hurts. Why do you think they introduced the 2 free progamer licences per team? A lot of people think that it was to give PJ and LX licences when they were training on SKT. kespa haven't been putting up barriers to foreign sc, we were just too noob to get in. And I would also argue that there was more at work in the GOM league vs Kespa than kespa asserting their monopoly over the scene.

I dunno, I think that you might be misunderstanding my position towards Kespa. I don't think that Kespa are the "bad guys" or anything. The Korean scene might well have been better off with only OGN and MBC broadcasting games. It's probably a good policy (again, for the Korean scene) to restrict entry to individual leagues to only progamers with licenses. I definitely don't think that Kespa is trying to disadvantage foreigners by design.

But Kespa, OGN, and MBC have a long history of simply not caring about foreign spectators, while GOM has a history of trying to reach out to them. GOM's past actions continued with their excellent foreigner SC2 broadcasts. I don't think that Kespa/OGN will attempt to similarly gain foreign viewership, and I think they'll run GOM out of business by being a million times better then them.

I don't think that you can deny that it will be more difficult for foreigners to make it to Korea to practice under a traditional Kespa system than under the protections and benefits that GOM has offered. Similarly I can't see Kespa making a deal with MLG in the same vein of MLG's partenership with GOM.

This isn't really an anti-Kespa blog, I think. It's just a neutral prediction of what I think will happen. I would be perfectly happy with a purely Korean scene with awesome play and loud Korean commentary.
Afaik, GOM were taking a loss on the Classic seasons by catering to foreign audiences. It just wasn't a profitable venture. I think OGN/MBC had a different goal in setting up their leagues. For starters, there was no esports industry when they started and they did the pioneering work to get things sustainable. That meant finding sponsors that catered to their korean audience - and as such focused on trying to be sustainable. After all, OGN always streamed content from WCG afaik even when xellos/silent_control were eliminated ^^. I wouldn't say that they were anti-foreigner rather that it was a unprofitable venture. Afaik, OGN milked the foreigner presence in the early days of BW as well (e.g. Grrr and Elky).

GOM's MLG seed is basically a way for Code S players who fell to Code B to get back in the easy way. Just look at who they have sent out each season.
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