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Moobutt
United States1996 Posts
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Jetaap
France4814 Posts
If Kespa tries to do the same thing with sc2 that they did with bw it will fail, there is too much interest in the western world to ignore it. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
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zZygote
Canada898 Posts
On October 29 2011 07:10 Itsmedudeman wrote: I think there are a few things in place to prevent this from happening. Blizzard has more control over sc2 than sc1 right now, and I highly doubt they're going to let another organization take so much control over the game. Also, for the most part, it seems to me that a lot of sc2 players, coaches, and Mr. Chae are all anti-Kespa policies. When you're only looking internationally though. When you magnify the stars in the BW scene and KeSPA's backing, you'll quickly notice who's who in Korea. | ||
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kamikami
France1057 Posts
On October 29 2011 06:51 Integra wrote: I don't understand how the history will repeat itself regarding Kespa taking over again since Blizzard now more or less dictates what Kespa can and cannot do with Starcraft2. Kespa have government power, they will just get the upper hand when dealing with a company like Blizzard. When Blizzard brought the BW issue to court Kespa didn't even care a bit because there's just no way Blizzard can beat them in court at all. In the other hand, the government and the companies that made Kespa are clearly interested in spreading esport to the world, so of course they will reach out to the international market. I think they will have dedicated stream for foreigners and English casting. But one thing for sure is that they won't give foreigners "easier access" or "automatic advantage" in their tournament, and it's a good thing. There's 0 reason that a white dude should be given reserved places in tournaments where others must spend 16 hours a day practicing during many months to get in. If one want to play in a tournament, he should use his skill to obtain it by defeating other contenders. | ||
motbob
United States12546 Posts
On October 29 2011 06:55 Torte de Lini wrote: There's no upside to this? You make it sound like Kespa is all bad news with a bump of legitimacy and professionalism within Korea (but not outside) Once again, you've failed to read the entire post. | ||
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BadWithNames
United States441 Posts
It's sad really. That wall finally came down and RTS e-sports finally became a glorious world wide shared event. Koreans traveling everywhere, foreigner and Korean teams working hand in hand, Koreans doing english interviews that were actually filled with personality rather than the boring PR coached crap. As a fan, I want the BW players but I want nothing to do with KeSPA. So much so that if KeSPA had to come with the players, I'd just rather they keep playing Broodwar. The only person that would have any power to make sure that KeSPA doesn't undo all the progress we've seen is Blizzard and I'm not sure I have faith in them on the business side. I'll put a little more faith in KeSPAs need to control and maintain their status quo and hope it's enough to keep them out of SC2. | ||
ZeromuS
Canada13410 Posts
Since Blizz will need to give KeSPA the rights to broadcast and hold tournaments, they will hopefully have clauses that prevent anti-competitive practices to take place. If they monopolize the game in Korea and shut out foreigners etc. It is entirely possible that Blizzard won't renew contracts. Furthermore, the fact SC2 has such a strong start in the foreign scene means that hopefully the players themselves won't want to be stuck in Korea. If GSL continues and MLG remains a major event players might choose to forego a kespa league if it means they will never leave Korea. They might want to come to the US or go to a dreamhack and experience it. Hopefully globalization will lead to the end of KeSPA's anti competition practices and force them to keep it open. Further, they will need to buckle to an english broadcast eventually if they want to compete with the GSL internationally which may be the saving grace this time around. With the international scene so big to ignore it is a mistake with regards to business decisions. To assume we will just watch a KeSPA league and ignore everything else is very naive if this is the position KeSPA takes. Those are my 2 cents though I'm not sure how valid they will be a year from now. I hope they bear fruit and we don't see starcraft fragmented again. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On October 29 2011 07:20 motbob wrote: Once again, you've failed to read the entire post. I read the whole thing, do you want me to summarize and dictate which points I'm referring to and how little how positive points you make besides the beginning layered introduction that introduces Kespa and its high standards? | ||
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Thrill
2599 Posts
On October 29 2011 06:22 motbob wrote: In that case, SC2 will be split into two scenes, foreign and Korean, with the bulk of the talent in one tiny country. It'll be Brood War all over again. In some ways, yes - but the foreigner scene will still be big, albeit, much worse than the one in Korea. The big thing is that there's now money in the foreign scene, there's never been before. KeSPA respects money. If Quantic and EG want their players in a KeSPA league, the deciding factor will be qualifiers and skill. Do we really want an "Airforce Ace" team consisting mainly of foreigners that gets to be in the league but always does bad and loses with a few exceptions that keep us cheering for old heroes? There's only ONE way to save foreigners in Korea and that's skill. You say all this stuff about blocking teams and new players from the leagues. While that's somewhat true - it ignores the major factor here: after a certain point in history there was no foreigner fit for televised games. It would have been embarrassing, it would have been a slaughter. We had Draco and Tyler who on raw talent could muster up some insane games where they beat the Koreans, but consistently? No way. Even if the entire foreign BW scene (every WCG participant) was moved to Korea and put in team houses for practice, it wouldn't have been enough - we were too far behind. With SC2 we're not really that far behind, but it's going to take corporate sponsorship and a lot more talented players sent to Korea for us to ever remain a factor there. Next time Slasher makes a bet for his hair, it'll be for a foreigner to even make it into (past the qualifiers) of a Starleague. Currently - if even just half of the BW scene moves to SC2 - there's not a single foreigner who could make it in one years time. Starting with the strategy reset that will follow with HotS - we need at least twenty foreigners living and practicing in Korea. Or we're faced with a split scene. | ||
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
On October 29 2011 07:25 Torte de Lini wrote: I read the whole thing, do you want me to summarize and dictate which points I'm referring to and how little how positive points you make besides the beginning layered introduction that introduces Kespa and its high standards? There is clearly an upside to this whole situation. It's definitely a good thing for us, the SC2 spectators. I make that pretty clear at the end of the post. Without Kespa you cannot have the BW top talent. | ||
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Zanno
United States1484 Posts
If GOM dies due to all of the talent and sponsorship money being on Kespa's side, all of those benefits for foreigners will disappear. If Kespa does things the way they used to, it will be impossible for an EG player to participate in Korean SC2. It is also unlikely that OGN or MBC (if MBC still exists by then, which is doubtful) will provide an English stream. i think this is the most important reason why history will not repeat itself if you recall, the official reason that gom got strong-armed out of kespa, was that the teams were apparently complaining that it was too much work to prepare for 3 individual leagues on top of proleague. in reality what this really meant was that when the team's star had 2-3 individual leagues to prepare for instead of 1-2, their proleague performance would suffer, which pissed off the sponsors, because proleague is where they get most of their exposure so, now that mbcgame is disbanding, there is only osl left. so this time around, there will be room for gsl to participate in kespa. you are probably right that kespa's involvement may squeeze out the foreign players, except for maybe one or two, if even that. but, i think now that the market for sc has shrunk a bit, there's room for gsl, so I wouldn't be too worried about the future of english commentary, at least | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On October 29 2011 07:34 motbob wrote: There is clearly an upside to this whole situation. It's definitely a good thing for us, the SC2 spectators. I make that pretty clear at the end of the post. Without Kespa you cannot have the BW top talent. Yeah, but those are minimal. Of course the bar is raised in terms of standards of "high-level" play, but the exchange is more and we lose the english narrative that you were talking about and eventually we lose the key players we have now in terms of business people, companies and/or more players and thus the separation of players in Korea and Foreigners is strengthened. Will this affect the mix 'n' match that we have going on now? Koreans on Foreign teams and vice-versa? If this separation does ensue, will new foreign blood begin to propser faster as they are given more opportunity given Koreans are back in their base and thus a void must be filled with potentially new players? That's what I'm wondering. | ||
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murphs
Ireland418 Posts
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fyndor
United States159 Posts
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Chicane
United States7875 Posts
I really hope they aren't as strict this time around. SC2 can grow very well globally if they allow for foreigners to train and participate in tournaments in Korea, though I still wonder if foreigners will fall more quickly behind with all the support sc2 players will get in Korea. It will be interesting to see how things will turn out, but it seems like there will be a lot of big news soon.... hopefully for the better. | ||
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KillerDucky
United States498 Posts
On October 29 2011 06:22 motbob wrote: The entry of the Kespa-sanctioned teams into SC2 cannot be interpreted as anything but a very good thing for spectators of SC2. On October 29 2011 06:22 motbob wrote: It is also unlikely that OGN or MBC (if MBC still exists by then, which is doubtful) will provide an English stream. If they do not provide an English stream, then it would be a very bad thing for (English speaking) spectators of SC2! | ||
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SkimGuy
Canada709 Posts
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Flanagan
United States166 Posts
From what I've gathered with my short history of BW (aka reading the Starcraft Bible and doing a project that made me research bw history + relation w/ KeSPA)... Korean teams never necessarily had partnerships with foreign teams as they do now (QxG + IM, EG + SlayerS, coL + MVP, etc...)... wouldn't there be a lot more pressure on KeSPA to work with teams, since the teams can go "No, these foreigners are on our teams, why aren't you letting them participate? | ||
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
On October 29 2011 07:38 Torte de Lini wrote: Yeah, but those are minimal. Of course the bar is raised in terms of standards of "high-level" play, but the exchange is more and we lose the english narrative that you were talking about and eventually we lose the key players we have now in terms of business people, companies and/or more players and thus the separation of players in Korea and Foreigners is strengthened. Will this affect the mix 'n' match that we have going on now? Koreans on Foreign teams and vice-versa? If this separation does ensue, will new foreign blood begin to propser faster as they are given more opportunity given Koreans are back in their base and thus a void must be filled with potentially new players? That's what I'm wondering. Hmm, you say that that consideration is minimal but I don't agree. Remember: a lot of us veterans used to spend a great deal of time watching Korean BW with Korean commentary and loving every bit of it. The skill of the players made it all worth watching, and we didn't need an English voice telling us why we were enjoying ourselves. If SC2 were to both receive a massive infusion of talent and lose all English streams from Korea due to GOM's death, I would not complain too much. The "key players" that we would lose would be replaced by Kespa. They would probably not have any interaction with the foreign community, but they would fulfill their job of strengthening the Korean esports scene well enough. The mix 'n' match going on right now will be a non-factor whenever GOM becomes a non-factor. Do you really think that Kespa is going to bring eight-odd teams into its fold? | ||
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