EPTKespa & SC2 - Page 10
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Insomni7
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MrMedic
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ThaZenith
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Which is more important? Having superior games to watch, or having foreign players to cheer for? But really, could KESPA completely ignore the huge growth in foreign SC2 scene? In Brood War it might have made sense, since foreign viewership would have been tiny compared to nowadays. Now there are tons more people, and more incentive to include us. In my opinion they'll have to cater to us at least a bit, or else they're potentially losing a lot of viewers. | ||
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Bagration
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Garnet
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dakalro
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
On October 31 2011 01:29 Insomni7 wrote: This article is taking speculation way too far. There is no reason to believe that kespa will find any way to knock GOM out of the scene. Any more so than Dreamhack is likely to knock IEM out of the scene. SCII is a new scene. I don't see any way KEspa can walk in and wreck whats already built. Gom may no longer be the biggest tournament around, but it will certainly be relevant. Also consider that koreans will continue to come to foriegn tournament and join foreign teams. There are things at work in SCII which cannot be stopped. I firmly believe that. Uhh you think KeSPA teams started to practice the game without any real reason? Considering KeSPA had no motivation to so before it seems clear Blizzard conceded their total control to benefit growth of the game (finally). I don't think Blizzard will cut Gretech out though, that's true. It can all be part of a structure with the GSL simply as an individual league, but who knows it seems like it will be pretty complex to balance it all. The thing is, is it too late? Or did it not even matter in the first place, because i don't see any reports of much growth in the Korean playerbase of the game. It's not like people don't know about the game it was advertised everywhere. It seems to be a bit of a niche. I don't think being on OGN when eSports has been on the steady decline as a whole over there is going to make it take off, it needs to be players then eSports not the other way around. As for going into the international market, they will provide English commentators if the opportunity is there, of course. But i don't know what else people think they can/will do.. it's not like Proleague format is suited to anything worldwide, it needs to be centered somewhere. If the top level of SC2 has to be centered in Korea i don't see whats the big deal though. Also we know the foreigner scene probably won't die, it'll just not allow Koreans (or limit them to a tiny amount like now) and ignore the skill divide. | ||
motbob
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On August 09 2012 02:20 motbob wrote: With the news today about KeSPA granting progaming licenses to anyone who makes Code A or S, every prediction in this blog has turned out to be inaccurate. Oh i haven't heard about kespa giving out progaming licenses but that's good to see. Are progaming licenses still required to try out for OSL? Or is it just for proleague? I ask because I know this OSL foreigners and anyone could try to qualify, but I am wondering if that's going to change next osl? | ||
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madsweepslol
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On August 09 2012 02:20 motbob wrote: With the news today about KeSPA granting progaming licenses to anyone who makes Code A or S, every prediction in this blog has turned out to be inaccurate. http://www.gomtv.net/forum/view.gom?topicid=224034&cid=0&kind=8 Starting to sound pretty accurate to me. edit I mean, it could be that you were wrong, but it depends on if kespa offers more reasoning than 'a huge project' and scheduling conflicts. I don't buy the skill gap arguement, either, since a) kespa players did well at wcs and b) they're letting gom players compete in osl, so... o.O I dunno | ||
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TemujinGK
United States483 Posts
Flash, Jaedong, Bisu, Stork, Fantasy, Hydra, Roro Established names that I've sat in awe of for years. But if it came down to it, I'm standing with GOM. They've messed up in the past, and their stream is sometimes unwatchable, but dammit I'm going to watch all the same. There was not even a inkling of the kind of scene there was last time in the foreign domain. KeSPA has no incentive to cater to foreigners, except SAMSUNG Khan all the sponsors of teams are almost exclusively Korean Oriented. GOM will survive, GOM must survive. Fuck you KeSPA, if Blizzard doesn't do it in the announcement incoming, the foreign scene will protect GOM till our collective last breath. | ||
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Nightops
United States66 Posts
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Danka
Peru1018 Posts
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TommyP
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Djagulingu
Germany3605 Posts
On August 24 2012 11:56 TommyP wrote: As long as Gom has Tastosis they are safe (lets be honest I watched WCS Oceania because they were there.) Most The Foreign community views GSL as the most prestigious tournament in the world at the moment (that could change with OSL switching over to SC2) and they have the Casting Archon!!!! Gom has probably have made very little money so far from Korean viewers and even if GSL doesnt catch on in Korea, its made it this far with most of its money coming from foreigners why cant that continue? GOM's services are all free for Koreans while we have to pay just to watch the VODs, once per every season. They get nothing but ad revenues over there. Majority of their earnings are from us foreigners. | ||
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Newbistic
China2912 Posts
Even though Kespa has got some big names I respect a lot I think it would be good for Esports of Kespa teams just got repeated crushed by GOM teams every time they show their face. That's the only real leverage GOM has, the talent of their players to attract viewers. | ||
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TommyP
United States6231 Posts
On August 24 2012 16:06 Djagulingu wrote: I'm OK with KeSPA domination. I can watch the best production with the biggest talent pool and while not paying a dime. GOM's services are all free for Koreans while we have to pay just to watch the VODs, once per every season. They get nothing but ad revenues over there. Majority of their earnings are from us foreigners. I said, as you can see, that most of Gom's money has come from foreigners. Also you can watch Gom for free and currently it is Gom with the biggest talent pool. Kespa domination wont happen in SC2 and if it does it will be very very bad. | ||
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Djagulingu
Germany3605 Posts
On August 25 2012 05:33 TommyP wrote: I said, as you can see, that most of Gom's money has come from foreigners. Also you can watch Gom for free and currently it is Gom with the biggest talent pool. Kespa domination wont happen in SC2 and if it does it will be very very bad. GOM doesn't have much time left imo. I give them 6 months after KeSPA fully switches into SC2. KeSPA players practised SC2 for 1/3rd of time ESF players did and that was alongside BW. And what happens after trade lock? Afaik, none of the ESF teams pay their players. We can see big players from ESF going into KeSPA teams for 8-9 figs in KrWon excluding tournament earnings, that is if ESF players are still better that time. Will ESF teams be able to compensate that amount of money? I like ESF though, I hate GOM tbh. GOM and the way they try to milk non-Korean e-Sports fans. I wish ESF and KeSPA go together or merge under one flag with all their contents being broadcasted over OGN. I just don't like GOM. | ||
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TommyP
United States6231 Posts
I think that as long as Tastosis is at gom, they will survive no matter what. | ||
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babylon
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As for KeSPA having more skilled players ... debatable. I don't see why this is a surprise to most people, but it certainly makes sense to me that some KeSPA players are amazingly good at SC2, while some are amazingly atrocious, just as some non-KeSPA players are amazingly good at SC2 and some are amazingly atrocious. Surely this is not a surprise. ESF and GOM are not the same (as has been stated already). ESF is just showing support for GOM with their actions. Their connection is much more tenuous than the OGN and KeSPA connection (... they basically are the same). The problem with KeSPA taking over is that they are pretty much only interested in the Korean market, while at the very least GOM is very open to foreigner participation and acknowledges the much greater popularity SC2 has internationally, especially compared to its popularity within Korea. Additionally, I think there will probably be quite a few problems when the trade ban ends. If a lot of KeSPA players have not sufficiently caught up to the ESF players by then, you had better be sure that KeSPA will try to buy out a lot of the top ESF players by offering better contracts. It stands to wonder what ESF has to offer their players that is better than KeSPA salaries (note, only for A and S-class players, the B-teamers will get paid pennies by both sides): willingness to send them to foreign tourneys, less draconian rules and practice hours, possibly partnerships with foreign teams that can extend their popularity, etc. | ||
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