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motbob
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On October 29 2011 19:42 Rekrul wrote:Show nested quote +However, the future might hold very bad things indeed for foreigners. With Kespa's history of stubbornness and unilateralism, there's no reason to think that things will turn out for the best. The fact that Blizzard invited 4 BW pros to Blizzcon might be a sign of the ice thawing between Blizz and Kespa. But until an official announcement to that effect is made, I won't feel optimistic about the Korean situation in the least. With the exception of the first sentence, this paragraph is completely wrong. In regards to everything but the first sentence, all evidence suggests that KESPA is going to stop being retards and do things right. The real reason the first sentence is correct: stay tuned for FS sc2 edition.
Well, I'm glad you think I'm wrong, since you know more about what's going on in Korea than I do. I wish someone who knows what's going to happen would just spill the beans already -_-
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KeSPA was never xenophobic, they just didn't coddle foreigners like GOM does. Maybe the coddling is good for "global e-sports", but it's still coddling.
Looking forward to Foreigners Suck SC2 Edition! Hopefully the first one is about Idra.
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On October 30 2011 03:39 motbob wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2011 19:42 Rekrul wrote:However, the future might hold very bad things indeed for foreigners. With Kespa's history of stubbornness and unilateralism, there's no reason to think that things will turn out for the best. The fact that Blizzard invited 4 BW pros to Blizzcon might be a sign of the ice thawing between Blizz and Kespa. But until an official announcement to that effect is made, I won't feel optimistic about the Korean situation in the least. With the exception of the first sentence, this paragraph is completely wrong. In regards to everything but the first sentence, all evidence suggests that KESPA is going to stop being retards and do things right. The real reason the first sentence is correct: stay tuned for FS sc2 edition. Well, I'm glad you think I'm wrong, since you know more about what's going on in Korea than I do. I wish someone who knows what's going to happen would just spill the beans already -_-
There is so much money and support in the foreign scene right now. Kespa would be foolish to not take advantage of that, and they have to know that a large portion of Gom's viewers are foreign and not Korean. I hope he is right too Motbob.
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I have to disagree.
If you look at some sponsors like Samsung (Khan), they are very much interested in turning their product to foreign markets.
The reason why there where a lack of foreigners in SC:BW is financial. The only tournaments in SC:BW were in Korea.
Look at Stephano. He is great and he plays the RTS where the most money is.
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It would be a little different, the sc2 scene is so much bigger than bw ever was in the west and it could survive or even trump the korean scene. I'm talking about potential growth. South korea has around 50 million inhabitants and the western scene is mainly focused on US(330m+) and EU(730m+) along with other territories. With other sports, even tho the country might not be best at the sport people still watch the domestic leagues and players. This could happend with western e-sports.
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There is always a catch, god dammit! but if this means the best of the best will be competing, my mind changes a little. Yes i feel sorry for the foreigners, but with these people we will see the best of the best, and i look forward to that
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On October 29 2011 22:35 darklight54321 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2011 22:03 floor exercise wrote:On October 29 2011 20:26 ct2299 wrote:
And THIS is why folks, as much as we hate Blizzard for not having LAN, they decided not to implement it. It's so that the dickwads from KESPA can't fuck shit up again (hopefully) and (HOPEFULLY) Blizzard exercises their rights and doesn't let KESPA get all xenophobic in SC2 as well. Damn those dickwads at Kespa for fucking up bw by making the most legitimate, amazing e-sports industry that captured the attention of an entire nation. Motherfuckers. this really isn't true though. Kespa sponsors had been doing stuff for a while, and the BW scene was going strong. For everything KeSPAa did good they also fucked up horribly. just go and look at the list of DQs.
So how did you make the logical leap from DQ to xenophobia?
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On October 30 2011 02:56 Djagulingu wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2011 06:53 Kroml. wrote:
Blizzard is SO aggressive and protecting about SC2, I don't think the "Dominant KeSPA Problem" will occur. If KeSPA, even tries a little, to isolate Korean scene and IF this causes the interest to decrease, Blizzard will immediately react.
The last time and other times Blizzard fucked with KeSPA didn't go well for Blizzard. SC2 won't do shit in Korea unless KeSPA helps it. KeSPA had only one single response to Blizzard for the whole time being: "Fuck that shit". And due to matter of fact, Blizzard still has to do business with KeSPA just for the sake of South Korean market. Just because of that, if Blizzard tries to tell KeSPA what to do, they will get the same response as before: "Fuck that shit". Show nested quote +On October 29 2011 20:26 ct2299 wrote:
And THIS is why folks, as much as we hate Blizzard for not having LAN, they decided not to implement it. It's so that the dickwads from KESPA can't fuck shit up again (hopefully) and (HOPEFULLY) Blizzard exercises their rights and doesn't let KESPA get all xenophobic in SC2 as well. KeSPA will "get all xenophobic in SC2 as well". They don't give a fuck to Blizzard and Blizzard's rights and the way Blizzard exercises their rights. And they still win every single time.
How exactly are they going to " win " when blizzard can shut down their entire tournament at a whim if they don't have approval?
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No LAN means Kespa doesn't have the same control anymore now that everything goes through Blizzard servers.
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Really great read, will be interesting to see how things turn out.
+ Show Spoiler +those FS threads are amazing too lol
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On October 30 2011 03:58 Gann1 wrote:
KeSPA was never xenophobic, they just didn't coddle foreigners like GOM does. Maybe the coddling is good for "global e-sports", but it's still coddling.
Looking forward to Foreigners Suck SC2 Edition! Hopefully the first one is about Idra.
We'll see about that whn Korean players can't attend foreign events.
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Korean players attended foreign events in BW (Blizzcon every year until 2010, all kinds of blizzard invitationals, WCG) They didn't play more foreign events because A) there weren't many, and B) we wouldn't LET them.
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On October 29 2011 06:53 Kroml. wrote:
I think it all comes to Blizzard in SC2, not KeSPA.
When Brood War became a national sport in Korea, Blizzard's approach to Brood War was not the same as now, to SC2.
Now Blizzard, literally "brought it" by pursuing lawsuits and negotiations, showing that "Starcraft II is Blizzard's, if you want to do something with SC2, you need to pass Blizzard"
Blizzard is SO aggressive and protecting about SC2, I don't think the "Dominant KeSPA Problem" will occur. If KeSPA, even tries a little, to isolate Korean scene and IF this causes the interest to decrease, Blizzard will immediately react.
completely agreed. I as well think Blizzard will flex its might corporation peen and show KesPA who is boss. While some blizzard things they do i feel are bad for e-sports, like not giving tourney's the ability to run without bnet, i think they made the right choice in forcing Kespa to relinquish its monopoly on pro starcraft
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Not really worried. Korea made the BW scene, and thus foreigners had to play by their rules. KeSPA's late to the SC2 party, and I don't think even they could bully everyone out of it. There's a lot more sponsors today than back in BW, and I get the feeling that the newer sponsors prefer international tournaments rather than an only-Korean league. Though I can't say how much value my opinion holds as I was only in the scene right before SC2 Beta came out... It will definitely be interesting.
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As long as money exists in the 'foreign' countries, the foreign scene will be very much alive. Kespa cannot control tournaments outside Korea.
If a Proleague is to be formed Kespa would have to negotiate with Blizzard anyway. To keep the foreign interest in Starcraft II, Blizzard would have to make sure english casters will be available like it has been for GOM.
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interesting read... i miss those days of old tasteless.
wonder if entry of kespa will make sc2 anymore entertaining for me...?
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On October 30 2011 13:18 ct2299 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2011 03:58 Gann1 wrote:
KeSPA was never xenophobic, they just didn't coddle foreigners like GOM does. Maybe the coddling is good for "global e-sports", but it's still coddling.
Looking forward to Foreigners Suck SC2 Edition! Hopefully the first one is about Idra. We'll see about that whn Korean players can't attend foreign events.
Teamliquid Starleague 1 and 2: no Korean IP. Koreans dominated so hard that we have to kick them out of our leagues. Who's the xenophobic one?
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On October 30 2011 03:39 motbob wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2011 19:42 Rekrul wrote:However, the future might hold very bad things indeed for foreigners. With Kespa's history of stubbornness and unilateralism, there's no reason to think that things will turn out for the best. The fact that Blizzard invited 4 BW pros to Blizzcon might be a sign of the ice thawing between Blizz and Kespa. But until an official announcement to that effect is made, I won't feel optimistic about the Korean situation in the least. With the exception of the first sentence, this paragraph is completely wrong. In regards to everything but the first sentence, all evidence suggests that KESPA is going to stop being retards and do things right. The real reason the first sentence is correct: stay tuned for FS sc2 edition. Well, I'm glad you think I'm wrong, since you know more about what's going on in Korea than I do. I wish someone who knows what's going to happen would just spill the beans already -_-
Regardless of what people know, until that happens the only way to really the view the upcoming Kespa involvement is with apprehensiveness because there's literally no evidence to suggest otherwise. There's no press release or leaked information out there right now. There's still no English BW stream today. I'm not saying Rekrul is wrong - history suggests he's probably not - but the point is that without something to go off, it's hard to be optimistic about the foreign scene with Kespa in your future.
(To be fair, I watched the korean stream vs. people who were talking over the koreans.)
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