On December 09 2011 22:55 Darkalbino wrote: Just going to bump this by saying, if Ron Paul gets in, I'll move to the USA.
If liberal gets into office in Australia, I'm moving to Sweden.
Please don't tell me you think Labor is doing a good job... lol just lol.I will never vote Labor because of that insane internet filter they tried to bring in.
Anyway i like Ron Paul , i've been signed up to the ron paul forums since 2007 and have donated to the forums and a couple of grassroots (non-official) programs.Obviously if i was living in the US i would also donate to the official campaign.
I recently got familiar with Ron Paul's ideas, and for the good of everyone I certainly hope that he wins. How can anybody rationally think that invading these countries is going to solve issues, It didn't solve them in the past and always hurt the invaded countries in the long run, more than it protects america. While the government of America has bases all over the world invading the personal security of individuals all over the world, they try to seem like the good guys in every situation, when everyone know's they're just fucking with people to try and make money.
This is my favourite example of how terroristic the united states really is.
Which is where Ron Paul gets a little bit more enticing. The reason the economy is crashing in the states is because of all the over spending on wars, trying to be the policemen of the world.And trying to be a nanny state forcing so many programs and regulations on the citizens that dont make any sense at all.
Even though I dont agree with him on a lot of social issues, I hope for the good of the world and the US that he wins.
Ron Paul is a boss. He is the best candidate America has had since Ronald Regan. Returning America to its founding state of civil liberties and smaller government is what the world needs. I don't believe the american people understand the impact America has the rest of the world. Ron Paul is the only option if you want america to return to its former glory. He knows why the america is in this situation and his foreign policy is the only one that will prevent america from causing world war 3. It is seriously concerning and if something isn't done Iran will be invaded or attacked by America.
The world could be a much happier, safer, and more balanced place with Ron Paul restoring america to its former glory.
sorry for long wall of text go Ron Paul!!! wooooot u did great in the debates 2 GL in Iowa.
Ron Paul is consistent, likeable, and has managed to avoided a lot of the ugliness that being a politician usually entails. I was impressed when he said he wouldn't be screaming at Obama like all the other Republican candidates have, but actually talking about issues. Ron Paul's been for small government and balanced budgets from the start, while the rest of the "Tea Party" candidates were all for huge deficits (Iraq War, Bush tax cuts, Medicare part D) before a Democrat came into office with a shrinking tax base and a growing need for unemployment insurance and the rest of the social safety net. At which point they about faced pretty fast because it made for good political attack lines. That level of consistency is pretty commendable.
That said, if you really think (as Paul does) that bringing us back to the gold standard would be a great idea, it would 1) put power in the hands of gold producing countries, which are by and large in dictatorships in Africa, and 2) the US did a lot better in the Great Depression after we got taken off the gold standard, compared to countries that stayed on it longer. Quantitative easing and expanding the monetary base also helped tremendously soften the impact of the Great Recession (or so agrees basically every economist, unless you decide the field is worthless becuase a few charlatans posing as serious economists blew up our economy, or otherwise) Ron Paul would set us pretty far backwards in this regard.
Sorry Mr. Paul, but this idea is just too simplistic.
I don't agree with the pure libertatian philosophy of Ron Paul, but at least he's principled. More and more I'm realizing that Obama really doesn't have principles and is 100% a politician. I would vote for Paul over Obama if it came down to it(though it's unlikely)
On December 16 2011 16:50 pGElemental wrote: Ron Paul is a boss. He is the best candidate America has had since Ronald Regan. Returning America to its founding state of civil liberties and smaller government is what the world needs. I don't believe the american people understand the impact America has the rest of the world. Ron Paul is the only option if you want america to return to its former glory. He knows why the america is in this situation and his foreign policy is the only one that will prevent america from causing world war 3. It is seriously concerning and if something isn't done Iran will be invaded or attacked by America.
The world could be a much happier, safer, and more balanced place with Ron Paul restoring america to its former glory.
sorry for long wall of text go Ron Paul!!! wooooot u did great in the debates 2 GL in Iowa.
That's what i think, also as a foreign observator.
On December 16 2011 16:50 pGElemental wrote: Ron Paul is a boss. He is the best candidate America has had since Ronald Regan. Returning America to its founding state of civil liberties and smaller government is what the world needs. I don't believe the american people understand the impact America has the rest of the world. Ron Paul is the only option if you want america to return to its former glory. He knows why the america is in this situation and his foreign policy is the only one that will prevent america from causing world war 3. It is seriously concerning and if something isn't done Iran will be invaded or attacked by America.
The world could be a much happier, safer, and more balanced place with Ron Paul restoring america to its former glory.
sorry for long wall of text go Ron Paul!!! wooooot u did great in the debates 2 GL in Iowa.
That's what i think, also as a foreign observator.
That's what most foreign observers think. Too bad we can't vote for them.
America and it's country neighbor Canada, and to a lesser degree the world, need someone like Ron Paul. Even without considering his (excellent) stance on many issues, the fact remains that he is passionate, and NOT afraid to speak his mind and that is something so very rare in politicians these days.
Also, just realized how old this guy is (76).
MAD PROPS, if I could be 1/4 as sharp as him when I'm 76 I'd be a very happy old man.
If I read up on this stuff, then yeah, he basically embodies what Americans have been blurting around for ages. How their freedom is amazing and how they will fight for it. If people want America, they should vote for this guy.
I mostly look at the political campaigns for the propaganda and campaign video's though. It's always great to get inspired by them even if they are false promises. I'm a bit of a nut in that case.
On January 05 2012 17:16 happyness wrote: I don't agree with the pure libertatian philosophy of Ron Paul, but at least he's principled. More and more I'm realizing that Obama really doesn't have principles and is 100% a politician. I would vote for Paul over Obama if it came down to it(though it's unlikely)
I consider myself to be a libertarian and I'd vote for Ron Paul over Obama. But to be fair, Ron Paul is not truly a libertarian. He opposes free trade agreements and organizations like NAFTA and WTO, and he's rabidly pro-Life (being a doctor who delivered babies for his entire career)
However he is the closest that libertarians can get to having their voice heard in American politics. Although libertarians make up a big portion of the population, we lose due to political position. And because our political system is winner-take-all, that means we're always going to be crowded out of the two party system. Most "independents/moderates" are actually libertarians (whether they know it or not) because our beliefs straddle both parties. Its tough for libertarians to run as Democrats because even though we agree with liberals on social issues, but we are opposite on economic issues. And for Republicans its the other way around, we agree with conservatives on economic issues, but are opposite on social issues.
The struggles in electing libertarians is evident even in Ron Paul's current campaign. Ron Paul is very popular with Republicans for his anti-government zeal and strong pro-life credentials. But he's also very unpopular for his liberal/libertarian-esque stances on foreign policy and several other social issues such as privacy, homosexuality, religion, and drugs.
As much as I like Ron Paul, I don't see him getting past the primary. I'm certain that he could win over Obama in the general election with the conservative vote plus his huge influx of independents. But thats never going to happen unless he gets past the primary and there is no conservative alternative. Even in the hypothetical scenario where Ron Paul wins the Republican nomination, I would not be surprised to see a super conservative Republican candidate go third party.
But I do like he's running and getting his ideas out there. I just might punish Republicans for not nominating Ron Paul by voting for Obama instead of going third-party. Depends how spiteful I feel I guess
On December 09 2011 22:55 Darkalbino wrote: Just going to bump this by saying, if Ron Paul gets in, I'll move to the USA.
If liberal gets into office in Australia, I'm moving to Sweden.
Please don't tell me you think Labor is doing a good job... lol just lol.I will never vote Labor because of that insane internet filter they tried to bring in.
Anyway i like Ron Paul , i've been signed up to the ron paul forums since 2007 and have donated to the forums and a couple of grassroots (non-official) programs.Obviously if i was living in the US i would also donate to the official campaign.
I agree. I hate labor. I will never forgive them for that internet censorship bill, they will never get my 1st preference after trying to put that draconian bill through parliament. I hate liberal too, but the beauty of a preferential voting system means that even with both being my last and penultimate preferences my vote still counts and my vote has a direct influence on who gets into parliament.
As to Ron Paul, I think he is a much better alternative to his current competition. People have criticized his fiscal policy, but to be honest, I think it's the best reason to vote for him. It's radical, but only a radical change in fiscal policy will solve America's money woes.
On January 05 2012 17:16 happyness wrote: I don't agree with the pure libertatian philosophy of Ron Paul, but at least he's principled. More and more I'm realizing that Obama really doesn't have principles and is 100% a politician. I would vote for Paul over Obama if it came down to it(though it's unlikely)
I consider myself to be a libertarian and I'd vote for Ron Paul over Obama. But to be fair, Ron Paul is not truly a libertarian. He opposes free trade agreements and organizations like NAFTA and WTO, and he's rabidly pro-Life (being a doctor who delivered babies for his entire career)
However he is the closest that libertarians can get to having their voice heard in American politics. Although libertarians make up a big portion of the population, we lose due to political position. And because our political system is winner-take-all, that means we're always going to be crowded out of the two party system. Most "independents/moderates" are actually libertarians (whether they know it or not) because our beliefs straddle both parties. Its tough for libertarians to run as Democrats because even though we agree with liberals on social issues, but we are opposite on economic issues. And for Republicans its the other way around, we agree with conservatives on economic issues, but are opposite on social issues.
The struggles in electing libertarians is evident even in Ron Paul's current campaign. Ron Paul is very popular with Republicans for his anti-government zeal and strong pro-life credentials. But he's also very unpopular for his liberal/libertarian-esque stances on foreign policy and several other social issues such as privacy, homosexuality, religion, and drugs.
As much as I like Ron Paul, I don't see him getting past the primary. I'm certain that he could win over Obama in the general election with the conservative vote plus his huge influx of independents. But thats never going to happen unless he gets past the primary and there is no conservative alternative. Even in the hypothetical scenario where Ron Paul wins the Republican nomination, I would not be surprised to see a super conservative Republican candidate go third party.
But I do like he's running and getting his ideas out there. I just might punish Republicans for not nominating Ron Paul by voting for Obama instead of going third-party. Depends how spiteful I feel I guess
First, NAFTO and the WTO are not free trade organizations. They are used to create trade restrictions and cartels. It is the platform of the Libertarian Party, many libertarian think tanks and groups, and Dr. Paul that they are un-libertarian and restrict commercial freedom.
Second, there is no "libertarian" position on abortion. Both camps are supported and with varying degrees. Ron Paul is a Federalist on the issue and I think that's a more libertarian position than Federal bans or legalizations.
Do not vote for Obama. Don't legitimize his presidency with your support. If Dr. Paul does not get the nomination, either vote for Gary Johnson under the Libertarian Party ticket, write-in Ron Paul, or simply don't vote. I cannot stress this enough. Do not perpetuate the machine.
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go Ron Paul!!! wooooot u did great in the debates 2 GL in Iowa.
