EPTThe Boxer Bandwagon - Page 3
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
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Autotroph
United Kingdom940 Posts
A quote from the section 'Hope on the road less travelled': I want to share my bloody tears with those who cry because the road they chose was too difficult, or those that gave up their dreams to take the road that was a little easier. That sentence is so powerful. It shows his undeniable will, even from the very beginning. Like any great progamer or competitor he has a powerful desire to win, but that is not what this sentence is about. It is about the years of effort he has put in, and continues to put in, not in the name of winning, but in the name of competitive Starcraft and those who watch it. Almost certainly, in the beginning, BoxeR wanted to show is skill, win tournaments and be cheered. But during his transition from pioneer to veteran his motivation for playing the game changed also. While the goal was the same - be sucessful, win tournaments, make fans cheer - BoxeR is motivated by a sense of duty, by a debt he feels he has to repay, to those who have cheered for him through his long tenure behind the monitor. He does not practice for individual fame or success. He practices so the people those who post here and elsewhere, make signs/cheerfuls, chant his name, and want him to succeed, won't be let down. This takes nothing away from other amazing players who have also dedicated much of their lives to professional Starcraft. And I agree many newer fans can jump on a bandwagon of hype, without knowing much backstory. But instead of posts like this, maybe it would be better to make posts showcasing NaDa and Julyzerg and their achivements, so that others would know what they did and how high they climbed? + Show Spoiler + Yeah, the above was pretty mushy/sentimental, I just love the guy. | ||
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Failsafe
United States1298 Posts
i would argue that both july and nada have more impressive brood war careers than boxer. on the other hand, boxer is responsible for so much, from iloveoov and SKT to SlayerS and its success in sc2. boxer is the man. nonetheless, i don't agree that e-sports wouldn't exist without boxer. i'm not sure if this is just widely accepted hyperbole founded in boxer's early successes or if he in fact was so crucial to the development of the brood war scene in korea. there was yellow, garimto, and other early players who were also potential champions, although perhaps none of them (aside from yellow) showed charisma to rival boxer's. although it's a little annoying, the boxer bandwagoning is probably good for the scene as a whole. he's the man people have been rallying around forever, and his presence in sc2 definitely lends something unique. | ||
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TheButtonmen
Canada1403 Posts
On August 02 2011 03:14 Djagulingu wrote: Thing is, BoxeR actually has a bandwagon among sc2 players, they see him as the destined killer of Brood War and think that SC2 will take over BW because of him. This attitude is disgusting and I hate that. As a person who watches and plays both games, I want both games to exist together. Um....no not at all. We like him because of his legacy in e-sports, his charisma, his playstyle and the work he puts into establishing the next generation of players. Don't try to bring the SC2 vs BW shit into this, Boxer is Boxer there is no conspiracy among SC2 fans for why we like him. Do you honestly think that this is people cheering him on in hopes of killing off BW? | ||
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SushilS
2115 Posts
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shindigs
United States4795 Posts
On August 02 2011 03:18 heyoka wrote: Whats awesome is that even in blogs this is going to get a billion pages and spawn some serious arguments. Based on pure performance in the booth you have a point, compared to other legends like NaDa and July he doesn't have much that differentiates him. Outside the booth is a totally different story. He started a team from scratch that went on to win back to back GSTLs. He picked up a handful of dudes no one had ever heard of and molded them into a strong, cohesive unit. He told a slumping MMA to go and win Columbus and he did. He brought his men to fight in Anaheim and 3 of them placed Top 4. His celebrity during his prime playing years reached a critical mass point that July and NaDa, for better or worse, never did. Maybe it's because he was the first to truly dominate, maybe it's because of his skills with the media and fans, I have no idea. I didn't come into SC until long after his peak. That point of fame carried over to SC2, and now when people speak of him in hushed tones it lets anyone new know that this man has something special others don't, even among those with golden mice or 87 month KeSPA streaks. Just watch him on the stage, he is a man of confidence and swagger. He holds himself completely differently than any other progamer - as he should - and that is something people take away and remember. Him being the legend isn't tied to performance, fame and reverence are about qualities that can't be quantified. Someone should edit this into the OP then close the thread once all the misinformation has been clarified. | ||
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RedJustice
United States1004 Posts
On August 02 2011 03:14 Djagulingu wrote: Thing is, BoxeR actually has a bandwagon among sc2 players, they see him as the destined killer of Brood War and think that SC2 will take over BW because of him. This attitude is disgusting and I hate that. As a person who watches and plays both games, I want both games to exist together. Lol wtf is wrong with you? XDDD Delusional much? (How could he even kill BW? If SC2 ever takes over BW, it will be because of someone new rising to revolutionize the game. I sincerely doubt BoxeR could possibly be that person.) We want BoxeR to win at SC2 because he wants to win. We know he has an amazing history of shaping the BW scene. We know he struggles with his shoulder injury and not being able to play the way he used to. We know he is still hanging on because even if his fingers aren't as fast anymore, and even though his game sense doesn't always seem to be there, his heart still is, and he wants to play and prove to everyone he still can so fucking badly! Anyone who puts their lives into something the way BoxeR does has all my respect and well-wishes for success. How can you not root for someone like that? If he was trying to make a comeback in BW, I would cheer for him just the same. But he's playing SC2... so we cheer for him to win there. | ||
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Tleaf
Canada181 Posts
 and you didnt mention iloveoov  but I think he's done alot for SC2 a hell of alot more than july but july and nada have had better results | ||
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Djagulingu
Germany3605 Posts
On August 02 2011 04:15 TheButtonmen wrote: Um....no not at all. We like him because of his legacy in e-sports, his charisma, his playstyle and the work he puts into establishing the next generation of players. Don't try to bring the SC2 vs BW shit into this, Boxer is Boxer there is no conspiracy among SC2 fans for why we like him. Do you honestly think that this is people cheering him on in hopes of killing off BW? Nope, I am talking about these people. EDIT: Well, they are not cheering BoxeR for this in these posts, but I think those guys would be his biggest fans if they somehow thought that BoxeR will kill BW for SC2. | ||
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Arkansassy
358 Posts
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TheButtonmen
Canada1403 Posts
None of those links have anything to do with Boxer? I get that you hate the SC2 scene and its fan, that's fine but can you at least not try to start SC2vsBW pissing contest #84547 in threads that have nothing to do with it? | ||
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IntoTheEmo
Singapore1170 Posts
But there's this thread from months ago, that I followed, that showed how blind some people's fanboyism can be. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=172934 "GOMtv protecting Boxer?" Have people in there saying that the possibility of rigged brackets for Boxer is fine just so they can watch more of him etc. Pages and pages of that. I dunno, this thread just reminded me of that, maybe that's the kind of people the OP was referring to. Some of those comments in there disgusted me, and I wasn't the only one. Oh and grats to Boxer for getting far in MLG. | ||
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Linwelin
Ireland7554 Posts
On August 02 2011 04:56 IntoTheEmo wrote: Yes, he is a legend and a huge contributor to the SC scene. If you support him for those accomplishments, that's fine. But there's this thread from months ago, that I followed, that showed how blind some people's fanboyism can be. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=172934 "GOMtv protecting Boxer?" Have people in there saying that the possibility of rigged brackets for Boxer is fine just so they can watch more of him etc. Pages and pages of that. I dunno, this thread just reminded me of that, maybe that's the kind of people the OP was referring to. Some of those comments in there disgusted me, and I wasn't the only one. Oh and grats to Boxer for getting far in MLG. There will always be stupid people. I bet even "back in the broodwar days" there were stupid people aswell | ||
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Djagulingu
Germany3605 Posts
On August 02 2011 04:45 TheButtonmen wrote: None of those links have anything to do with Boxer? I get that you hate the SC2 scene and its fan, that's fine but can you at least not try to start SC2vsBW pissing contest #84547 in threads that have nothing to do with it? With all due respect, I don't hate SC2 scene and its fans. I hate those vultures watching over BW and eagerly waiting for its death. I'm a big DRG and MVP Team fan myself. I'm not trying to start BW vs SC2 shitwars either. I did a proper edit to my post too. Anyway, I'm suggesting that we should get over it. This is one of the 2 things that I hate about. On August 02 2011 04:56 IntoTheEmo wrote: Yes, he is a legend and a huge contributor to the SC scene. If you support him for those accomplishments, that's fine. But there's this thread from months ago, that I followed, that showed how blind some people's fanboyism can be. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=172934 "GOMtv protecting Boxer?" Have people in there saying that the possibility of rigged brackets for Boxer is fine just so they can watch more of him etc. Pages and pages of that. I dunno, this thread just reminded me of that, maybe that's the kind of people the OP was referring to. Some of those comments in there disgusted me, and I wasn't the only one. Oh and grats to Boxer for getting far in MLG. And this is the second one. | ||
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
I don't want to praise him as a player for his one-time performance at MLG but he stepped up and you could clearly see it. BoxeR, July, Nal_rA and many other are inspiring players. Persons you look up to and persons that motivate others to play. MVP himself said he started playing because of BoxeR. I hope you can show a bit more respect towards him as a person even though you might not respect his archievements in Starcraft 2. I will always look up to BoxeR and NaDa. | ||
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IntoTheEmo
Singapore1170 Posts
But I do think that there is quite a bit of blind bandwagoning happening on TL, and it isn't just with Boxer. Look at the Fan Clubs section, there's a thread for every player that wins a game, and even for some that don't. (Not that I have a problem with fanclubs, just an observation) Thanks for quoting my post ^^ | ||
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a176
Canada6688 Posts
On August 02 2011 01:58 BLinD-RawR wrote: also how is  July a 6 time champion?Only  NaDa and Flash have 6..Yes i was getting ahead of myself in the post :p ps hi obi  | ||
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TheButtonmen
Canada1403 Posts
On August 02 2011 05:39 IntoTheEmo wrote: No one doubts the charisma of Boxer and the things he has done for e-sports. But I do think that there is quite a bit of blind bandwagoning happening on TL, and it isn't just with Boxer. Look at the Fan Clubs section, there's a thread for every player that wins a game, and even for some that don't. (Not that I have a problem with fanclubs, just an observation) Thanks for quoting my post ^^ Winning records have nothing to do with people having fans, hell this weekend Gimix who is far from a "pro" player got a ton of fans not because of him winning a game but just because of how damn respectable and manner he was. As an aside for those unfamilar with Gimix here's a brief recap. + Show Spoiler + MLG: Incredible story coming out of the Open Bracket: Epgimix, the player who White-Ra DQ'd to yesterday, is playing him now. Before the start of the first game, in the pregame chat, Gimix said to White-Ra, "let's do this the right way." He then proceeded to throw all his SCVs at White-Ra in the first game, and then in the second game. Obviously, he lost both games. The series is now back even at 2-2 and has essentially been reset. Incredible manner and sportsmanship from Gimix. | ||
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Louuster
Canada2869 Posts
On August 02 2011 03:21 Horuku wrote: Didn't boxer join the Korean's equivalent of the Air Force for a while? Or am I thinking of someone else... Boxer did join the airforce, and actually participated in the creation of the air force progaming team Air Force ACE. | ||
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ketomai
United States2789 Posts
I remember seeing Boxer on a cereal box when I lived in Korea. For an esports figure back then and now, he was very, very well known relative to everyone else and was the first person from esports to have the charisma/skill to be that guy. Even when you hear him talk all he talks about is bringing the esports world together and showing entertaining games. Basically it's impossible not to be at least accepting of the Boxer bandwagon unless you are completely ignorant. | ||
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