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OK!!
So its 5am here and I have work in 4 hours... F... M... L...
Anyways, I got on skype with a few people from this thread and we've come up with an idea.
So to re-cap, I suck... I don't want to be selfish and just improve myself. I want to improve in a way that will help the SC2 community.
Any ideas on how I can do this? I'm thinking making a blog and posting replays will work. This will be for my own personal review and to keep me accountable to myself. Although getting your feedback will be AMAZING!
I will do my best to document my journey so that others can make the same one.
Thank you so much for all the tips and ideas so far. I will be messaging you! So be warned! if you post in this thread you will be harassed by me wanting to pull every piece of SC2 knowledge out of you! *end stalker mode*
Goodnight/Goodevening/Goodmorning (where ever you are)
-NNN (B.Net ID is NomNomNom.280 haha for those that have asked :D)
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best way to learn fast is to get coached or to ONLY watch vods of HIGH level analysis and learning What to do and When. Obviously, at bronze level the high level anaylsis won't apply to you, but it will get you thinking in a way that masters players think and if you can think like a masters player then you will certainly improve like one as long as you keep up the practice and play consistently.
I recommend watching people like Huk, Artosis, Tyler and any other top notch pro player who streams a lot. Streaming IMO, is the best way to learn because not only do you see what they do, but how they do it (how fast they are actually playing and what they are specifically clicking on)
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It's definitely possible. All it takes is dedication.
I started playing SC2 in April this year (my first RTS), and I was placed into silver. My life has been engulfed by SC2 since, and not a day goes by without reading, watching or playing it. Currently I'm in Platinum, playing against quite a few diamonds.
Just remember there's so much information out there to learn from absolute beginner level, to advance levels. There's recommended threads from TL, Liquidpedia, Day9, Mr.Bitter (zerg), competitive replays, gsl to name a few.
I'll be honest it won't be a smooth ride, but it definitely can be fun and enjoyable. Good luck on the journey to Masters. See you there!
Edit: Feel free to pm me if you have any questions.
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It's entirely possible.
SCII was the first RTS game I've ever played.
When I bought my account I lost (no jokes) my first 17 1v1's in a row.
So yeh obviously I was stuck in Bronze for quite a while.
Now I'm mid diamond and it actually went quite fast after I got promoted to silver.
In my opinion just focus really hard on mechanics in the lower leagues since those will win you the game, buildorders aren't that important yet since ur opponents are most likely gonna do stupid shit with bad mechanics.
So if you have better mechanics you should win most of ur games.
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Play the "macro or die"-maps and practice until you dont get nuked! That's what I did - and now I'm in masters mostly due to strong macro!
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On July 19 2011 17:09 seefernando wrote:
Is there any way people play?
To all the Bronze to Master players, Was there ever that " OH man! thats what I'm missing" moment? When did you start noticing major changes in your play? What did you start doing really different?
MUSIC i always, ALWAYS play better with music. it's all about preference really, some people play better with music, some better with maybe a friend next to them or even doing stretches before a game (i also do this one) it's your choise really
it's good that you have a good attitude towards your play, but really the only way to get better is to learn from your mistakes, so play a game. If you win watch the replay, see what you could've done better so maybe you would have 110% secured your win, if you loose do the same but look at what you did wrong and improve on that
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I've seen people play in masters that play like shitty bronze noobs all the way.
Look at your replays and judge yourself or let friends judge your playstyle. The ladder ranking is only capable of judging how much you play, not if you actually play well.
If you get shitty opponents and win all the time, you get to masters. If you have bad luck you stay in bronze. However, you can get into masters without even improving...
So yea, start to mass ladder and you'll eventually get to masters. How long it will take depends on how much luck you have.
But if you actually want to get better, I suggest to practice efficently. How this is done... you have to figure it out yourself.
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have you read this thread?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=208343
It's a pretty good guide on how to improve and applying some of the methods has, for me anyways, made me much more confident in games if not improved my skill.
One of the things the guide says is to take a very standard opener + transition from a pro (ex 11/12 rax to blueflame in TvZ) and then just practice that against a computer and compare yourself to the pro you're imitating. Make sure you're always making workers and getting supply. Note the timings of your buildings compared to the pro and supply count etc etc.
There's a lot more in that guide so you should take some time to read it.
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On July 19 2011 17:09 tuukster wrote:
Anything is possible, if you just want it badly.
Even though you must master all the aspects of the game, you can still see rapid development in your mechanics by focusing your training on them. I would recommend that you first become a master in very basic things and leave the strategical grand schemes for later. Don't try to master everything at once. You can climb up to platinum/diamond by simply never being supply blocked and always producing units. Having way more units than your opponent counters most tactics/openings/builds.
Just focus your eyes on the upper-right corner most of the time and you'll be fine. Minerals, gas and supply count are the most important things in the whole game. You don't need to stare a battle for 20 seconds. Looking at the minimap is also more important than gazing at all the battles.
These are some really good tips.
Day9 is the best source for improoving if you listen good to what he says, he focuses a lot on training specific simple things. Like only focusing on not getting supply blocked for a week or two.
I did this and lost a ton of games during those two weeks, but after that i was supply blocked a lot less than before those two weeks and i felt more comfortable. The most important part of it was me being more aware of my supply afterwards.
Before it i usually always kept two scv's building all the time and a third now and then, but being more aware of it, made me comfortable always rallying back to the mineral lines after building and i didn't keep making supply depots after big battles when i didn't need them and so on.
Focusing a lot on the small things will pay back greatly in the end.
Also focusing on economic openings and taking some risks is the point where i started rappidly improoving.
I used to go for timings and all ins a lot early to great success, but it backfired when i started experimenting with other builds as i was too high ranked for my macro and mechanics at the time.
As a last note, don't be too worried about where you are on the ladder, i struggled and still struggle with this. If you want to improove on a new aspect of your play, it will be hard at first which means you will loose a lot of games before slowly climbing again.
As a note after the last note, i would reccomend to keep playing and don't get too distracted by streams and turnaments, i spend way too much time viewing gsl/nasl and streams to play enough myself. And when you play, focus on specific small parts of your play as mentioned, and don't just play to play.
Hope this helps and remember to enjoy the game! :-)
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On July 19 2011 17:09 seefernando wrote:
Is there any way people play?
To all the Bronze to Master players, Was there ever that " OH man! thats what I'm missing" moment? When did you start noticing major changes in your play? What did you start doing really different?
I started out in bronze in December, I'm high diamond now. To start off I was low bronze, no real rts experience. I watched trumps 2rax stim push and learned it by heart, this got me into plat eventually, to get from gold to plat I also began incorporating drops, which often times outright won the game. I'd say the biggest change I did on my play to get into diamond was a faster third, this was kinda new to me (just having a 3rd up around 12min under normal circumstances).
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On July 19 2011 17:09 seefernando wrote:
Is there any way people play?
To all the Bronze to Master players, Was there ever that " OH man! thats what I'm missing" moment? When did you start noticing major changes in your play? What did you start doing really different?
i've done the copper - masters run and i think the majour change for me happened in gold league where i set a goal for myself and picked one fairly universally viable opening.
i opened 14gas/14pool in every game and tried to have a third up by the 11 minute mark. lucky for me this was still early into release to muta/ling was still pretty viable vs p and z. despite all that, it is a curious fact that every single rank up i've ever had came after a baneling bust. >_>
i also started watching commentary and anlysis specific to my race as well as the usual day9 stuff. so i spent alot of time in psystarcrafts youtube channel and later on with mrbitters 12 weeks with the pros.
that said i still have alot to learn, i still dont even hotkey my units or queens. -.-
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The best way to improve it to play a ton of games and analyze every single replay.
Last year, when the game was released I started out in Bronze with a average APM of 30 and these days I'm beating mid to high ranked Master leaguers.
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seefernando i played since beta i was actually cooper league when i was starting now im master league my advice is:
play lot of games until you get like to gold or plat than watch day[9] dailies, streams and than start watching replays observe watch what you have done wrong, decision, build order etc.
gl in improving
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It's very possible to go from bronze to masters, I've personally done this. The main way to improve your play would be to get the basic idea from streams and people who know how to play. Personally I've gotten better by looking at people who stream, and then just note down (in my head mainly) the build orders and how they go.
You won't get the macro right away, that comes with practice, and really practice is what you need to really improve your macro, there isn't really any other way to do that. But the best advice I can give would be to watch a favorite streamer, (Generally someone that you wouldn't mind watching for a little while at a time, I would suggest a good entertaining streamer) and mentally note down timings, builds, and general strategies and try to eminate them.
When you get the mechanics and the basics down, it's best to try and develop yourself, and look at replays on what you would need to work on.
Don't worry, it's very possible, and generally if you play enough, you'll get there faster than you think.
Good luck!
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On July 19 2011 18:46 Superpower wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 17:09 seefernando wrote:
Is there any way people play?
To all the Bronze to Master players, Was there ever that " OH man! thats what I'm missing" moment? When did you start noticing major changes in your play? What did you start doing really different? MUSIC i always, ALWAYS play better with music. it's all about preference really, some people play better with music, some better with maybe a friend next to them or even doing stretches before a game (i also do this one) it's your choise really it's good that you have a good attitude towards your play, but really the only way to get better is to learn from your mistakes, so play a game. If you win watch the replay, see what you could've done better so maybe you would have 110% secured your win, if you loose do the same but look at what you did wrong and improve on that
Thats scary advice; as music takes away from your concentration at times and can make you miss something important.
Sometimes (depending on the genre of music) I miss a dropship in the back of my base or hearing the "Probes under attack" warning from it.. so I chose only to play music on ladder; any tournaments I dont play music.
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Im sure you can make it bro. Im currently silver and learning quickly. My MMR is gold - plat so soon ill be there. As pointed out in this topic alot: allins. I don't think there the way to go (Im a zerg player by heart tho, i love to macro it up) Just work on your macro, scouting and remember to expand and make plenty of probes when safe to. This will take you along way, ive beat diamond level friends even with my poor micro from just out macroing, scouting (Knowing whats heading my way) and countering effectively. Good luck mate.
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I'm only high plat but I have a friend who is masters now who, in beta, was copper. It is definatly possible with ALOT of practice and the right attitude. Hell, even I started in bronze and I'm almost diamond.
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Its not hard at all. Just play a lot of games and analyze ur games. And you will get there.
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On July 19 2011 16:53 seefernando wrote:this to be a community experiment. Is it possible for a bronze leguer to get to Masters?
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I did it in about six to six and a half months as a zerg on SEA. Once I hit diamond on SEA, I also got diamond on NA. Yet again, when I got masters on SEA, I got masters on NA as well.
Its completely possible that you can get to masters faster, depending on how efficiently and consistently you practice, and also the amount of time you decide to commit. I got this far by playing pretty much daily, with about 4-5 ladder games minimum.
Basically, if I can do it, you should be able to as well.
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