EPTBronze to Master! in my dreams? - Page 3
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GQz
Australia168 Posts
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Dominico
Canada678 Posts
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AmericanUmlaut
Germany2599 Posts
On July 19 2011 17:09 seefernando wrote: To all the Bronze to Master players, Was there ever that " OH man! thats what I'm missing" moment? When did you start noticing major changes in your play? What did you start doing really different? Technically, I'm a silver-to-diamond player, not a bronze-to-master player. I had a couple years of WC3 experience keeping me from the low end, and my offspring and job keep me from the high end. I have these moments constantly, and each one has been accompanied by an improvement in my game, followed by a plateau in which I'm consolidating everything I've learned. The first big one was Day[9]'s "build pylons, build probes." That literally got me from silver to platinum. The next one was also Day[9]'s fault, when I started actually practicing build orders to get my timings crisp, and analyzing the differences between my replays and those of pros doing similar builds. Most recently I realized that I was getting supply blocked much more often than I was aware (two supply blocks == losing one battle), so I'm back to "build pylons, build probes." And my pace was simply too slow - I was taking my third and teching several minutes slower than I could have. I think these realizations are part of the development of players at every level (at least, players who are improving). The further you get, the more refined they become. Bronze players are moving up when they realize they can attack-move, and the top pros are realizing that they can do this before that and end up with the 8 gas they need to get the upgrade their timing is built around 5 seconds faster. | ||
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Lochat
United States270 Posts
On July 19 2011 17:04 101toss wrote: I've gotten from bronze to masters, w/ a race change inbetween (T->P) That having been said, I don't remember the last time I expanded lol Athe help me, I hope that's a troll. | ||
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Roblin
Sweden948 Posts
1. play 2-10 games per day, the point is that you should play every day, and you should play about as much every day, if you feel you won't have time for 10 games per day, then don't and play 5 instead, if you don't have time for that, play 2, you understand what I mean. whatever you do, don't think "Ill just play 30 games in the weekend and nothing during weekdays", you will learn more from playing 10 games over a week than 50 in a day. 2. mechanics > everything else. this cannot be emphathized enough, there is absolutely no point in trying to do fancy stuff if you just don't have the multitasking to do it. 3. avoid cheesing. cheesing helps you very little, holding of a cheese helps you a lot more. 4. have 1 build/gameplan per matchup and concentrate on nailing those, this will automaticly force you to improve your mechanics, thus strengthening other builds you attempt later. 5. keep healthy. this is very very important, a brain in a malnourished/insomniactic body have a much harder time learning than one in a healthy body. next time you feel you are hungry but just wan't to play "one more game" just stop playing for the day and go eat your fill. minimum of 6-7 hours of sleep every day. turning the biological clock does not help you at all in the long run so avoid staying up late enough that it can be called early. 6. have a well-rounded diet. this is closely connected to #5 | ||
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FalconPunch
United States134 Posts
4gate should easily get you into platinum and maybe even diamond. At this point, you may start seeing your win percentages drop due to getting match with better players. From there, you can experiment with other builds.. maybe dts, maybe blink stalkers, maybe some form of FE. Keep repeating your builds over and over till you "master" it. Once you're in diamond league, zone in on the problems you are having most with- can you keep your money below 500?, can you use force fields effectively? can you micro well in general? Whatever troubles you have, practice those. Go into the game thinking, "Ok, this game I want to focus on keeping my minerals below 500." In your mind, keep repeating "below 500 minerals, below 500 minerals" and really make it a goal to keep it under 500. Keep on doing little things like these, and before you know it.. you have a bunch of nice tools in your toolbox. Honestly, I made it into masters by watching the pros, and copying their builds. After that it's just a lot of practice. I think it's easy to make it to masters, but again, it is not for everyone. It's all about how much time and thought you put into the game. | ||
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RacerX
United States168 Posts
Second, I personally reccommend against GRID hotkeys and I think standard are much better as to remembering the buildings instead of the placement inside of the building box. Third, Just practice really simple and specific things like play against the AI and practice just not getting supply blocked and making probes constantly all game. Then learn some good builds by watching some replays ( sc2rep is a good site) like maybe one for each matchup since you're playing protoss and really practice those and get those down. Another thing if you watch the day9 daily live, do not pay attention to the chat lol. Try to pay attention to the mechanical aspect of the game and just simple things like oh why did I lose, oh crap I didn't make probes for 10 minutes kind of thing. Do not just jump off into theory crafting and hopping into stradegy, I find that the biggest problem in players trying to get better at starcraft 2. What another poster said was to stare at the top right, I really don't recommend that what you should be doing is just taking a glance at the top right checking your supply money/gas to see whether you need a pylon/supply depot or need to throw own a structure etc. then look at the main screen then just stare at the minimap while you macro take a glance at your supply and money then back to the minimap. At your level all you basicly need to do is 1 a your army to attack the enemy and stop paying attention and go back to macroing. | ||
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RacerX
United States168 Posts
On July 19 2011 17:10 Hristiyan wrote: play terran and it shouldn't be hard to get there quickly. No protoss is quicker he's fine. | ||
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RoyalCheese
Czech Republic745 Posts
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aFF.TEEN
France99 Posts
On July 19 2011 16:53 seefernando wrote: Hello everyone, I'm kinda worried about making this post as TL seems very hardcore about irrelevant post and banning people... Let me start with saying that I am a Noob. I Suck at SC2 and I suck at video games in general. There is just something about SC2 that makes me want to improve. I want to be able to predict what my opponent is doing. The rush of holding off a 6 pool and walking in with colossus is amazing! I want to get into the Masters league. That is my goal. I want my mechanics and macro so perfect that I never get supply blocked or miss a warp in. I've read a lot of post and talked to a lot of people about my skill level and my abilities. I want your input. I really want this to be a community experiment. Is it possible for a bronze leguer to get to Masters? I'm not looking for a miracle. I know it won't happen overnight. But with your help it can happen efficiently. Yes I have read http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=208343 and numerous other posts on TL and B.Net, and I am willing to do whatever it takes to get me to masters. I don't want to cheese my way there. I genuinely want to change the way I think, play and act in SC2. So basically, HELP ME!!! <3 Thanks NomNomNom This is certainly possible. I coached my little brother who had almost no prior RTS experience from silver to master on EU in two weeks. I think it's possible, esp when you play P which my brother also does. | ||
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BaLoO-
France318 Posts
Let's be clear, if you're a normal guy who won't play 6 hours a day, you're not going to get into master next month, maybe not even next year. But if you still play, watch enough top players' games, you will sooner or later have the level to be in. GL bro. | ||
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Joseph123
Bulgaria1144 Posts
The mechanics of master players are nowhere near perfect most of them cheese their way anyway.. if you reach master you will get supply blocked a lot if you want to become good you have to learn how to play solid if you want just to reach master league just pick terran and cheese | ||
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seefernando
Canada17 Posts
Thank you all! So many tips and ideas! I'm actually going to be PM'ing all of you asap for more details on what you've posted. Here are some general Replies as I see them pop up a lot. 1) I do Watch Day[9], pretty regiliously actually 2) I do watch and read A LOT (but I have trouble retaining/extracting what I need at my level from those post and VODs) 3) I will NOT cheese my way to the top, as I found the 7 RR cheesy. Look what I got from 7RR to gold, nothing... I just caught so many players off guard. At the plat level they all seemed to know how to counter it. 4) I want to improve the way I think and play SC2. I want to change the FUNDAMENTALS. 5)This is not about one race being OP. I eventually want to play Random, so race is not the issue. my main issue is my mentality, drive and MECHANICS Keep it coming!! I'm getting really motivated by all the testimonials! I'm honestly so happy that my goals are attainable with work! <3<3<3 | ||
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Hotshot_NA
Australia12 Posts
i play on both SEA and NA accounts. When Season 1 started i was bronze, had no idea what i was doing. Before the end of season 1 i was diamond for 1v1, random 2s, random 3s, random 4s in both servers. Now at the end of season 2 i am high diamond 1v1 and masters 2s, masters 3s and masters4. i dont play a lot of ladder, i play more customs with friends, but i am very often beating masters and even a couple grandmasters in 1v1. I aim to be a high masters 1v1 player through out season 3. This is how i improved: 1) Watch casters - Day9 and Husky were great for me, casting pro games really helped me understand thigns better 2) read up on Teamliquid - strategies, build orders 3) Practice, practice, practice it is possible! Stick with it! | ||
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Metora
United States25 Posts
On July 19 2011 16:53 seefernando wrote: Hello everyone, I'm kinda worried about making this post as TL seems very hardcore about irrelevant post and banning people... Let me start with saying that I am a Noob. I Suck at SC2 and I suck at video games in general. There is just something about SC2 that makes me want to improve. I want to be able to predict what my opponent is doing. The rush of holding off a 6 pool and walking in with colossus is amazing! I want to get into the Masters league. That is my goal. I want my mechanics and macro so perfect that I never get supply blocked or miss a warp in. I've read a lot of post and talked to a lot of people about my skill level and my abilities. I want your input. I really want this to be a community experiment. Is it possible for a bronze leguer to get to Masters? I'm not looking for a miracle. I know it won't happen overnight. But with your help it can happen efficiently. Yes I have read http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=208343 and numerous other posts on TL and B.Net, and I am willing to do whatever it takes to get me to masters. I don't want to cheese my way there. I genuinely want to change the way I think, play and act in SC2. So basically, HELP ME!!! <3 Thanks NomNomNom To answer your question, yes it is possible to achieve your dream of going from bronze to Masters. I know because, I did it myself. it was a very, very ,very ,very, very , very, very , very long journey. I can highlight to you my personal hardships along the way. I started at rank 98 bronze. (I had played starcraft 1, but only on N64 and I thought I was pretty good.) From about bronze to Silver league rank 1, i literally massed void rays every game. At this point I hit a wall, and a friend of mine I know outside of SC2 showed me the 4 gate. He showed it to me and said do this every game. So I did, and actually went from silver to mid platinum. That is when I decided to actually learn the game. At this point I had to learn unit counters, different build orders, strengths of other races, and BASIC timings. After a few months of just improving basic components of my play I advanced to Diamond league. I hit the wall in diamond league too many times to count. Diamond to Master is the most difficult jump to make. To truly make the jump from Diamond to Master you need to not only master your race, but master the other races. You need to read starcraft 2 strategy forum and sc2 general on this website religiously. I am talking multiple times a day. You must ladder, ladder, ladder, and try at all costs to not tilt. When you tilt you will lose to stupid things, you normally do not and it is not helpful for your development as a player. The last thing I can reccomend to you, is to find friends that are better than you. I got to masters by having supportive friends around me, who could help me and tell me when i was doing stupid things. You need these people to point out your flaws, so you can work on them and not be mad when they tell you. I wish you the best of luck, but it is possible and do not give up. Just remember - Metora (Bronze league rank 98) - Metora (Master League) | ||
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dark_dragoon10
United States299 Posts
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KARnyge
United States132 Posts
1. Watch streamed coaching sessions and take notes yourself 2. Watch Day [9] (by now this is a given since you said you watch is religiously) 3. Watch pro matches and study their builds not in a aspect of unit composition but by why they are doing that certain build because of map, opponent's race, and spawn positions 4. Play the game! (I used to watch streams like Sen and Idra out of enjoyment and I realized I watch more than i played. 5. Get good at "unit guessing" this is when you try to guess in the early, mid, and late game how much stuff your opponent has. 6. Play for a longer game and refine your mechanics. Have fun and good luck ggs :D | ||
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inqsolarus
Australia34 Posts
I believe!! | ||
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ttzy
5 Posts
Play a game vs the very easy ai until 10 minutes. Do this every week as to get a benchmark on how your macro is improving. | ||
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phiinix
United States1169 Posts
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