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On July 20 2011 20:07 Ghad wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 16:55 zeehar wrote:
of course it's possible, with a lot of hard work and a ton of time spent playing, watching, reading and analysing.
i'm curious as to how long it'll take. maybe two seasons (as long as you're inherently bad at sc2)? I would have to respond by saying: lol. If all the inherently bad players could get to masters in two seasons... I don't even know how to end that sentence, because your logic is boggling my mind.
i started off with no RTS experience besides playing some red alert with friends for fun on weekends. was at 3 wins and 13 losses in bronze. by the end of sesaon 1 i was Diamond. now i am Masters. yes. its absolutely possible
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From my personal experience it just needs a lot of watching, but also a lot of playing, I watch more than I play and am trying to reverse that  I started as bronze and have played about 4-500 ladder games and am now top gold, hoping for plat when next season starts.
My faults mostly come from mechanics, wasting time thinking about what to do now, and what to do next, its MUCH better now that it used to be but I want to get to the point that building pylons, buildings, workers, etc is all muscle memory and I can devote more brain power to decision making, micro, etc.
You can get there if you try, just keep playing, and watching/reading what those that are good at this game tell you!
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Went from Bronze to Diamond in about 4 months, august - november and 300-400 games.
Then raceswitched to zerg. Still stuck in high diamond 
And yes, focusing on macro and mechanics almost exclusively will get you to diamond.
Oh, and learning to beat the most basic cheezes will also give you quite a few games.
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if u work hard enough u definitely can getting from bronze -> plat requires decent mechanics and macro, so focus on that for now
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i've gone from bronze -> rank 1 plat (should be diamond tuesday) and thats including a race swap.
you can definitely do it, just dont give up on yourself, and when you need confidence, listen to:
Save the World - Swedish House Mafia
Good luck and hopefully see you at the top!
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Also, focus on playing standard games with little to no cheese, and rather learn to hold off cheese. That's what I focused on a TON.
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I started with zero RTS experience besides playing WC3 and SC:BW with all the cheats on and cannoning up through singleplayer. When I first started Toss I could only beat the computer by hoping they didn't scout my proxy pylon and I attacked when they were moving out. I was bad.
Fast forward a couple months, a couple breaks, two seasons, I'm Mid Masters. From Bronze to Diamond Rank 1 was a pretty steady climb, then after that I experienced a lot of frustration and attempted to cheese my way up, only 4-gated, etc. I took a couple weeks off and played mostly customs, came back won a couple and now I'm Masters.
I don't consider myself that great, my APM is usually just under 100 and I often lose games based around heavy harassment and tricky army engagements. However, I consider my macro pretty spot on. So long as you focus on improving certain areas, analyze replays, and watch the professionals play and adopt their play styles, yo can definitely make it to Masters, just don't expect it overnight.
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I started off in the beta with 0 rts experience, except wc3 single player. At the time, copper was the lowest league and so I was there untill that was removed, and bronze was the lowest... I think I got to silver in the last beta phase.
A week after release I was diamond, and masters a week after the release of master league. All it takes is playing a lot and being engaged, f ex through watching a lot of tournaments etc...
I still suck btw. I just suck with a bit better mechanics and game sense.
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I was in copper at the start of the Beta. Now I can beat high masters players. What you have to do is commit a little more to SC2.
I started analyzing replays. Looking for builds to master, trying to multitask better; I dropped one medivac at first while macroing, later I started to do dual drops while macroing and now I do triple drops while moving out with my army if possible.
But the main thing was analyzing replays Day[9]-style. ANALYZE PRO REPLAYS AND SEE WHAT THEY ARE DOING. Try to mimick them and play as a pro. It will naturally make you better after a few hundred games. LOL
Just do some analyzing, train multitasking and go mass ladder.
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Of course it's possible to get into Masters league, you just need to practice a lot and you will get there no doubt about it.
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If i had to give you a tip, it would be the following:
IGNORE Day9, IGNORE vod's, IGNORE replays! You need to play. You don't learn swimming from a book and you don't learn playing from watching day9 talk.
As a bronze player, you have huge, obvious flaws in your play. As soon as your macro becomes better, you should at least get up to platinum, regardless of you build order or micro.
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I personally don't think its worth to agonize yourself into masters. You will have to play and train a lot and for what? Being a 'master' at a computer game? LOL
Since I realized sc2 is just another game it pretty much decreased my play time by 80% and I love it. Way more time to do other (useful) stuff. So yes, anyone can reach master league, but ask yourself if its really that important to you. Getting to master league does not give you any status in RL and if you want to impress people posting here its futile anyway.
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On July 24 2011 22:52 Hetz wrote:
I personally don't think its worth to agonize yourself into masters. You will have to play and train a lot and for what? Being a 'master' at a computer game? LOL
Since I realized sc2 is just another game it pretty much decreased my play time by 80% and I love it. Way more time to do other (useful) stuff. So yes, anyone can reach master league, but ask yourself if its really that important to you. Getting to master league does not give you any status in RL and if you want to impress people posting here its futile anyway.
That's true for any hobby. You can be ambitious without aiming for money and fame.
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i started in silver and im diamond level and imo masters in my tvp and i have a friend who went from bronze last july to diamond/master now in about 400 ladder games
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On July 24 2011 22:52 Hetz wrote:
I personally don't think its worth to agonize yourself into masters. You will have to play and train a lot and for what? Being a 'master' at a computer game? LOL
Since I realized sc2 is just another game it pretty much decreased my play time by 80% and I love it. Way more time to do other (useful) stuff. So yes, anyone can reach master league, but ask yourself if its really that important to you. Getting to master league does not give you any status in RL and if you want to impress people posting here its futile anyway.
lol, how pathetic. Its a good thing kasparov and the like didnt take their advice from people like you.
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On July 19 2011 16:53 seefernando wrote:
I want to get into the Masters league. That is my goal. I want my mechanics and macro so perfect that I never get supply blocked or miss a warp in.
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I want your input. I really want this to be a community experiment. Is it possible for a bronze leguer to get to Masters?
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I don't want to cheese my way there.
It is entirely possible for a bronze league player to get into Masters. I started off as a bronze league player with only some DotA experience (ie, no real RTS experience) to back me up. 220 1v1s (about 140 wins) later and I am in Masters.
To be quite honest, you don't need anywhere close to perfect mechanics or macro to get into Master League. To go up in Master league is a different story, but to simply get in is a joke on the NA servers.
I agree with you: DO NOT CHEESE YOUR WAY THERE. I chose to 4 gate every game in order to get into Master League, which made everything much more difficult for me. Destroying Master players in a macro game is infinitely easier than 4 gating them (Yes, I did PvP 4 gates in PvZ -.-). While I did learn how to execute 4 gate pushes very well, it simply was not efficient.
After hitting Master League, it only took me 50 games to bring my macro up to par with other low-mid Master players. In other words, if I chose to play macro game from the start, it probably would have taken only 100 or so games to go from Bronze to Masters.
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In 1 year, with no more than 100 matches in BW, no RTS experience (but 10 years PC gaming), and a 6 months pause, i got Diamond, starting from Gold placement > Silver > Bronze > Silver > Gold > Plat > Diamond.
High Diamond people demoted me. At this time i'm like #30 Platinum, mainly playing for lulz. I think i hit a skillcap around Top 25 Diamond on EU Server. But with more work and games, yes it is definitely possible i think.
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As a player who started in Bronze, and now finds himself on the verge of Masters, I can certainly vouch for it being possible.
It's taken nearly a year of learning and practice since release, and roughly 1000 1v1's, but so long as you remain dedicated I don't doubt that one day in the near future we'll be addressing you as Master NomNomNom.
It's important to note that getting to Diamond is not the difficult part - it only took me about 3 months to reach Diamond, if that, maybe 300 games. That's because the road to Diamond is paved with Macro, and nothing but. If you have decent fundamentals, you should find yourself there in no time. It's getting to Masters that is the god-awfully difficult part, because it requires a much deeper understanding of the game to achieve.
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Step 1: Bind your hatchery and drone and spam them until 500 APM so you look pro
Step 2: Build a pool at 6
Step 3: Attack and place in masters
Jokes aside, i started of with zerg and then switched terran and now playing toss, this was my first RTS game ever and i went from bronze to diamond in season 2 with ~450 games played and aiming for masters in season 3. Just play alot and try out new builds, watch tournaments and streams of your race (i really think that watching streams and tournaments of my race made me improve ALOT) to get good build orders and so. Rather learn different builds for each race instead of like 4 gating your way up against eveything, cause you will get to a point where "cheese" doesent work anymore and then you'll probly get stuck.
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With hard work it is easy to go from bronze to master, I did it, all I do is play a lot.
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