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I was on my way to watch X-Men with a couple friends and this happens ...
1. I go into the right lane to turn and I'm behind a Camry, we both come to a stop because a car just passed.
2. In "Picture 4", where you see the car in the back, that was where the cop car was and he was going straight (in the right lane).
3. The car in front decides he has enough room to go into the right lane of "Picture 2" and he starts to move.
4. I check (after I see the Camry start to go) where the cop car is and I conclude even I have room to go into the right lane behind the Camry.
5. I start going and my front passenger side hits his rear driver side. I look to see what happened and he had stopped which was why I hit him.
The other pictures are for reference and the distance from the cop car to the Camry was around 10 car lengths. EDIT: Oh and the lights in "Picture 3" were orange (the lights facing the cop) which would mean he would've have to stop at the intersection.
Now in most cases a rear end is a straight case where the car in the back pays for everything. However, the Camry had already started to go and he had stopped out of nowhere so what I'm wondering is, whose fault is this, and should I take this to court? at worst his fixes will cost $1000 CAD and mine will be close to $4000 CAD =.=
NOTE: I called my insurance agent but they closed at 6PM and I also went to the police station and they also closed at 6PM. So I can't do anything till tomorrow morning so I figured I'd ask here to see what an outsiders opinion on this is.
Last but not least, my entire front side is FUCKED, I'm just estimating but it seems like there's no damage to the frame so it'll cost about 2000 at least ... for the Camry only his rear bumper was messed and its a 2007 and the guy who was driving was like "It's going to cost 2000 to replace the bumper", what a load of shit ...
Picture 1
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Picture 2
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Picture 3
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Picture 4
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2ND EDIT: Added pictures of my baby ...  The cooler is completely pressed up against the frame of the car, the front bumper is completely fucked, and my fender needs rolling, fog light is broken, headlight has a crack on the top corner ... OUISDHFIDFIUSHDOFUISHDIOFU is all I can say.
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I don't see how this could possibly not be your fault. If your car is moving, you should be aware of where it's going and what's happening around you.
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On June 12 2011 13:58 Radical wrote:
I don't see how this could possibly not be your fault. If your car is moving, you should be aware of where it's going and what's happening around you.
He went, I went, he stopped all of a sudden. I asked him if that was a normal car and not a cop car would he have just went and he answers "Yes". Then I ask him why did you stop when that cop car didn't have his lights or sirens on, and he answers "It was my decision".
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So the gist of your story is that while you weren't looking, the car stopped and you were accelerating, and you drove into his rear door..?
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On June 12 2011 14:00 H wrote:
So the gist of your story is that while you weren't looking, the car stopped and you were accelerating, and you drove into his rear door..?
I was what you would call "inching forward" and i hit his rear bumper in the corner. I'm not denying that a large part of this is my fault but I don't understand why he stopped.
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I don't think you have a snowball's chance in hell of taking this to court. Live and learn, I guess.
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United States22883 Posts
Unfortunately it doesn't matter why he did it. :/ How bad is it? Any pics of the damage?
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
Still your fault, man. You can never assume that a car will be where you predict it's going to be. If I'm on the road minding my own business, and someone in front of me puts on the brakes hard for no reason, and I rear-end him, I'm liable no matter what. Even though it's really "his fault", I should have been far enough behind him so that I didn't hit him when he put on the brakes.
It's the same in this situation. Even though it's "his fault" for doing something unpredictable, it's your fault under the law. You should have been more careful; next time, I'm sure you'll look instead of just assuming. It's an expensive lesson to learn :\
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I don't know it sounds like it's both your fault because he stopped for no reason and you weren't paying attention so like you said it's hard to tell.
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I think in either case as long as you're the driver who hits someone else in the back, you are at fault. As much as this sucks due to assholes who suddenly stop, I can't I know of anyone who's not been at fault for rear ending someone.
I had a slightly similar situation a couple years ago where a car made a right at a stop sign onto a relatively busy road. Turns out he only partially made the right, and I didn't see because I had my car loaded with stuff as I was on my way to college. Luckily the other driver agreed to not get the cops involved, we exchanged information and phone numbers, and I never got a call for paying his repair bill which I offered to, so I lucked out pretty well.
I assume with a police car so close you weren't as lucky. Wish you the best of luck getting it all resolved
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The cop car didn't even see it and he just went along ... and I edited the OP with the pictures of my baby ...
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
On June 12 2011 14:08 Battleaxe wrote:
I think in either case as long as you're the driver who hits someone else in the back, you are at fault. As much as this sucks due to assholes who suddenly stop, I can't I know of anyone who's not been at fault for rear ending someone.
I had a slightly similar situation a couple years ago where a car made a right at a stop sign onto a relatively busy road. Turns out he only partially made the right, and I didn't see because I had my car loaded with stuff as I was on my way to college. Luckily the other driver agreed to not get the cops involved, we exchanged information and phone numbers, and I never got a call for paying his repair bill which I offered to, so I lucked out pretty well.
I assume with a police car so close you weren't as lucky. Wish you the best of luck getting it all resolved
Oh, by the way, this is an example of why you should always get the cops involved if the other guy is liable 
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Law is stupid, he was stopped, you hit him, it's your fault :/
That sucks, anyone seen Super 8? I liked it.
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You're fucked as far as the law is concerned, unfortunately you'll have to pony up.
Oddly enough the same thing happened to me like 3 blocks west of there. Same turning lane situation on the corner of Harvest Hills Blvd and Country Hills Blvd right at the theater. The minivan in front of me starts to go, so I inch up looking left to check and rear end it going like 2kph.
No noticeable damage to either vehicle, it was literally a crawling pace, but the guy jumps out of the drivers seat and runs to the other side of the van, pulls the sliding door open and pulls out his baby boy... who had spent the fucking afternoon finger painting his face red before they left the house. Scared the shit out of me to see a guy frantically pull what looked like a mangled-faced baby out of the van lol.
I've seen some pretty shitty driving lately. 3 people running reds the last 2 days alone. Dangerous ass drivers in Calgary.
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Yeah, your fault.
You're supposed to keep a distance so that you have time to stop if the car in front of you suddenly slams on the breaks. If you get rear-ended it's never your fault.
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Yeah, it was your fault. Like SolHeim said, you need to keep distance (most people say about 2 cars worth or enough that you can see their wheels minimum). If the driver in front stops or does something weird then you'll be able to react (you don't know what's in front of them, maybe little gracklings for all you know ).
It sucks but it happens, need to be more aware when driving.
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Aren't you the guy that escaped a cop in a car? I seem to remember that blog a long time ago.
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brg this to court so u can pay that guy w.e it costs to repair his rear bumper
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infinity21
Canada6683 Posts
That sucks man. Gogo 125 hours of tutoring!
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Gonna have to sell a looooooooot of Entus jackets to pay this one off.
What's with you, cars and cops?
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It's like I attract cops and problems when I'm in my car ... ugh
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If you were really "inching forward" your card wouldn't be that hosed up. Nice try though.
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If you can't pay for repairs, you can always inch forward into someone with the left side, so both sides will be evened out. If people ask, tell them it's the new fad.
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On June 12 2011 16:56 Hittegods wrote:
If you were really "inching forward" your card wouldn't be that hosed up. Nice try though.
The car is weak as shit as far as the material goes, I was going maybe 5km/h =.=
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On June 12 2011 16:36 kOre wrote:
It's like I attract cops and problems when I'm in my car ... ugh
Probably because you're a bad driver. If your OP is any indicator of how you drive generally I wouldn't be surprised if you're one of those people who drive like a madman and get mad at others when they are actually the ones in the wrong.
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Didn't they teach you in driving school that you have to keep safe distance between you and a car infront of you ?
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I've seen enough police reports to tell you that even if the car in front of you had slammed on his brakes for almost no reason and you rear-ended him, chances are it's going to be your fault for hitting him, as unfair as that sounds. You should consider yourself lucky that that you weren't cited for failure to maintain adequate stopping distance.
Basically, the law expects that you always maintain enough distance with the car ahead so you don't rear-end them, regardless of how fast they stop.
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How does that sound unfair in the least bit?
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Aww shit man, doesn't look like you can sneak your way outta this one too easy. Sucks even more cuz I always remember you as a 'nice car man'
BBoy your sorrows away bro
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You hit someone from behind, you're at fault. Only thing there is to it. Sucks dick, I know.
Hope it doesn't hurt the wallet too badly.
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Dont get the cops/insurance involved. It will likely cost you a lot more over the years.
Quick google of price reveals:
http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/showthread.php?t=160679
2k to fix the bumper is BS
Difficult to justify your case unless you have an eye witness/the person you hit has a bad history with accidents. I have heard of people who purposely get involved in accidents for the insurance money.
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I think you have to reconsider how you're driving when you have like three car-related/careless driving related blogs in a year.
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On June 13 2011 05:11 Hikari wrote:
Difficult to justify your case unless you have an eye witness/the person you hit has a bad history with accidents. I have heard of people who purposely get involved in accidents for the insurance money.
I still don't think he would have a case. No matter what way you look at it, the accident was 100% the OP's fault. It's not like a swoop-and-squat where the driver is forced into a crash and made to look like it is his/her fault.
The OP can't really argue "Yeah sure, it's my fault that I wasn't paying attention to the road, but the other guy totally did it on purpose! He knew that I wouldn't be watching his car!" That's never gonna fly in court.
On June 13 2011 05:33 djcube wrote:
I think you have to reconsider how you're driving when you have like three car-related/careless driving related blogs in a year.
This. Especially silly is this post:
On June 12 2011 16:36 kOre wrote:
It's like I attract cops and problems when I'm in my car ... ugh
When people "attract cops and problems" while driving, the most natural conclusion to me is that they are a bad driver...
I understand that it sucks that you can lose thousands of dollars with a couple moments of inattention, but that is the nature of driving. I bet you'll pay attention to what's in front of you from now on at least.
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I asked him this morning, if there was no car coming would you have still stopped, and he's like yeah I would to be safe. Yield sign means "Stop if there is oncoming traffic" how is stopping at something like that safe driving? It's kind of like someone saying "Oh I'm driving slow to be safe" when the highway speed is 100 and he/she is going 60.
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I'm sorry but your previous post just is a little too much. How can you blame him for stopping at a yield sign? You're glossing over your own mistake and focusing too much on his minor mistake.
Even if someone is driving at 60 on the highway, you're supposed to maintain a safe enough distance to not hit them in the rear. Is this too hard to understand? I feel like people like you give people that like nice cars a bad reputation.
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You're a nice guy but this way entirely your fault. It's a common mistake when yielding. Good thing you didn't drive into a crossing pedestrian.
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On June 13 2011 08:52 Durak wrote:
You're a nice guy but this way entirely your fault. It's a common mistake when yielding. Good thing you didn't drive into a crossing pedestrian.
Sigh ... the stupid ass cop quoted 2000 for a rear bumper replacement ONLY on the stupid ass Camry ... are these people fucking stupid? I could put on the rear bumper and it'd only cost 300 for the part ... if I (which will most likely happen) have to pay for this crap ...
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On June 13 2011 08:54 kOre wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 08:52 Durak wrote:
You're a nice guy but this way entirely your fault. It's a common mistake when yielding. Good thing you didn't drive into a crossing pedestrian. Sigh ... the stupid ass cop quoted 2000 for a rear bumper replacement ONLY on the stupid ass Camry ... are these people fucking stupid? I could put on the rear bumper and it'd only cost 300 for the part ... if I (which will most likely happen) have to pay for this crap ...
No, they're not stupid. You caused the crash, and so it's on you to foot the bill for wherever the person gets their bumper fixed. If it's cheaper than 2000, you won't have to pay 2000...
You really should stop trying to thrust the blame from yourself for all of this. It's not right to get all pissy at the cop and the person you hit for a situation that's entirely your fault.
From the other person's point of view, they're probably mad that this other guy hit their car from behind and has the audacity to blame them for it...
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On June 13 2011 09:06 matjlav wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 08:54 kOre wrote:On June 13 2011 08:52 Durak wrote:
You're a nice guy but this way entirely your fault. It's a common mistake when yielding. Good thing you didn't drive into a crossing pedestrian. Sigh ... the stupid ass cop quoted 2000 for a rear bumper replacement ONLY on the stupid ass Camry ... are these people fucking stupid? I could put on the rear bumper and it'd only cost 300 for the part ... if I (which will most likely happen) have to pay for this crap ... No, they're not stupid. You caused the crash, and so it's on you to foot the bill for wherever the person gets their bumper fixed. If it's cheaper than 2000, you won't have to pay 2000... You really should stop trying to thrust the blame from yourself for all of this. It's not right to get all pissy at the cop and the person you hit for a situation that's entirely your fault.
I know I'm at fault, the problem I have is, the bumper DOES NOT cost 2000 dollars to replace, and the cop as well as the GM place where the guy usually gets his car checked (why the fuck does he go to a GM place when he has a Nissan and Toyota?) both quoted it for that much. No way in hell am I paying that, fucking milkers.
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Sorry to say it but... people in cars stop, if your not looking, its your fault.
No matter the reason of the stop. But sorry to hear it !
Look on the bright side, at least wasnt a serious crash that could of injured yourself or the other person.
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Did you call the ambulance? You're lucky he didn't claim soft tissue or something like that. Why would you have to pay the bill, can't you put it through insurance? A good indicator of distance is to be able to see the ground under his rear bumper. I rear ended a Toyota Tercel (damn thing was a tank) in my Sunfire because of road conditions, which the police stated. However, because I hit the back of him, I was automatically at fault when it came to the insurance companies. I also bent my rad support if by cooler you mean rad and its not a cheap thing to get fixed, at least not on the Sunfire. Minor fender benders are a pain in the butt and the wallet, I know all about it but there are worse things that could happen, someone could have been seriously hurt. I'd seriously say to take it as a learning experience, that way it can only make you a better driver.
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It was minor on his ... I wish it was minor on mine ... I opened it up and inside the front bumper is about 50 different shattered pieces ..
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On June 13 2011 08:45 kOre wrote:
I asked him this morning, if there was no car coming would you have still stopped, and he's like yeah I would to be safe. Yield sign means "Stop if there is oncoming traffic" how is stopping at something like that safe driving? It's kind of like someone saying "Oh I'm driving slow to be safe" when the highway speed is 100 and he/she is going 60.
you're supposed stop to look. You get pulled over otherwise. Man up.
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In Germany this case would be fully your fault, my son had 2 weeks ago kinda same accident and his front looked like yours. The Xenonlight on his car alone did cost € 1.500, awaiting the bill for the others bumper :D
Just be happy none got hurt
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Whatever happened to 2 car-lengths' separation?
Don't squeeze into traffic. If you do, you better be riding the brakes and butting in so that the guy behind you has to be wary of you, not you wary of the guy in front. Your head should also be on a swivel making sure you're aware of everything going on around you, like unexpected stopping cars.
The guy in front cannot control what is going on behind him, but he does have brake lights and signals, which should be enough to tell other drivers what he is doing. People drive unpredictably, but it is your responsibility to drive defensibly to compensate for the unpredictability of other drivers.
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Oh I missed the part where you said you were going 3mph. LOL. Do you think people here have never been in an accident?? Tapping someone when you inch off doesnt mangle a front bumper like that.
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On June 13 2011 09:08 kOre wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 09:06 matjlav wrote:On June 13 2011 08:54 kOre wrote:On June 13 2011 08:52 Durak wrote:
You're a nice guy but this way entirely your fault. It's a common mistake when yielding. Good thing you didn't drive into a crossing pedestrian. Sigh ... the stupid ass cop quoted 2000 for a rear bumper replacement ONLY on the stupid ass Camry ... are these people fucking stupid? I could put on the rear bumper and it'd only cost 300 for the part ... if I (which will most likely happen) have to pay for this crap ... No, they're not stupid. You caused the crash, and so it's on you to foot the bill for wherever the person gets their bumper fixed. If it's cheaper than 2000, you won't have to pay 2000... You really should stop trying to thrust the blame from yourself for all of this. It's not right to get all pissy at the cop and the person you hit for a situation that's entirely your fault. I know I'm at fault, the problem I have is, the bumper DOES NOT cost 2000 dollars to replace, and the cop as well as the GM place where the guy usually gets his car checked (why the fuck does he go to a GM place when he has a Nissan and Toyota?) both quoted it for that much. No way in hell am I paying that, fucking milkers.
There is no obligation for your victim to seek out the best possible deal. You would have a case if the costs were significantly larger than what the standard costs are - but I would think that GM sets the standard costs, rather than exceeds them.
All they have to argue is, "Listen, this kOre fellow busted my car. I have my life to live and the GM dealership is closest to my place, it doesn't make sense for me to go anywhere else. I shouldn't have to further inconvenience myself to save this guy some money when it is his fault that I am in this position." and I bet you a judge will most likely agree with them.
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On June 13 2011 22:03 TheGiz wrote:
Whatever happened to 2 car-lengths' separation?
We all learn that while driving, just like how we learn to follow that 100km/h sign on the highway. But in the real world, sticking to such "rules" is often impossible/even dangerous.
My mother used to yell at me when I go 120 on the highway (standard traffic speed), so I performed 2 experiments:
a) I drove at 100. Cars honk and go around me.
b) I drove at traffic speed but kept a 3.5 car distance from the car in front of me. Result: cars keep cutting into the space.
Similar results also apply to regular street traffic.
After the demonstrated my mother just let me drive the way I want.
By no means am I trying to encourage bad driving habits: I do not want to get into any accidents. I always check the sidewalks for pedestrians (and especially bikers: I almost got ran over quite a few times when I biked to work/school).
Biking is another thing I have an issue with: I believe we are not supposed to bike on the sidewalks but lets be serious: biking on the main street (w/o a bike lane) is probably a lot more dangerous. If there is, lets say, a piece of rock and you fail to notice it and fall: you are most likely going to die getting hit by a car than falling on the ground.
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This happened to my brother awhile ago, only he was the victim. They do tend to quote way more than the damage would actually cost to fix, at least if you did it yourself. My dad ended up collecting $3500(car cost $6000) in insurance and bought a bumper on craigslist for $30 and just ended up replacing it himself.
Maybe he's a nice guy and if you can research and buy a bumper for him, and go to his house and install it, he will let you off on paying the dealership to do it. It was definitely your fault though, pay attention next time and assume EVERYONE is going to do retarded shit. It's the safest way to go.
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On June 14 2011 02:50 Gnial wrote:
All they have to argue is, "Listen, this kOre fellow busted my car. I have my life to live and the GM dealership is closest to my place, it doesn't make sense for me to go anywhere else. I shouldn't have to further inconvenience myself to save this guy some money when it is his fault that I am in this position." and I bet you a judge will most likely agree with them.
This is how it works. Consider it tax for not paying attention while driving, and be happy it's not on your insurance record.
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