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unkkz
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Norway2196 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-06 09:16:03
May 05 2011 21:58 GMT
#1
--update--

OK update.

I went to see my proffessor, and the level of idiocy is astounding to me. FIrst of all, he didnt set the grade, someone else independant did so he cant do squat about it. Second is the way it was judged. It was judged as a whole, and my contribution significantly drove the entire projects grade up, it was the best thing about it all by far he said(he even knew who i was right at the start when i entered the room and said i wanted to complain about a grade, figures) so he was on my side here, sorta. The individual part he explained, was pretty much only to drag someone down in grades if they for example hadn´t done so much work on the entire thing. And while my contribution drove the entire project up, it couldn ´t bring me up personally(due to the "system" and the way it was judged he said).

I asked then what was all this fuzz about "individual grades" and he yet again said that it was just to drag people down. He gave som examples that had i for instance done absolutely nothing, nill, nada of the other parts of the project then maybe that would´ve helped my cause but again it wouldn´t since everyone was supposed to do a lil of everything(i did like 5% of the animations). So in other words, my hard effort could only drag the project up, not my own grade. While the work of the other people could drag me down personally...(and it did)

And in order to write a formal complaint, i have to get the entire group to complain. I cannot do it alone since its a group assignment(again why then state youre gonna give individual grades based on performance?) and while he told me i should just try and do that, since he felt sorry for me, he said that it would probably just be judged the exact same way yet again.

I am just... dumbfound and angry. Had i known this i would´ve pushed my group members alot or done the thing myself. Im taking this thing one step higher on the power ladder so to say and see where that takes me, probably to the same bullshit answers. Shit im angry, wasted so much time and work and even let another course suffer a bit since i figured i had a shot at a really good grade in this one.

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Hi TL, today i got the result from an exam assignment i worked my ass off for, and i am pissed. The assignment was for a introductionary class to flash programing, called "Gamepograming for flash" and it assumed people only had the very basic knowledge in programing such as knowing what a function is and what it does etc. It was a group assignment but we were supposed to recieve individual grades(To clarify you were graded after what YOU did, if i did 100% coding id be judged by the code, if i did 100% graphics id be judged by the graphics), this assignment is 100% of the grade for the class, its college level.

Of the workload in the group i did pretty much all programing and my two partners did the graphical aspect, not that i mind it but the work i put in was probably 5x more then what my group partners put in, they are cool guys so im not raging at them or anything - its how we divided it and i didnt mind it.

So the results come in, fairly quickly mind you, and my two group buddies tells me they both got D's, which didnt surprise me all that much, the game could've looked alot better and i think they know it too, they hated the class and just wanted to pass it i think. So at this time i figure i have maybe a B, but at the very least a C. Since i was pretty proud about the code and i had a Master grade student look it over before i handed it in and he said it looked pretty sweet compared to the requirements for the class it was fairly advanced. So i login to my student webpage, and i've recieved a D. A freaking D, the same grade my two group buddies got and i did 5x the work, and the code looks good.

The code(programing stuff here, if u dont know this, just skip this part)
The other games i looked at had all code in one file down in the flash timeline. My coding was object oriented with classes for major elements such as enemies, weapons, sound and a main class for most functions. It had "methoding" or however you call it, and it was fairly clean and adaptable. I worked on this pretty much all semester, im comparisment i got a D on a PHP programing exam last year which i studied for a grand total of one week, and before that week i knew nothing about programing or PHP. So i half assed that majorly, so i didnt really mind the D. I also dont mind showing the code if anyone wants to judge it a bit. So i work my ass off, get really satisified with the code and get a freaking D, same grade my group mates got mind you, vs i learn PHP programing in one week and get a D...

Code here for anyone that wants to take a look, this is the main class:
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This isn't "superadvanced" by any means, but for a sorta beginners course of flash i'd say its pretty good, at least a C, but please tell me waht u think. THis is the main class btw, other classes are enemyFire/Ice/Earth etc and weapontypes, thePlayer, MySound and one more which i cant remember(lol tired).


package // Main code/class
{

import flash.display.*;
import flash.events.*;
import flash.ui.Keyboard;
import flash.text.TextField;
import flash.media.Sound;
import flash.net.URLRequest;
import flash.events.MouseEvent;
import flash.utils.Timer;
import flash.events.TimerEvent;

public class main extends MovieClip
{
private var player:thePlayer;
private var enemyTime:int = 0;
private var enemyLimit:int = 100;
private var myHitsNo:int;
private var mybullets:Array;
private var enemys:Array;
private var weaponType:int;
private var myLives:int;
private var fireTimer:Timer; //delay between shots
private var canFire:Boolean = true;
private var mySound:MySound;
private var bulletSpeed:Number = -450;

//public var soundFX = new Sound();
public var spawnPoint1:int = 295;
public var spawnPoint2:int = 385;
public var spawnPoint3:int = 475;
public var spawnPoint4:int = 567;;
public var enemySpeed:int = 4;

public function main()
{
//load sounds
mySound = new MySound();
}

private function playGame(event:MouseEvent)
{
gotoAndStop(2);
// initialize
myLives = 5;
myHitsNo = 0;
weaponType = 1;
mybullets = new Array();
enemys = new Array();
myScoreTxt.text = "Score: " + myHitsNo;
myLivesTxt.text = "Lives: " + myLives;

fireTimer = new Timer(400, 1);
fireTimer.addEventListener(TimerEvent.TIMER, shootTimerHandler, false, 0, true);

stage.addEventListener(KeyboardEvent.KEY_DOWN, listenKeyDown);
stage.addEventListener(Event.ENTER_FRAME, addEnemy);
stage.addEventListener(Event.ENTER_FRAME, checkCollision);
player = new thePlayer(stage.stageWidth-40, spawnPoint2);// stage.stageHeight/2);
stage.focus = player;
addChild(player);

mySound.playBgSound();
}

private function cleanUp()
{
stage.removeEventListener(KeyboardEvent.KEY_DOWN, listenKeyDown);
stage.removeEventListener(Event.ENTER_FRAME, addEnemy);
stage.removeEventListener(Event.ENTER_FRAME, checkCollision);

// remove all children manually
// copy the array so we dont delete items in the array
// we`re working in
var tmpArray = new Array();
for(var i in mybullets)
{
tmpArray.push(mybullets[i]);
}
for (var j in tmpArray)
{
tmpArray[j].deleteBullet();
}

tmpArray = new Array();
for(var k in enemys)
{
tmpArray.push(enemys[k]);
}
for(var l in tmpArray)
{
tmpArray[l].deleteEnemy();
}

removeChild(player);
fireTimer = null;

mySound.stopBgSound();
}

private function gotoStartScreen(event:MouseEvent)
{
cleanUp();
gotoAndStop(1);
}

public function listenKeyDown(event:KeyboardEvent) // Controls and weapontype selector
{
if (event.keyCode == 37) //left
{
player.movethePlayerDown();
}
if (event.keyCode == 39) //right
{
player.movethePlayerUp();
}
if (event.keyCode == Keyboard.SPACE) //space
{
shootBullet();
//soundFX.attachSound("Pistol Fire.wav");
//soundFX.start();
}
if (event.keyCode == Keyboard.NUMBER_1)
{
weaponType = 1;
}
if (event.keyCode == Keyboard.NUMBER_2)
{
weaponType = 2;
}
if (event.keyCode == Keyboard.NUMBER_3)
{
weaponType = 3;
}
if (event.keyCode == Keyboard.NUMBER_4)
{
weaponType = 4;
}
}

public function shootBullet() // Self explanatory, shoots the bullet and which type of bullet
{
if (canFire)
{
if(weaponType == 1) // fire
{
mySound.playFireSound();
var b:shotFire = new shotFire(player.x,player.y, bulletSpeed);
addChild(b);
mybullets.push(b);
}
if(weaponType == 2) // water
{
mySound.playWaterSound();
var c:shotWater = new shotWater(player.x,player.y, bulletSpeed);
addChild(c);
mybullets.push(c);
}
if(weaponType == 3) // light
{
mySound.playLightSound();
var d:shotLight = new shotLight(player.x,player.y, bulletSpeed);
addChild(d);
mybullets.push(d);
}
if(weaponType == 4) // earth
{
mySound.playEarthSound();
var e:shotEarth = new shotEarth(player.x,player.y, bulletSpeed);
addChild(e);
mybullets.push(e);
}
canFire = false;
fireTimer.start();
}
}

private function shootTimerHandler(e:TimerEvent) : void
{
//timer ran, we can shoot again.
canFire = true;
}

public function removeBullet(mybullet) // Removes bullet
{
for(var i in mybullets)
{
if (mybullets[i] == mybullet)
{
mybullets.splice(i,1);
break;
}
}
}

public function removeEnemy(myEnemy) // Removes enemies
{
for(var i in enemys)
{
if (enemys[i] == myEnemy)
{
enemys.splice(i,1);
break;
}
}
}

// returns true if im out of lives; dead
public function decreaseLivesAndCheckIfDead() : Boolean // decreases lives with 1 and updates the status text
{
myLives--;
myLivesTxt.text = "Lives: " + myLives;
if (myLives < 0)
{
var score = myHitsNo; // save the score before cleanUp()
cleanUp();
gotoAndStop(3); // go to the game over screen
finalScoreTxt.text = "Your score: " + score;
return true;
}
return false;
}

public function checkCollision(event:Event) // Collision detection, but also block speed increase,
{
// copy the arrays so we dont delete items in our working arrays
var tmpArrayEnemys = new Array();
for (var k in enemys)
{
tmpArrayEnemys.push(enemys[k]);
}
var tmpArrayBullets = new Array();
for (var l in mybullets)
{
tmpArrayBullets.push(mybullets[l]);
}

for(var j in tmpArrayEnemys)
{
// check if any of the blocks hit my ship!
if (tmpArrayEnemys[j].hitTestObject(player))
{
if (decreaseLivesAndCheckIfDead())
return; // stop the collision detection if i`m dead!!

tmpArrayEnemys[j].deleteEnemy();
}

for(var i in tmpArrayBullets)
{
// check if any of the bullets on the screen hits any enemies on the screen
//if (tmpArrayBullets[i].hitTestObject(tmpArrayEnemys[j]))
if(PixelPerfectCollisionDetection.isColliding(tmpArrayBullets[i],tmpArrayEnemys[j],this,true)==true)
{
if (tmpArrayEnemys[j].hitEnemy(tmpArrayBullets[i]))
{ //count only if we actually hits the block
myHitsNo++;
myScoreTxt.text = "Score: " + myHitsNo;

if (myHitsNo % 7 == 0)
{ // increase the speed every 7th hit
enemySpeed = enemySpeed + 1;
if (enemyLimit > 30)
{
enemyLimit = enemyLimit - 10;
}
}
}

tmpArrayBullets[i].deleteBullet();
}
}
}
}

public function addEnemy(event:Event):void // How enemies are added and randomized
{
if(enemyTime < enemyLimit)
{
enemyTime ++;
}
else
{
var newEnemy;
// randomize which enemy that should spawn
var number = Math.ceil(Math.random()*4);
if (number == 1)
{
newEnemy = new enemyEarth();
}
else if (number == 2)
{
newEnemy = new enemyFire();
}
else if (number == 3)
{
newEnemy = new enemyWater();
}
else if (number == 4)
{
newEnemy = new enemyIce();
}
newEnemy.x = -1 * newEnemy.width;

// randomize the spawn point for the enemy
var spawnPoint = Math.ceil(Math.random()*4);
if (spawnPoint == 1)
{
newEnemy.y = spawnPoint1;
}
else if (spawnPoint == 2)
{
newEnemy.y = spawnPoint2;
}
else if (spawnPoint == 3)
{
newEnemy.y = spawnPoint3;
}
else if (spawnPoint == 4)
{
newEnemy.y = spawnPoint4;
}

enemys.push(newEnemy);

addChild(newEnemy);
enemyTime = 0;

}
}
}
}


The one grading it should know the workload as we wrote a report about it and filled out a form of how we divided the workload, i think it said i did 80% of the code or so.

So where does one go from here? I'm gonna complain tomorrow but anything i should ask for? How they rated it? WHat their motivation was to grade me as low as my two group members? How big is the chance i can get this bumped to like a C or something?


edit

Also something i want to add, the course avg was a B in grades. 6 out of 48 recieved a D, nobody recieved lower. So me and my buddies are 3 of the 6 lowest grades, and i certainly dont feel like i belong that far down with the work i put in and how my code looks...


57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-05 22:03:20
May 05 2011 22:02 GMT
#2
Ask politely about it, if you get rude and angry, they will make you keep the D. Maybe he/she didn't see the note or something.

Although if the entire group was supposed to get the same mark, your two partners don't deserve the mark you would have gotten, so maybe she is punishing them and second-hand punishing you (not on purpose).
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Pengu1n
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States552 Posts
May 05 2011 22:05 GMT
#3
I'm guessing your teacher didn't even look at your code at all and just the finished product. Thats what pisses me off when i spend many hours on a project trying to implement techniques that are more advanced than the project requires, yet my teacher doesn't even notice because he doesn't bother to check the code.
Talent.L
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
119 Posts
May 05 2011 22:05 GMT
#4
Cruel reality, happens to me all the time where I work 5x as hard as others but get somewhat of the same if not worse outcome.

You mind showing me your code? Btw why bump it to only C? If you want to argue for it at least bump it to a B to show that this is important to you.

Anyways, ask politely and provide your reasons. Wish you luck ;o
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5595 Posts
May 05 2011 22:06 GMT
#5
That really sucks :/ I don't think you can get your grade bumped up unless it is an obvious error from the professor. Try to be positive: for every grade that you get that is too low you will (statistically) get a too good grade compared to the effort you put in. It happens to every one in the univ sooner or later, if that makes you feel better.
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heishe
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany2284 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-05 22:10:21
May 05 2011 22:09 GMT
#6
I don't know much about sweden, but in case your professor/teacher keeps being stubborn about it, there is usually a way to go gradually up the ladder. Usually it starts with some kind of advisory professor/teacher within your school/college, if he doesn't agree with what you think you deserve you can go to the principle, and after that if you're lucky there are even overarching governmental issues where you can complain. In Germany that would be possible for example, but of course I can't speak for other countries at all.

If it's really like someone suggested above and he didn't even look at the code, then he's obviously an idiot (the class is about game programming after all) and the way up the ladder should be pretty successfull.

I'd of course start by simply talking to the professor in a nice way, first of all asking him why you received such a bad rating in the first place, and then you should go on to explain your point of view.

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loveeholicce
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Korea (South)785 Posts
May 05 2011 22:09 GMT
#7
Lol, I'm doing my IB exams now and for the first time in high school i couldnt care less about my marks. Nice feeling when you know you can just study comfortably and do ur best. Whether I get a 90 or a 50 is irrelevant at this point, as long as i pass i get a diploma and i already got accepted to the uni based on my school marks :D
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Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-05 22:11:36
May 05 2011 22:11 GMT
#8
Ask some time alone with the teacher, ask why you got that mark, and explain to him/her what you have done,(show your code). If not, you can go to the exam comitee(If you have one) I believe, and write a letter of complaint. Don't overdo it though, get some time with that teacher 1on1(or with the group 3/4 on 1, whatever the amount of people was). And carefully explain and ask.
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unkkz
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Norway2196 Posts
May 05 2011 22:12 GMT
#9
On May 06 2011 07:05 Talent.L wrote:
Cruel reality, happens to me all the time where I work 5x as hard as others but get somewhat of the same if not worse outcome.

You mind showing me your code? Btw why bump it to only C? If you want to argue for it at least bump it to a B to show that this is important to you.

Anyways, ask politely and provide your reasons. Wish you luck ;o


Sent you the main class code in PM, dunno how the formating will look there though. But it should give the best oversigh of the code.
unkkz
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Norway2196 Posts
May 05 2011 22:15 GMT
#10
On May 06 2011 07:02 57 Corvette wrote:
Although if the entire group was supposed to get the same mark, your two partners don't deserve the mark you would have gotten, so maybe she is punishing them and second-hand punishing you (not on purpose).


We were supposed to recieve individual grades based on the stuff we'd done.

On May 06 2011 07:05 Pengu1n wrote:
I'm guessing your teacher didn't even look at your code at all and just the finished product. Thats what pisses me off when i spend many hours on a project trying to implement techniques that are more advanced than the project requires, yet my teacher doesn't even notice because he doesn't bother to check the code.


I'm hoping for something as simple as this, it was a programing class and the finished product DID look kinda bad(graphicly), but that had nothing to do with what i did. Because if its this simple it should be easy to get a second judgement.

It's just this that bums me out, i have never actually worked hard on something and gotten a bad grade, if i slack of i get a D and i totally buy that. But when i actually work i expect to recieve better, especially since i feel the code is more advanced then the class teaches.
Dittert
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States97 Posts
May 05 2011 22:16 GMT
#11
I agree with everyone else who says you should just go talk to the professor. It's possible they didn't even look at your work individually.

Also 2 other things to keep in mind:
1) Does the grade really matter (or matter to you)? At most schools in America, anything better than an F is good enough. Changing your grade is not going to change your ability to program in Flash.
2) You could think about this as a negotiation. If you really want a C, ask for an A. Giving you a C will make the teacher think he/she is meeting you halfway.
roronoe
Profile Joined May 2009
Canada1527 Posts
May 05 2011 22:21 GMT
#12
Your university/college should have a place or process to deal with unfair grading. All post secondary education facilities probably have something along those lines. Try giving that a try.
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unkkz
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Norway2196 Posts
May 05 2011 22:24 GMT
#13
On May 06 2011 07:16 JDittert wrote:
I agree with everyone else who says you should just go talk to the professor. It's possible they didn't even look at your work individually.

Also 2 other things to keep in mind:
1) Does the grade really matter (or matter to you)? At most schools in America, anything better than an F is good enough. Changing your grade is not going to change your ability to program in Flash.
2) You could think about this as a negotiation. If you really want a C, ask for an A. Giving you a C will make the teacher think he/she is meeting you halfway.


Yeah i am talking to the proffessor, no doubt about it. He's normally a cool guy aswell which is why im kinda confused, but he wasnt the only one grading assignments though. And yes it will change a little bit, im not looking to work with anything flash related but companies here(i live in Norway actually) usually ask for your average grade in their online apply forms, and if its too low they won't even look at your application. This D kinda drags me down or has the ability to drag me down. Also when i put in the effort i expect to be atleast somewhat properly rewarded, because had i half-assed this i'd be like happy with a D.

Like my group mates, they kinda half assed it and i got the impression they were pretty happy about their D's. To put it into perspective, they said right before i checked my grades "You probably got a B then or something" and one of them even sent me a thank you sms after we had delivered it for working so hard on it and making it so functional.
unkkz
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Norway2196 Posts
May 05 2011 22:26 GMT
#14
Also something i want to add, the course avg was a B in grades. 6 out of 48 recieved a D, nobody recieved lower. So me and my buddies are 3 of the 6 lowest grades, and i certainly dont feel like i belong that far down with the work i put in and how my code looks...
Talent.L
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
119 Posts
May 05 2011 22:27 GMT
#15
it's a well written code for a beginners course...i would say definitely a B- from my experiences, i don't understand how you manage to get a D though...O_O did you ask why such a low grade is given?
unkkz
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Norway2196 Posts
May 05 2011 22:30 GMT
#16
On May 06 2011 07:27 Talent.L wrote:
it's a well written code for a beginners course...i would say definitely a B- from my experiences, i don't understand how you manage to get a D though...O_O did you ask why such a low grade is given?


Got the grade today, going to see my proffessor first thing tomorrow. I myself am just hoping there has been some misstake or some missunderstanding that they misstook me for my group buddies or something.

And yeah the class went through all basic things like some easy OO programing and such but not many utilized it, and it only required people to have very basic programing knowledge, able to create functions and if sentences pretty much.

And i dont understand the D either, i was dumbstruck or whatever the word for it is when i saw my grade.
Marradron
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Netherlands1586 Posts
May 05 2011 22:33 GMT
#17
On May 06 2011 07:30 unkkz wrote:
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On May 06 2011 07:27 Talent.L wrote:
it's a well written code for a beginners course...i would say definitely a B- from my experiences, i don't understand how you manage to get a D though...O_O did you ask why such a low grade is given?


Got the grade today, going to see my proffessor first thing tomorrow. I myself am just hoping there has been some misstake or some missunderstanding that they misstook me for my group buddies or something.

And yeah the class went through all basic things like some easy OO programing and such but not many utilized it, and it only required people to have very basic programing knowledge, able to create functions and if sentences pretty much.

And i dont understand the D either, i was dumbstruck or whatever the word for it is when i saw my grade.


Okay this might not be true at all. But you say the game could have been better. Did the people who just wrote it in one big thing actually have the same functionality and gameplay as you. If so you should have been able to achieve more with your 'superior' programming.

In the end it usualy comes down to this. Does it run ? Nobody cares how it's written as long as there are no problems. You dont look at sc2 sourcecode and look if its pretty ? (not that you can since you dont get it).
eluv
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1251 Posts
May 05 2011 22:36 GMT
#18
In my experience, as long as you're reasonable, professors are usually willing to give you the grade you deserve, which in this case seems higher than a D. Just don't get angry with him, be understanding that he has a lot of these to grade and it's not a simple thing to do. If you're nice, I'd imagine you'll get what you want.
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Talent.L
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
119 Posts
May 05 2011 22:37 GMT
#19
On May 06 2011 07:33 Marradron wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2011 07:30 unkkz wrote:
On May 06 2011 07:27 Talent.L wrote:
it's a well written code for a beginners course...i would say definitely a B- from my experiences, i don't understand how you manage to get a D though...O_O did you ask why such a low grade is given?


Got the grade today, going to see my proffessor first thing tomorrow. I myself am just hoping there has been some misstake or some missunderstanding that they misstook me for my group buddies or something.

And yeah the class went through all basic things like some easy OO programing and such but not many utilized it, and it only required people to have very basic programing knowledge, able to create functions and if sentences pretty much.

And i dont understand the D either, i was dumbstruck or whatever the word for it is when i saw my grade.


Okay this might not be true at all. But you say the game could have been better. Did the people who just wrote it in one big thing actually have the same functionality and gameplay as you. If so you should have been able to achieve more with your 'superior' programming.

In the end it usualy comes down to this. Does it run ? Nobody cares how it's written as long as there are no problems. You dont look at sc2 sourcecode and look if its pretty ? (not that you can since you dont get it).



yeah but the thing is, he showed his code to a Master student who said it looks good.
and im not too advanced into programming but his code definitely seems runnable and logical
unkkz
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Norway2196 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-05 22:48:15
May 05 2011 22:44 GMT
#20
On May 06 2011 07:33 Marradron wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2011 07:30 unkkz wrote:
On May 06 2011 07:27 Talent.L wrote:
it's a well written code for a beginners course...i would say definitely a B- from my experiences, i don't understand how you manage to get a D though...O_O did you ask why such a low grade is given?


Got the grade today, going to see my proffessor first thing tomorrow. I myself am just hoping there has been some misstake or some missunderstanding that they misstook me for my group buddies or something.

And yeah the class went through all basic things like some easy OO programing and such but not many utilized it, and it only required people to have very basic programing knowledge, able to create functions and if sentences pretty much.

And i dont understand the D either, i was dumbstruck or whatever the word for it is when i saw my grade.


Okay this might not be true at all. But you say the game could have been better. Did the people who just wrote it in one big thing actually have the same functionality and gameplay as you. If so you should have been able to achieve more with your 'superior' programming.

In the end it usualy comes down to this. Does it run ? Nobody cares how it's written as long as there are no problems. You dont look at sc2 sourcecode and look if its pretty ? (not that you can since you dont get it).


The game could've LOOKED better, as in visually better(Graphics and flash animations). Which has nothing to do with what i did, i did the coding, i should be judged by the coding as per the criteria of the course states(you are judged after what YOU do in the assignment, not as a whole group)

I didnt look that deep into what their functionalities and gameplay were, but even if they had the same it still wasnt A. Object oriented and B. It wouldn't matter, if they get a B or a C for their programing, and mine is just as good only object oriented(which afaik is like always a plus) i should recieve a similar grade, dont you think? And it runs yes, theres a minor bugg in it that the spawn time of enemies increase of time, this doesn't reset when you go back to main meny via a button and is something i can fix in 30 sec, its a minor bugg(I forgot to add one line of code to the reset function, aka the code that determines enemy spawn speed) and if you reload the gamepage this works fine. Vs the buggs some of the ones i checked out had(controls didnt work, spawn patterns of enemies were nigh impossible for the player etc)

Could i have added more functionality to the game per say? Yes ofcourse, you always can. But i already did so much, on my own at that, so i dont feel thats much of an arguement. You can always add more functionality to a game or program.
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32048 Posts
May 05 2011 22:45 GMT
#21
Why would you expect to get a different grade than you group members in a group project?? Furthermore, if you recognized that the art or other aspects were subpar, why the hell didn't you say something??
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unkkz
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Norway2196 Posts
May 05 2011 22:53 GMT
#22
On May 06 2011 07:45 Hawk wrote:
Why would you expect to get a different grade than you group members in a group project?? Furthermore, if you recognized that the art or other aspects were subpar, why the hell didn't you say something??


Because it was a group project, but as i have pointed out about five times now, including in the OP, the grades were to be set individualy based on what each member did. I did no graphics work, hence why should i be judged for the graphics? I did the coding and logical parts.

And i didnt mention it so much since A. Grading was individual B. I was already sorta carrying the project to some extend and i had loads of other stuff to do. I can't do/decide everything, people need to see some things for themselves.

And it doesn't look OMGWTF terrible, it could've looked better ofcourse, but flash games generally don't look visually stunning. The graphics is allright with room for improvements.
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5595 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-05 22:54:15
May 05 2011 22:53 GMT
#23
On May 06 2011 07:45 Hawk wrote:
Why would you expect to get a different grade than you group members in a group project?? Furthermore, if you recognized that the art or other aspects were subpar, why the hell didn't you say something??


The one grading it should know the workload as we wrote a report about it and filled out a form of how we divided the workload, i think it said i did 80% of the code or so.


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RedJustice
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1004 Posts
May 05 2011 22:54 GMT
#24
@Hawk-- He said the grading system was such that his grade would be solely based on the parts of the project he did... not impacted by his partners' work in any way.

Negotiating for a grade is not a big deal. As other people have said, it's your best bet, and if you've been honest about things and your prof isn't a total d-bag, you'll get a grade change.

Print out your code and staple your classes and such together so it stays organized.
Go to the prof's office hours or set up a private meeting.
Explain that you did the majority/all of the coding, as that sheet you turned in had stated.
Say you were really disappointed when you received a D, because you felt you had invested a lot of time and effort, even going beyond the requirements to write really excellent code.
Show him your code and ask if he can either re-evaluate your grade, or explain why you have the grade you have.
???
Profit.
unkkz
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Norway2196 Posts
May 05 2011 23:09 GMT
#25
On May 06 2011 07:54 RedJustice wrote:
@Hawk-- He said the grading system was such that his grade would be solely based on the parts of the project he did... not impacted by his partners' work in any way.

Negotiating for a grade is not a big deal. As other people have said, it's your best bet, and if you've been honest about things and your prof isn't a total d-bag, you'll get a grade change.

Print out your code and staple your classes and such together so it stays organized.
Go to the prof's office hours or set up a private meeting.
Explain that you did the majority/all of the coding, as that sheet you turned in had stated.
Say you were really disappointed when you received a D, because you felt you had invested a lot of time and effort, even going beyond the requirements to write really excellent code.
Show him your code and ask if he can either re-evaluate your grade, or explain why you have the grade you have.
???
Profit.


Yeah i guess it's not that big of a deal, i mean not like my grade can get that much worse. But thanks for the tips guys, will definately go see my proffesor tomorrow and in a calm and sensible manner ask why i recieved a crappy grade.
RedJustice
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1004 Posts
May 05 2011 23:16 GMT
#26
Let us know how it goes! Best of luck!
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32048 Posts
May 05 2011 23:31 GMT
#27
I read the whole thing and my mind skipped over that. So uh yeah, my bad. that's some wonky grading system though.

Still, if you knew it was subpar... why not say something??

if you go and ask you'll at least get an explanation, so do that
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unkkz
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Norway2196 Posts
May 05 2011 23:39 GMT
#28
On May 06 2011 08:31 Hawk wrote:
I read the whole thing and my mind skipped over that. So uh yeah, my bad. that's some wonky grading system though.

Still, if you knew it was subpar... why not say something??


Well, it doesn't/wouldn't affect me all that much due to the grading. And I was already doing most of the work with alot of other assignments to do so i kinda cba to run the entire project sorta, plus i tend to shy away from conflicts so couldn't really be bothered with it. But again i overexagerated a bit, its not extremely terrible looking, its ok with room for some improvements.

And i like the grading system, since nothings worse then getting a terrible group that just doesn't do any work and drags you down with them, which has happened to everyone atleast once i am sure.
darklordjac
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada2231 Posts
May 05 2011 23:52 GMT
#29
Hey can I see the code?
stalife
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada1222 Posts
May 05 2011 23:57 GMT
#30
In the overall picture, one assignment won't be worth anything to you.

However, I strongly recommend that you get partners who are dedicated to learning and not people "who are in it just to pass".


When you go see your prof to talk about the assignment/grading, I'm sure he/she will be helpful to you when you approach politely. Be confident about your assignment and just ask what you could have done better. If he/she gives you a better grade, then that's a bonus. If not, then just move on and find better partners.
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Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
May 05 2011 23:58 GMT
#31
I would get pissed off and not let it go, because that is ridiculous. If the professor isn't reasonable then take it to the dean.
unkkz
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Norway2196 Posts
May 06 2011 00:12 GMT
#32
On May 06 2011 08:52 darklordjac wrote:
Hey can I see the code?


Sent you a PM.
HentaiPrime
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada85 Posts
May 06 2011 00:13 GMT
#33
I'm a TA, and when i grade (as well as many other TAs) i try to get it out of the way as soon as possible. Profs are even more busy with so many other things that are more important, so it's possible he just overlooked some of the strengths of your assignment.

Just make it appear like you feel you should have done much better and hope for the best.
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unkkz
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Norway2196 Posts
May 06 2011 00:13 GMT
#34
On May 06 2011 08:57 stalife wrote:
In the overall picture, one assignment won't be worth anything to you.

However, I strongly recommend that you get partners who are dedicated to learning and not people "who are in it just to pass".


When you go see your prof to talk about the assignment/grading, I'm sure he/she will be helpful to you when you approach politely. Be confident about your assignment and just ask what you could have done better. If he/she gives you a better grade, then that's a bonus. If not, then just move on and find better partners.


The one assignment is 100% of the grade. So i get a D on it, my grade for the entire course is.. D! Partners theoreticly shouldn't matter due to the way grading is supposed to work.
unkkz
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Norway2196 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-06 00:18:20
May 06 2011 00:16 GMT
#35
On May 06 2011 09:13 HentaiPrime wrote:
I'm a TA, and when i grade (as well as many other TAs) i try to get it out of the way as soon as possible. Profs are even more busy with so many other things that are more important, so it's possible he just overlooked some of the strengths of your assignment.

Just make it appear like you feel you should have done much better and hope for the best.


Yes im hoping it was just overlooked somehow, but i mean the class average was a B, and normally the class average is in the C. My group are 3 of 6 people that got a D, all the other 42 students got C or better. Something that just doesn't make sense to me, maybe my code is absolutely horrible but i really dont feel that it is, i wont know for sure until tomorrow though.

On May 06 2011 08:58 travis wrote:
I would get pissed off and not let it go, because that is ridiculous. If the professor isn't reasonable then take it to the dean.


Well i agree with that and i will try and take it as far as possible, just hoping i dont have to.
Cloud
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sexico5880 Posts
May 06 2011 00:17 GMT
#36
Ask your professor and state your reasons politely about why you think you deserve a better grade, if it doesn't work the first time then suck it up and forget about it. Going further will most likely do more harm than good unless you have enough leverage (reputation, well-liked by the admins, etc.), and it's bad engineering etiquette anyway.

If you think you did a good job then screw the grade you got and keep working on your game. Add the graphics yourself, extend the functionality, etc. No one will be impressed at some half-baked program, particularly if you say "well my partners were slackers and didn't do their part".

Next time, if you care about the grade then do exactly what the teacher asks of you and don't get carried away in minor stuff, if you get stuck with shitty partners then say something or learn how to manage your time and your tasks better to do them all yourself.
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shinosai
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1577 Posts
May 06 2011 00:21 GMT
#37
That's why I hate group work. If you get a bad grade either your group members suck or they inadvertently blame you. Either way professors that assign group work should die in a fire. The very nature of the work is luck based.
Be versatile, know when to retreat, and carry a big gun.
unkkz
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Norway2196 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-06 00:33:43
May 06 2011 00:32 GMT
#38
On May 06 2011 09:17 Cloud wrote:
Ask your professor and state your reasons politely about why you think you deserve a better grade, if it doesn't work the first time then suck it up and forget about it. Going further will most likely do more harm than good unless you have enough leverage (reputation, well-liked by the admins, etc.), and it's bad engineering etiquette anyway.


Complaining about a bad grade is bad engineering etiquette? Im a media design student btw so, this is like the second programming class we have. We had a basic HTML/PHP one first semester and wont have any more.

If you think you did a good job then screw the grade you got and keep working on your game. Add the graphics yourself, extend the functionality, etc. No one will be impressed at some half-baked program, particularly if you say "well my partners were slackers and didn't do their part".


I'm not complaining about my partners, they did one part of the game i did another. What they did shouldn´t affect me in any way according to the course since grading was individual. What i am complaining about is that i feel as if i was overlooked, since i feel my work was way better then theirs and i also did alot more, hence my individual grade should be better, but it isn't.

Next time, if you care about the grade then do exactly what the teacher asks of you and don't get carried away in minor stuff, if you get stuck with shitty partners then say something or learn how to manage your time and your tasks better to do them all yourself.


The teacher asked us to make a game, i coded a game. Not much else to it. The code is (imo) solid and good. Again, im not complaining about my partners since for like the 10th time, grading was individual.

On May 06 2011 09:21 shinosai wrote:
That's why I hate group work. If you get a bad grade either your group members suck or they inadvertently blame you. Either way professors that assign group work should die in a fire. The very nature of the work is luck based.


Yes i am never a fan of group work, especially since i live a fair distance from campus and you often get screwed. But again, individual grading hurp di derp.
Cloud
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sexico5880 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-06 00:54:22
May 06 2011 00:53 GMT
#39
It's bad etiquette to keep complaining or going behind your immediate superior's back in a matter that's already settled. And maybe you're right about deserving a better grade, but I swear no teacher will ever grade you well in a group assignment that was delivered incompletely. Despite all the claims about individual gradings. It would make group work irrelevant.
BlueLaguna on West, msg for game.
unkkz
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Norway2196 Posts
May 06 2011 00:55 GMT
#40
On May 06 2011 09:53 Cloud wrote:
It's bad etiquette to keep complaining or going behind your immediate superior's back in a matter that's already settled. And maybe you're right about deserving a better grade, but I swear no teacher will ever grade you well in a group assignment that was delivered incompletely. Despite all the claims about individual gradings. It would make group work irrelevant.


It´s a complete functioning game with graphics, animations and sound. It is not incomplete in any shape or form, the only exception being a very minor bugg.
shinosai
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1577 Posts
May 06 2011 01:21 GMT
#41
On May 06 2011 09:53 Cloud wrote:
It's bad etiquette to keep complaining or going behind your immediate superior's back in a matter that's already settled. And maybe you're right about deserving a better grade, but I swear no teacher will ever grade you well in a group assignment that was delivered incompletely. Despite all the claims about individual gradings. It would make group work irrelevant.


At my university if you complain about a grade to a higher authority, they will have an independent committee review your work. And they may give you a lower grade, which discourages frivolous complaints. It's bad etiquette for sure, but sometimes the professor is wrong, in which case you have every right to complain. They're not infallible.
Be versatile, know when to retreat, and carry a big gun.
unkkz
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Norway2196 Posts
May 06 2011 01:47 GMT
#42
On May 06 2011 10:21 shinosai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2011 09:53 Cloud wrote:
It's bad etiquette to keep complaining or going behind your immediate superior's back in a matter that's already settled. And maybe you're right about deserving a better grade, but I swear no teacher will ever grade you well in a group assignment that was delivered incompletely. Despite all the claims about individual gradings. It would make group work irrelevant.


At my university if you complain about a grade to a higher authority, they will have an independent committee review your work. And they may give you a lower grade, which discourages frivolous complaints. It's bad etiquette for sure, but sometimes the professor is wrong, in which case you have every right to complain. They're not infallible.


After looking around i can say that here aswell it can swing both ways atleast if i deliver a formal complaint so to say, my grade might go up or it might go down. Once i've delivered the complaint i can't do much else, im stuck with whatever grade i get out of it.
Gogleion
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States534 Posts
May 06 2011 02:40 GMT
#43
Post your code. I can guarantee that at least five people with serious php knowledge will see your code and we can see if you are in the wrong or your professor is. Nobody here can change your grade, but we can actually help by helping you improve.
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unkkz
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Norway2196 Posts
May 06 2011 03:11 GMT
#44
On May 06 2011 11:40 Gogleion wrote:
Post your code. I can guarantee that at least five people with serious php knowledge will see your code and we can see if you are in the wrong or your professor is. Nobody here can change your grade, but we can actually help by helping you improve.


It's flash, not PHP, but here is the main class.

+ Show Spoiler +
This isn't "superadvanced" by any means, but for a sorta beginners course of flash i'd say its pretty good, at least a C, but please tell me waht u think. THis is the main class btw, other classes are enemyFire/Ice/Earth etc and weapontypes, thePlayer, MySound and one more which i cant remember(lol tired).


package // Main code/class
{

import flash.display.*;
import flash.events.*;
import flash.ui.Keyboard;
import flash.text.TextField;
import flash.media.Sound;
import flash.net.URLRequest;
import flash.events.MouseEvent;
import flash.utils.Timer;
import flash.events.TimerEvent;

public class main extends MovieClip
{
private var player:thePlayer;
private var enemyTime:int = 0;
private var enemyLimit:int = 100;
private var myHitsNo:int;
private var mybullets:Array;
private var enemys:Array;
private var weaponType:int;
private var myLives:int;
private var fireTimer:Timer; //delay between shots
private var canFire:Boolean = true;
private var mySound:MySound;
private var bulletSpeed:Number = -450;

//public var soundFX = new Sound();
public var spawnPoint1:int = 295;
public var spawnPoint2:int = 385;
public var spawnPoint3:int = 475;
public var spawnPoint4:int = 567;;
public var enemySpeed:int = 4;

public function main()
{
//load sounds
mySound = new MySound();
}

private function playGame(event:MouseEvent)
{
gotoAndStop(2);
// initialize
myLives = 5;
myHitsNo = 0;
weaponType = 1;
mybullets = new Array();
enemys = new Array();
myScoreTxt.text = "Score: " + myHitsNo;
myLivesTxt.text = "Lives: " + myLives;

fireTimer = new Timer(400, 1);
fireTimer.addEventListener(TimerEvent.TIMER, shootTimerHandler, false, 0, true);

stage.addEventListener(KeyboardEvent.KEY_DOWN, listenKeyDown);
stage.addEventListener(Event.ENTER_FRAME, addEnemy);
stage.addEventListener(Event.ENTER_FRAME, checkCollision);
player = new thePlayer(stage.stageWidth-40, spawnPoint2);// stage.stageHeight/2);
stage.focus = player;
addChild(player);

mySound.playBgSound();
}

private function cleanUp()
{
stage.removeEventListener(KeyboardEvent.KEY_DOWN, listenKeyDown);
stage.removeEventListener(Event.ENTER_FRAME, addEnemy);
stage.removeEventListener(Event.ENTER_FRAME, checkCollision);

// remove all children manually
// copy the array so we dont delete items in the array
// we`re working in
var tmpArray = new Array();
for(var i in mybullets)
{
tmpArray.push(mybullets[i]);
}
for (var j in tmpArray)
{
tmpArray[j].deleteBullet();
}

tmpArray = new Array();
for(var k in enemys)
{
tmpArray.push(enemys[k]);
}
for(var l in tmpArray)
{
tmpArray[l].deleteEnemy();
}

removeChild(player);
fireTimer = null;

mySound.stopBgSound();
}

private function gotoStartScreen(event:MouseEvent)
{
cleanUp();
gotoAndStop(1);
}

public function listenKeyDown(event:KeyboardEvent) // Controls and weapontype selector
{
if (event.keyCode == 37) //left
{
player.movethePlayerDown();
}
if (event.keyCode == 39) //right
{
player.movethePlayerUp();
}
if (event.keyCode == Keyboard.SPACE) //space
{
shootBullet();
//soundFX.attachSound("Pistol Fire.wav");
//soundFX.start();
}
if (event.keyCode == Keyboard.NUMBER_1)
{
weaponType = 1;
}
if (event.keyCode == Keyboard.NUMBER_2)
{
weaponType = 2;
}
if (event.keyCode == Keyboard.NUMBER_3)
{
weaponType = 3;
}
if (event.keyCode == Keyboard.NUMBER_4)
{
weaponType = 4;
}
}

public function shootBullet() // Self explanatory, shoots the bullet and which type of bullet
{
if (canFire)
{
if(weaponType == 1) // fire
{
mySound.playFireSound();
var b:shotFire = new shotFire(player.x,player.y, bulletSpeed);
addChild(b);
mybullets.push(b);
}
if(weaponType == 2) // water
{
mySound.playWaterSound();
var c:shotWater = new shotWater(player.x,player.y, bulletSpeed);
addChild(c);
mybullets.push(c);
}
if(weaponType == 3) // light
{
mySound.playLightSound();
var d:shotLight = new shotLight(player.x,player.y, bulletSpeed);
addChild(d);
mybullets.push(d);
}
if(weaponType == 4) // earth
{
mySound.playEarthSound();
var e:shotEarth = new shotEarth(player.x,player.y, bulletSpeed);
addChild(e);
mybullets.push(e);
}
canFire = false;
fireTimer.start();
}
}

private function shootTimerHandler(e:TimerEvent) : void
{
//timer ran, we can shoot again.
canFire = true;
}

public function removeBullet(mybullet) // Removes bullet
{
for(var i in mybullets)
{
if (mybullets[i] == mybullet)
{
mybullets.splice(i,1);
break;
}
}
}

public function removeEnemy(myEnemy) // Removes enemies
{
for(var i in enemys)
{
if (enemys[i] == myEnemy)
{
enemys.splice(i,1);
break;
}
}
}

// returns true if im out of lives; dead
public function decreaseLivesAndCheckIfDead() : Boolean // decreases lives with 1 and updates the status text
{
myLives--;
myLivesTxt.text = "Lives: " + myLives;
if (myLives < 0)
{
var score = myHitsNo; // save the score before cleanUp()
cleanUp();
gotoAndStop(3); // go to the game over screen
finalScoreTxt.text = "Your score: " + score;
return true;
}
return false;
}

public function checkCollision(event:Event) // Collision detection, but also block speed increase,
{
// copy the arrays so we dont delete items in our working arrays
var tmpArrayEnemys = new Array();
for (var k in enemys)
{
tmpArrayEnemys.push(enemys[k]);
}
var tmpArrayBullets = new Array();
for (var l in mybullets)
{
tmpArrayBullets.push(mybullets[l]);
}

for(var j in tmpArrayEnemys)
{
// check if any of the blocks hit my ship!
if (tmpArrayEnemys[j].hitTestObject(player))
{
if (decreaseLivesAndCheckIfDead())
return; // stop the collision detection if i`m dead!!

tmpArrayEnemys[j].deleteEnemy();
}

for(var i in tmpArrayBullets)
{
// check if any of the bullets on the screen hits any enemies on the screen
//if (tmpArrayBullets[i].hitTestObject(tmpArrayEnemys[j]))
if(PixelPerfectCollisionDetection.isColliding(tmpArrayBullets[i],tmpArrayEnemys[j],this,true)==true)
{
if (tmpArrayEnemys[j].hitEnemy(tmpArrayBullets[i]))
{ //count only if we actually hits the block
myHitsNo++;
myScoreTxt.text = "Score: " + myHitsNo;

if (myHitsNo % 7 == 0)
{ // increase the speed every 7th hit
enemySpeed = enemySpeed + 1;
if (enemyLimit > 30)
{
enemyLimit = enemyLimit - 10;
}
}
}

tmpArrayBullets[i].deleteBullet();
}
}
}
}

public function addEnemy(event:Event):void // How enemies are added and randomized
{
if(enemyTime < enemyLimit)
{
enemyTime ++;
}
else
{
var newEnemy;
// randomize which enemy that should spawn
var number = Math.ceil(Math.random()*4);
if (number == 1)
{
newEnemy = new enemyEarth();
}
else if (number == 2)
{
newEnemy = new enemyFire();
}
else if (number == 3)
{
newEnemy = new enemyWater();
}
else if (number == 4)
{
newEnemy = new enemyIce();
}
newEnemy.x = -1 * newEnemy.width;

// randomize the spawn point for the enemy
var spawnPoint = Math.ceil(Math.random()*4);
if (spawnPoint == 1)
{
newEnemy.y = spawnPoint1;
}
else if (spawnPoint == 2)
{
newEnemy.y = spawnPoint2;
}
else if (spawnPoint == 3)
{
newEnemy.y = spawnPoint3;
}
else if (spawnPoint == 4)
{
newEnemy.y = spawnPoint4;
}

enemys.push(newEnemy);

addChild(newEnemy);
enemyTime = 0;

}
}
}
}
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
May 06 2011 03:23 GMT
#45
I really, really hate how some classes let the teacher grade papers by subjective standards. Right now I'm taking a "complementary class" (there's a bunch of options, I picked that one expecting it to be good. It's about humor, how it works and its history since ancient Greece. I get good grades at everything except that (I'm barely passing).

She gives an exam with very little explanation of what she expects, everyone in the class get awful grades and she explains that we did it wrong - but she never told us what she wanted to we had no way to do it right. For me it's fine but theres 2 people in my class who want to go to med school and this fascist of a teacher if messing it up for them. (Or so they say, but given the selection method for med school around here, I believe them)

We can't even physically abuse her either because she's pregnant. (I kid, I kid!)
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dangots0ul
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States919 Posts
May 06 2011 08:17 GMT
#46
Last resort u can take it to judicial affairs.. if you school has it
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unkkz
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Norway2196 Posts
May 06 2011 09:13 GMT
#47
OK update.

I went to see my proffessor, and the level of idiocy is astounding to me. FIrst of all, he didnt set the grade, someone else independant did so he cant do squat about it. Second is the way it was judged. It was judged as a whole, and my contribution significantly drove the entire projects grade up, it was the best thing about it all by far he said(he even knew who i was right at the start when i entered the room and said i wanted to complain about a grade, figures) so he was on my side here, sorta. The individual part he explained, was pretty much only to drag someone down in grades if they for example hadn´t done so much work on the entire thing. And while my contribution drove the entire project up, it couldn ´t bring me up personally(due to the "system" and the way it was judged he said).

I asked then what was all this fuzz about "individual grades" and he yet again said that it was just to drag people down. He gave som examples that had i for instance done absolutely nothing, nill, nada of the other parts of the project then maybe that would´ve helped my cause but again it wouldn´t since everyone was supposed to do a lil of everything(i did like 5% of the animations). So in other words, my hard effort could only drag the project up, not my own grade. While the work of the other people could drag me down personally...

And in order to write a formal complaint, i have to get the entire group to complain. I cannot do it alone since its a group assignment(again why then state youre gonna give individual grades based on performance?) and while he told me i should just try and do that, since he felt sorry for me, he said that it would probably just be judged the exact same way yet again.

I am just... dumbfound and angry. Had i known this i would´ve pushed my group members alot or done the thing myself. Im taking this thing one step higher on the power ladder so to say and see where that takes me, probably to the same bullshit answers. Shit im angry, wasted so much time and work and even let another course suffer a bit since i figured i had a shot at a really good grade in this one.
EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
May 06 2011 09:37 GMT
#48
I'm assuming the tabbing looks better in not copy-pasted into forum form, but through a quick 20 second look, the main reason I would take any points off would be the lack of pre-/post-conditions and invariants commented before every method, but that is pretty minor. Dunno why the shit you got a D if this is the individual part you got graded for, makes no sense.
unkkz
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Norway2196 Posts
May 06 2011 09:49 GMT
#49
On May 06 2011 18:37 EtherealDeath wrote:
I'm assuming the tabbing looks better in not copy-pasted into forum form, but through a quick 20 second look, the main reason I would take any points off would be the lack of pre-/post-conditions and invariants commented before every method, but that is pretty minor. Dunno why the shit you got a D if this is the individual part you got graded for, makes no sense.


The comments are there to just give whoever grades my code an idea of what everyting does before they read it, if they want to find an instance of code and look at it for example. Also for my groupmates to know wtf i coded. But yes, minor shit and not a D. But like i posted above individual wasnt very individual.
haduken
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia8267 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-06 11:28:31
May 06 2011 11:23 GMT
#50
Welcome to the world of university.

It's funny (or not if you are OP) how university across the world are incompetent on the same level.
That was a pretty bullshit reason given by the professor if you ask me but what can you do, he is the best help for your case when you take it further, hey who knows maybe he is bound by the same red tape that is smacking you around right now.

I hope you've learned your lesson there. It don't mean jack what you've done, in real world, the end is what people go by and hey some times specification and shit promised to you disappear and doesn't matter how hard you try, you still fall flat on your ass.

Unlike real world where you can point fingers and blame others or just let your superior or underling take the fall, you just get a shitty grade that will fuck you up when intern comes up.

Learn what I've learned, either pick your group mates and go with them for the rest of your years at school (hard to find some one who has the same drive, expectation and time scheduling as you).

Or step the fuck up and handle shit with your own hand (and destroy your health and soul in the process)

If I was OP I would take this as a hard lesson and never repeat the mistake. Everyone who's being in your shoe will tell you the same.
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unkkz
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Norway2196 Posts
May 06 2011 12:16 GMT
#51
On May 06 2011 20:23 haduken wrote:
Welcome to the world of university.

It's funny (or not if you are OP) how university across the world are incompetent on the same level.
That was a pretty bullshit reason given by the professor if you ask me but what can you do, he is the best help for your case when you take it further, hey who knows maybe he is bound by the same red tape that is smacking you around right now.

I hope you've learned your lesson there. It don't mean jack what you've done, in real world, the end is what people go by and hey some times specification and shit promised to you disappear and doesn't matter how hard you try, you still fall flat on your ass.

Unlike real world where you can point fingers and blame others or just let your superior or underling take the fall, you just get a shitty grade that will fuck you up when intern comes up.

Learn what I've learned, either pick your group mates and go with them for the rest of your years at school (hard to find some one who has the same drive, expectation and time scheduling as you).

Or step the fuck up and handle shit with your own hand (and destroy your health and soul in the process)

If I was OP I would take this as a hard lesson and never repeat the mistake. Everyone who's being in your shoe will tell you the same.


Yes, and right before this i was royaly fucked on another group assignment, this time by the members(assigned randomly) and they simply didnt give two shits about it all. So yes, this was the last group assignment i will ever do, i am not doing anything with another person again unless i am 100% confident that person wants what i want. Randomly assigned groups or not, i will insist on doing everything alone even if its a goddamn full feature hollywood movie.

I was so goddamn naive thinking i´d be ok since i actually did some work and would be graded accordingly. Fuck.

I have on sliver of hope however, i took it to the head of the department and he seemed slightly more understanding then my professor who´s hands are pretty much tied. He said he´d look into it and he´d be the one with any power to change stuff so, hes my last hope but im not exactly holding my breath.
FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
May 06 2011 13:12 GMT
#52
write the letter dude, get them to sign it, send it off. an extra 30 mins to try to redeem a terms work, just think of it as a necessary full stop on the last sentence.
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Mactator
Profile Joined March 2011
109 Posts
May 06 2011 13:49 GMT
#53
Just work hard (especially on your master's thesis when you come to that) and you will do fine. If you are as good as you are say you are then this won't affect you in any ways in the long run although I know how you feel. Keep it up. Succes is proportional to how much work you put into it. And, yeah, be careful when you pick your team mates or work alone.
shinosai
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1577 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-06 15:20:20
May 06 2011 15:14 GMT
#54
That explanation doesn't even make any sense. If bad work can only drag your individual grade down, then your group mates should either have gotten F's or you should have gotten an A or a B. Logic isn't your professors strong suit, I suppose. If the individual grading only exists to drag people down, then at the very least your group mates should have gotten a lower grade than you. Since they obviously didn't get a lower grade, they did not do individual grading, and this means they are lying about doing so to begin with. This is a problem of integrity and should be addressed.

I'd take that to the judiciary committee whether my groupmates wanted to hop on board or not.
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unkkz
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Norway2196 Posts
May 07 2011 15:04 GMT
#55
On May 07 2011 00:14 shinosai wrote:
That explanation doesn't even make any sense. If bad work can only drag your individual grade down, then your group mates should either have gotten F's or you should have gotten an A or a B. Logic isn't your professors strong suit, I suppose. If the individual grading only exists to drag people down, then at the very least your group mates should have gotten a lower grade than you. Since they obviously didn't get a lower grade, they did not do individual grading, and this means they are lying about doing so to begin with. This is a problem of integrity and should be addressed.

I'd take that to the judiciary committee whether my groupmates wanted to hop on board or not.


Yeah i dont get it either, since i dragged their grades up from an E or an F, but i couldn't drag my own grade up since the overall project kept me down, or something. Even though he understood i was pissed and kinda agreed with me all he kept saying was "lol youre fucked i cant do anything" pretty much.
Kar98
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia924 Posts
May 07 2011 15:41 GMT
#56
This is always a big problem with group assignment if you get a bad group. You do have to maintain good communication with the group member or something like this will happen. If you're doing all the code in a coding assignment then something has gone wrong there. You have to bring up these issues early with your lectuer/tutor/teacher
herve
Profile Joined January 2010
152 Posts
May 07 2011 15:51 GMT
#57
On May 08 2011 00:04 unkkz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2011 00:14 shinosai wrote:
That explanation doesn't even make any sense. If bad work can only drag your individual grade down, then your group mates should either have gotten F's or you should have gotten an A or a B. Logic isn't your professors strong suit, I suppose. If the individual grading only exists to drag people down, then at the very least your group mates should have gotten a lower grade than you. Since they obviously didn't get a lower grade, they did not do individual grading, and this means they are lying about doing so to begin with. This is a problem of integrity and should be addressed.

I'd take that to the judiciary committee whether my groupmates wanted to hop on board or not.


Yeah i dont get it either, since i dragged their grades up from an E or an F, but i couldn't drag my own grade up since the overall project kept me down, or something. Even though he understood i was pissed and kinda agreed with me all he kept saying was "lol youre fucked i cant do anything" pretty much.


The professor of the class "can't do anything"? Bullshit. Keep at it until you get the grade you deserve.
Joementum
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
787 Posts
May 07 2011 16:10 GMT
#58
Just another reason I fucking hate college and their group projects. Keep at it. Go to your dean if you have too. People that are here saying "take it as a lesson," please GTFO.
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Regression
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands69 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-07 16:41:38
May 07 2011 16:40 GMT
#59
Hey,

Sad story and perhaps unfair if your right, I'm not really into coding and stuff so can't say alot about that.

Do you have some sort of online thing where you can see the grading policy for this subject? If it says on (e)paper that you will be judged individually for your work you can easily take it one step up. Otherwise you may have to proof that the professor did actually say something like that.

Also depends if you ever see this professor again. If you never have to meet him again, just keep annoying/pushing him till you get atleast a B.

THE_DOMINATOR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States309 Posts
May 07 2011 17:20 GMT
#60
Can you post a link to the game itself? I'm curious.
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Pengu1n
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States552 Posts
May 07 2011 18:40 GMT
#61
keep fighting it. you don't deserve a D for that so don't settle for one.
sikyon
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada1045 Posts
May 07 2011 19:14 GMT
#62
I would fight it via the administration. You really have nowhere to go but up and it sounds to me like the prof just doesn't care enough to take a closer look at it. The only way you'll get him to care is if you get the administration to look at it and breathe down his neck to fix it.
Phant
Profile Joined August 2010
United States737 Posts
May 07 2011 20:20 GMT
#63
Welcome to the harsh truth of project teams.

In my entire college career i've had a single good team. So what I do is I do the entire damn project myself, all of it, every last page, graph, calculation.

I still tell my teammates to do their part, and they usually send me an email with their work a few hours before class with all the wrong answers (of course). Since most teachers take points away from teammates who do nothing, I can get revenge.

I have been able to get about 10-12 teammates F's in a class because of their poor work, making them retake it next quarter and completely screwing up their flow chart (VICTORY! i've gotten A's in all those classes btw) On the occasion where I couldn't get them a failing grade, they would end up with Cs or Ds. I've had 4 people total who actually deserved the same grade I did (3 were from that 1 group I told you was actually decent).

Typically at the end of a project you will have a presentation to give. This is where your hard work truly shines. Almost every professor I have gives individual grades for your part of the presentation (project is group grade). Rehearse well and knock it out of the ball park, and when your pathetic partners stutter and forget their words, just sit back and relax knowing you have won!

You will have to work your butt off in order to solo a team project, but believe me, it is SO WORTH IT.

unkkz
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Norway2196 Posts
May 07 2011 21:13 GMT
#64
On May 08 2011 04:14 sikyon wrote:
I would fight it via the administration. You really have nowhere to go but up and it sounds to me like the prof just doesn't care enough to take a closer look at it. The only way you'll get him to care is if you get the administration to look at it and breathe down his neck to fix it.


Yes i went to see the head of the department and i'm waiting for his answer. He understood what i meant etc but he didnt take any standpoint or anything, but he's gonna look into it.

On May 08 2011 05:20 phant wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

Welcome to the harsh truth of project teams.

In my entire college career i've had a single good team. So what I do is I do the entire damn project myself, all of it, every last page, graph, calculation.

I still tell my teammates to do their part, and they usually send me an email with their work a few hours before class with all the wrong answers (of course). Since most teachers take points away from teammates who do nothing, I can get revenge.

I have been able to get about 10-12 teammates F's in a class because of their poor work, making them retake it next quarter and completely screwing up their flow chart (VICTORY! i've gotten A's in all those classes btw) On the occasion where I couldn't get them a failing grade, they would end up with Cs or Ds. I've had 4 people total who actually deserved the same grade I did (3 were from that 1 group I told you was actually decent).

Typically at the end of a project you will have a presentation to give. This is where your hard work truly shines. Almost every professor I have gives individual grades for your part of the presentation (project is group grade). Rehearse well and knock it out of the ball park, and when your pathetic partners stutter and forget their words, just sit back and relax knowing you have won!

You will have to work your butt off in order to solo a team project, but believe me, it is SO WORTH IT.



I'm not looking to screw my partners over for this assignment or anything, i knew their work wasn't very optimal, but i figured i was safe due to the individual grading stuff so i didn't tell them to step it up or anything since i figured if they actually cared a bit they would do better.

I did however screw my partners over for an earlier group assignment this semester. They were awfull and the stuff they wrote was so bad i didnt even know what to do with myself. This class was also individiually graded(and it actually was) and i had that confirmed when i called the professor in a panic after my buddies in that project hadn't done squat with 5 days left to deadline. So i never told them about the individual grading(they thought everyone in the group got the same grade).

So i meet up with them the remaining 5 days and they rush some terrible stuff out, we write out a report of who did what and we hand it in.

So we have our presentation, they stutter and pretty much don't know much. The professor knowing i've done pretty much all of it asks how the workload was distributed etc and both of them say "fairly even you know, we worked really well together!" and i smile a bit on the inside. And after the presentation i stay behind for a bit and update my professor about everything(he already knew half of it since i called him in panic after they hadn't done squat) telling him how terrible i think the stuff they've written is and how i had to babysit them through everything telling them what to write about and stuff. After i get my grade they are up next, i just walk out and go home. Don't know what grade they got but im betting on both getting F's or one of them an E and the other an F. Damn that felt good, fucking leeches.
haduken
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia8267 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-08 04:38:04
May 08 2011 04:34 GMT
#65
The problem with group assignment is that you almost never ever get people who care the same, who have the same abilities, who have the same scheduling as you.

I was matched with some commerce/business system students for a project that I had to do and surprise surprise they don't know jack shit about coding and they enrolled this as an elective and don't care if they just get a pass.

I got them to write the documentation, easier shit right I thought considering all they ever do is write reports for half their classes.

Turned out one of them can't spell or understand grammar even though English is his native language.

Another one even suggested we copy previous year's assignment and gave me assurance that nothing will go wrong and it's not the first time they've done it. FUCKING commerce students.

Another project and I get to match with a post grad / working part time student who disappears and I'm shitting blood trying to get the project out, 2 days before due date, one of them come back with a working and seriously the best fucking code I've seen during my school year (Apparently he rushed out in 3 nights), he seriously wouldn't trust anyone else to do the work even though I sent him 20 emails every week saying please allocate work or communicate. I got good grades on this one due to his work but seriously I learned jack shit.

I care about grades so I wasn't complaining but seriously what happened to education? If the purpose of group assignment is to teach you about team work then 1 maybe 2 is enough, but when you get it in every single semester it's too much.

They let every man and his dog into uni these days, either match students according to their ability or up the level of entrance seriously.
Rillanon.au
unkkz
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Norway2196 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-09 13:08:20
May 09 2011 13:07 GMT
#66
So the head of the department got back to me today. And he pretty much said the same thing, he spoke to my proffessor who then said that the project was nothing more then a D, and that other people had recieved different grades based on performance, and mine wasn´t warranting a raise. In other words, he says i my code is a D. I´ve shown my code to master students, to people with master degrees in computer science, they all say it´s not even close to a D for what the class teaches/requires.

I am simply at a loss at what to do here, if i deliver a formal protest i have to get my group mates to protest with me(they are happy with their grades). And if i do, it will probably be judged the same retarded way again. It all just feels so goddamn hopeless and i am beyond pissed. First time i complain about a grade aswell and i get completelly stone walled, 0 will to even take a second look at it from anyone i´ve asked. Just dont know what to do.
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