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On November 03 2010 16:04 micronesia wrote:Most doctors can't help you with this issue. Most people shouldn't use medication to improve their sleep in the long run. I wrote a guide on this topic a while back that I received a lot of positive feedback on. I still get messages to this day from people telling me it greatly improved their sleep without the use of medicine, supplements, or major lifestyle changes. I strongly recommend you read this. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=95375
Hey, I was skimming through that guide and I noticed this part particularly:
Do a lot of people on tl have Delayed Phase Disorder?
Probably. Delayed Phase Disorder is the tendency to be unable to fall asleep until 3am or 4am, but then get a good 7-8 hours of sleep. The opposite can also occur where you have trouble staying awake past 8pm (elderly people for example). These problems can be treated with artificial bright-light boxes that simulate the sun and adjust your body temperature cycle to a more appropriate time. However, bright-light boxes are not required. This is especially true on bright mornings where you can go outside in order to jump-start your wakefulness system (just don't wear sunglasses).
I can definitely relate to this symptom, but I live in a dorm on ground floor, so I usually keep my blinds shut 24/7. Do you think that leaving them open at night so that sun can shine through in the morning would noticeably help my sleeping pattern?
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Smoking weed helps a lot. Doing sports helps a lot too. After both (sport after class/work + weed before sleeping) you will have a good natural sleep. Stop taking that chemical shit.
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I use the program F.lux which changes your display settings depending on the time of day. It might just be a placebo type thing but I feel like it's helped me sleep better. I feel like my eyes get less strained using it too.
The theory is that an excessively bright screen at night will trick your brain into thinking it's still daytime. Could be bullshit but i'm happy to use it.
EDIT: Also don't do weed just to get to sleep ala ^that^ guy.
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when I discover I'm still awake at 2am and have to wake up at 5, it's almost not worth trying to sleep anyway.
I'd like to point out that this isn't the correct way of thinking if you want to improve your sleep. In order to ever get a good sleep schedule you have to respect when it is time to sleep, and when it is time to wake. "Respect" is the key word there. That means pick a bedtime (yes, a bedtime) for your weeknights and weekends, and start getting ready for bed a set time in advance (developing some sort of routine, whether this includes a shower or something else you have found helpful, is very important). Good luck with everything man
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On November 03 2010 17:03 gogogadgetflow wrote:Show nested quote + when I discover I'm still awake at 2am and have to wake up at 5, it's almost not worth trying to sleep anyway. I'd like to point out that this isn't the correct way of thinking if you want to improve your sleep. In order to ever get a good sleep schedule you have to respect when it is time to sleep, and when it is time to wake. "Respect" is the key word there. That means pick a bedtime (yes, a bedtime) for your weeknights and weekends, and start getting ready for bed a set time in advance (developing some sort of routine, whether this includes a shower or something else you have found helpful, is very important). Good luck with everything man
Most important is that you don't let a mistake, or missing a time affect you... it's all about attitude. If you are worried, you don't sleep.
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On November 03 2010 16:59 endy wrote:
Smoking weed helps a lot. Doing sports helps a lot too. After both (sport after class/work + weed before sleeping) you will have a good natural sleep. Stop taking that chemical shit.
Bolded for wat.
I think you mean do different chemical shit...
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Have this same issue. Without bright sunlight during the day, I can't fall asleep at night, and then end up just being tired all day. But there isn't much I can do about that until I graduate. Fucking east coast.
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On November 03 2010 16:45 Treeplant wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2010 16:04 micronesia wrote:Most doctors can't help you with this issue. Most people shouldn't use medication to improve their sleep in the long run. I wrote a guide on this topic a while back that I received a lot of positive feedback on. I still get messages to this day from people telling me it greatly improved their sleep without the use of medicine, supplements, or major lifestyle changes. I strongly recommend you read this. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=95375 Hey, I was skimming through that guide and I noticed this part particularly: Show nested quote +
Do a lot of people on tl have Delayed Phase Disorder?
Probably. Delayed Phase Disorder is the tendency to be unable to fall asleep until 3am or 4am, but then get a good 7-8 hours of sleep. The opposite can also occur where you have trouble staying awake past 8pm (elderly people for example). These problems can be treated with artificial bright-light boxes that simulate the sun and adjust your body temperature cycle to a more appropriate time. However, bright-light boxes are not required. This is especially true on bright mornings where you can go outside in order to jump-start your wakefulness system (just don't wear sunglasses).
I can definitely relate to this symptom, but I live in a dorm on ground floor, so I usually keep my blinds shut 24/7. Do you think that leaving them open at night so that sun can shine through in the morning would noticeably help my sleeping pattern?
You can try it but definitely don't count on it. As I said earlier it's all about what works for you.
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i sleep 6-7 hours every night. i know this because i've monitored it for the past 1 1/2 years--every night, every nap.
i dont take any medication, no tricks. i just keep away from caffeine 6hrs and food at 2hrs before sleep which is typically 2130-2200. i dont do any work/study/exercise 30 minutes before, just the ritual of brushing my teeth, taking a shower at 85 degrees fahrenheit and half a cup of water. total darkness and it a absolutely dead flat silent -no fans no airconditioning.
also i sleep on a thin plastic mat over a wooden floor, no blanket or pillows.
i take naps everyday at around +07h30m after waking up
absolutely no alarms, if i have to wake up at a specific time i just force sleep 7hrs prior.
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On November 03 2010 17:12 sob3k wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2010 16:59 endy wrote:
Smoking weed helps a lot. Doing sports helps a lot too. After both (sport after class/work + weed before sleeping) you will have a good natural sleep. Stop taking that chemical shit. Bolded for wat. I think you mean do different chemical shit...
Well yeah, but I do believe that the antidepressants he tried can have a lot more unpleasant side effects than weed. I've solved my insomnia issues by doing sports and smoking some pot, and I think it's overall a better solution than taking strong antidepressants.
I'm not saying weed is a universal remedy, it's obviously not good to smoke pot, but OP asked for opinions, and that worked well for me.
If he's looking for a long term solution, he should try to understand why he's depressed and do something about it. Medicine is usually more like a temporary fix. An analogy would be : if you have a constant flu because you don't wear any clothes in winter, sure you can take aspirin to reduce the fever and fix the headache, but wearing warm clothes would be the real solution.
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i had a buddy in college who swore on jerking off just before sleep --every night at 2130-- and get 7-7 1/2 hours.
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This has absolutely nothing to do with the problems of the OP or anyone else in this thread. We are basically talking about insomnia... people who have too much work to sleep are not insomniacs.
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I ahve very similar problems on and off. Currently in a really bad state but if I'm lucky it'll be resolved this afternoon and after that climb back to normal pretty soon.
Also was on Effexor for a couple of months in the past (before TL) and boy did it suck. Or well I dont really remember much of that time and I really mean that. When I went off it was like a black hole in my memory. Feeling is really similar to when you drink too much and some parts people can fill in the blanks. Like "you went to that competition" and you kinda remember that part. The scary thing it's not last night that need some filling in it's several months.
Probably wont happend to you so good luck fixing your depression.
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On November 03 2010 17:40 Eatme wrote:
I ahve very similar problems on and off. Currently in a really bad state but if I'm lucky it'll be resolved this afternoon and after that climb back to normal pretty soon.
Also was on Effexor for a couple of months in the past (before TL) and boy did it suck. Or well I dont really remember much of that time and I really mean that. When I went off it was like a black hole in my memory. Feeling is really similar to when you drink too much and some parts people can fill in the blanks. Like "you went to that competition" and you kinda remember that part. The scary thing it's not last night that need some filling in it's several months.
Probably wont happend to you so good luck fixing your depression.
Wow, that's actually pretty crazy. Only thing that could make this more crazy is if you signed all of your posts using this format:
micronesia out
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I don't know if I have a sleeping issue or not. The Delayed Phase Disorder sound like what I have where I can't get to sleep until 3am sometimes 5am. But that may have been from staying up for things like the GSL. Half the time though I would just crash at around 4 anyways and miss the GSL.
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I appreciate the advice, everyone, but lets please drop this whole weed idea. I recognize that it may be helpful, and I'm not joining either side in the legalization debate, but I'm looking for legal options. I know I said "any advice" but I assumed this went without saying 
On November 03 2010 17:40 Eatme wrote:
I ahve very similar problems on and off. Currently in a really bad state but if I'm lucky it'll be resolved this afternoon and after that climb back to normal pretty soon.
Also was on Effexor for a couple of months in the past (before TL) and boy did it suck. Or well I dont really remember much of that time and I really mean that. When I went off it was like a black hole in my memory. Feeling is really similar to when you drink too much and some parts people can fill in the blanks. Like "you went to that competition" and you kinda remember that part. The scary thing it's not last night that need some filling in it's several months.
Probably wont happend to you so good luck fixing your depression.
The thing that I've heard time and time again about antidepressant medications is that they are fairly random. No tests are available, to my knowledge, to determine which medication works for which person. So many different kinds exist because some of them will increase or decrease certain neurotransmitters in your body, but which kind you need (and how much you need) can't be distinguished beforehand.
Just about every antidepressant seems to have the possible side effect of "can increase the risk of wanting to cause yourself harm" and/or tons of other stuff, delusions and memory loss included. It's an unfortunate risk that affects a very small amount of people, but a necessary one sometimes. In my case, it definitely is. I hope to not have to go through what you have, though.
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On November 03 2010 18:15 micronesia wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2010 17:40 Eatme wrote:
I ahve very similar problems on and off. Currently in a really bad state but if I'm lucky it'll be resolved this afternoon and after that climb back to normal pretty soon.
Also was on Effexor for a couple of months in the past (before TL) and boy did it suck. Or well I dont really remember much of that time and I really mean that. When I went off it was like a black hole in my memory. Feeling is really similar to when you drink too much and some parts people can fill in the blanks. Like "you went to that competition" and you kinda remember that part. The scary thing it's not last night that need some filling in it's several months.
Probably wont happend to you so good luck fixing your depression. Wow, that's actually pretty crazy. Only thing that could make this more crazy is if you signed all of your posts using this format:
micronesia out
sorry. not on topic. but this is pure gold.
back on topic... i find i do not sleep because I have something i need to do, but I keep putting it off. It is currently 3 am, and i have only covered half of my exam material that i take in 5 hours
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Have you tried working out before going to bed, or sometime during the day? Working out helps on irregular sleep, but also most importantly it is AS effective as medication for depression, unless you got the really serious one. Bipolar or unipolar cant remember which one is the most serious.
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Problem: Lack of sleep, irregular sleeping.
Solution: Evening jogging and a bottle of tasty beer before going to bed.
Benefits: If you won't sleep well after this, then you are officially a zombie.
Drawbacks: You will probably feel like shit after waking up at morning, meh.
Evaluation: Try it.
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