I have a few friends who are nice, decent guys but are completely inexperienced with girls. What is worse is that they buy the crap that comes from Korean drama, such as "calling twenty times a day will make girls like you", and "if you buy enough expensive stuff, your sincerity will touch her heart."
So, sometimes when we are outside, I will give them more balanced opinions like "be humorous and confident when you talk with a girl", and "don't appear too needy right off the bat."
The trouble is once I start saying such things, the girls in my gang start accusing me of ruining innocent guys and transforming them into playboys. Their viewpoint is that if more guys are good in tackling girls, the society will be filled with more and more playboys who dump girls as easily as speedlings slaughter dragoons.
To this I say:
"I'm actually doing you girls a favor. These guys are nice guys and they can't get girls now, so if they can they are more likely to treat those girls nicely compared to the current crop of playboys in the market, right? So now I'm just trying to level out the playing field for nice guys who are less experienced with girls."
The girls are not convinced by my argument though. What do you guys think?
i got my girlfriend Claire by going the friends first nice guy route. i first met her in class and she became friends with me mainly because i was good at the subject and took notes for her when she wasnt there. then we talked a lot on internet chat and i listened to all her complaints about the guys she dated, wondering when she will realize i was the one for her. even one time when her boyfriend canceled on her, i took her out to a movie and paid for everything, it was very "date" like but she didnt kiss me or anything at the end.
eventually, after months of doing this, Claire broke up with her bf and i talked to her about it. i was very hopeful that she'd finally notice me, but she dated another guy who was just as big an asshole right away. i was sad, but i didnt end our friendship -- she was too important to me. then for her birthday, she was sick and very sad. her new bf got her some shitty flowers and candy, but i made her this DVD with all her favorite songs and filmed her favorite locations around the city. i spent hours on it. she finally realized that she was with the wrong guy.
right before winter break she texted me, breathless and happy that she finally realized it. i was so happy and literally cried in the cab (i was on the way to the airport to go home) when i read the texts that she wanted to be with me. i felt on top of the world and that my months of hardship were finally rewarded. i couldnt wait until after break, so i yelled to the cabby yo homes smell you later, looked at my new girlfriend i was finally there to sit on my throne as the boyfriend of Claire.
Also, in a more serious sense, does this come with ethics? I think chunks of the PUA culture are exaggerated, but it's true that it seems to engender a very manipulative and arrogant mindset, almost needy when it comes to being the top dog.
But there's nothing really wrong with helping guys figure out how to be more confident in their approach, and I'd bet a lot that all those girls frequently chat to each other for relationship advice themselves, soooooo. Double standards ahoy!
You seem to hit the nail on the head, the girls are just being mean and don't seem to really care about the guys or are straight up lying. Don't listen to them, theres a difference between a "playboy" pickup artist and someone that can understand the basic fundamentals of attraction and apply them to his life.
On March 23 2010 22:35 noobilly wrote: "I'm actually doing you girls a favor. These guys are nice guys and they can't get girls now, so if they can they are more likely to treat those girls nicely compared to the current crop of playboys in the market, right? So now I'm just trying to level out the playing field for nice guys who are less experienced with girls."
The girls are not convinced by my argument though. What do you guys think?
You're doing the right thing. There are too many guys who don't know how to attract a girl.
Not enough charming guys out there ^^, so they never get a chance.
On March 23 2010 22:35 noobilly wrote: I have a few friends who are nice, decent guys but are completely inexperienced with girls. What is worse is that they buy the crap that comes from Korean drama, such as "calling twenty times a day will make girls like you", and "if you buy enough expensive stuff, your sincerity will touch her heart."
So, sometimes when we are outside, I will give them more balanced opinions like "be humorous and confident when you talk with a girl", and "don't appear too needy right off the bat."
The trouble is once I start saying such things, the girls in my gang start accusing me of ruining innocent guys and transforming them into playboys. Their viewpoint is that if more guys are good in tackling girls, the society will be filled with more and more playboys who dump girls as easily as speedlings slaughter dragoons.
To this I say:
"I'm actually doing you girls a favor. These guys are nice guys and they can't get girls now, so if they can they are more likely to treat those girls nicely compared to the current crop of playboys in the market, right? So now I'm just trying to level out the playing field for nice guys who are less experienced with girls."
The girls are not convinced by my argument though. What do you guys think?
OKK here I go.
Firstly, these girls do not know what they're talking about, I don't know how old they are but it's very likely that they what they are saying they completely wouldn't follow up on. Girls like this say this type of crap, then if they somehow stumble upon a nice guy boyfriend within a month they are bored to hell because the guy is no challenge. Girls go for men who are confident with who they are, are comfortable with being sexual beings and aren't passive and submissive. They'll say these things but it's already there in their feminine nature and their DNA that they need and are attracted to masculinity and dominating aggressive behaviour. They need to man to take control. But don't bother wasting your time trying to get those girls to come around to your argument.
to help your friends just fill them up with confidence, remove their fear of rejection and teach them to take is as a learning experience. Teach them that the focus isn't about getting the girl it's about being the man the girl NEEDS to get. Teach them that they should be thinking it's the girls loss if things don't work and they're the FUCKING MAN. They need to be confident, funny, casual and comfortable and with a certain cockiness. Tell them NOT to buy the girl anything, you split the bill. You don't buy them any drinks, or you say "would you like a drink", "go buy one then". If they're just picking them up tell them to close it by telling the girl to write her phone no. down, then GTFO. then tell them to call her like a week later. Though you might already know all this shit.
but yeh don't bother with those girls that are saying nice guys this nice guys that because they're fucking lying.
Thanks for the support from many of you guys, I always felt that what i was doing was right but I wanted a more neutral opinion, and I felt Tl net was quite smart.
Btw, I'm pretty touched by your story baller, I really really really seldom hear of success stories like that.
One final question? How come my blog title changes by itself? Can it evolve or something?
On March 23 2010 22:40 baller wrote: i got my girlfriend Claire by going the friends first nice guy route. i first met her in class and she became friends with me mainly because i was good at the subject and took notes for her when she wasnt there. then we talked a lot on internet chat and i listened to all her complaints about the guys she dated, wondering when she will realize i was the one for her. even one time when her boyfriend canceled on her, i took her out to a movie and paid for everything, it was very "date" like but she didnt kiss me or anything at the end.
eventually, after months of doing this, Claire broke up with her bf and i talked to her about it. i was very hopeful that she'd finally notice me, but she dated another guy who was just as big an asshole right away. i was sad, but i didnt end our friendship -- she was too important to me. then for her birthday, she was sick and very sad. her new bf got her some shitty flowers and candy, but i made her this DVD with all her favorite songs and filmed her favorite locations around the city. i spent hours on it. she finally realized that she was with the wrong guy.
right before winter break she texted me, breathless and happy that she finally realized it. i was so happy and literally cried in the cab (i was on the way to the airport to go home) when i read the texts that she wanted to be with me. i felt on top of the world and that my months of hardship were finally rewarded. i couldnt wait until after break, so i yelled to the cabby yo homes smell you later, looked at my new girlfriend i was finally there to sit on my throne as the boyfriend of Claire.
would have taken no time if you acted the way I mentioned, man and you're called "baller" too.
On March 23 2010 23:00 noobilly wrote: Thanks for the support from many of you guys, I always felt that what i was doing was right but I wanted a more neutral opinion, and I felt Tl net was quite smart.
Btw, I'm pretty touched by your story baller, I really really really seldom hear of success stories like that.
One final question? How come my blog title changes by itself? Can it evolve or something?
exactly, where's Rekrul he's usually fairly on top of this shit.
On March 23 2010 22:35 noobilly wrote: I have a few friends who are nice, decent guys but are completely inexperienced with girls. What is worse is that they buy the crap that comes from Korean drama, such as "calling twenty times a day will make girls like you", and "if you buy enough expensive stuff, your sincerity will touch her heart."
So, sometimes when we are outside, I will give them more balanced opinions like "be humorous and confident when you talk with a girl", and "don't appear too needy right off the bat."
The trouble is once I start saying such things, the girls in my gang start accusing me of ruining innocent guys and transforming them into playboys. Their viewpoint is that if more guys are good in tackling girls, the society will be filled with more and more playboys who dump girls as easily as speedlings slaughter dragoons.
To this I say:
"I'm actually doing you girls a favor. These guys are nice guys and they can't get girls now, so if they can they are more likely to treat those girls nicely compared to the current crop of playboys in the market, right? So now I'm just trying to level out the playing field for nice guys who are less experienced with girls."
The girls are not convinced by my argument though. What do you guys think?
OKK here I go.
Firstly, these girls do not know what they're talking about, I don't know how old they are but it's very likely that they what they are saying they completely wouldn't follow up on. Girls like this say this type of crap, then if they somehow stumble upon a nice guy boyfriend within a month they are bored to hell because the guy is no challenge. Girls go for men who are confident with who they are, are comfortable with being sexual beings and aren't passive and submissive. They'll say these things but it's already there in their feminine nature and their DNA that they need and are attracted to masculinity and dominating aggressive behaviour. They need to man to take control. But don't bother wasting your time trying to get those girls to come around to your argument.
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but yeh don't bother with those girls that are saying nice guys this nice guys that because they're fucking lying.
Your post is total horse shit. I won't dispute that confidence is attractive, but it's not because of DNA or "feminine nature" and the need to be subdued by man. It's a social thing, that confidence is attractive, and it's not even true for all women.
Normally, I don't point to syntax but I think it's rather telling that you constantly refer to just 'girls' and 'men.'
To the OP, you can be a nice guy and still be confident. That's what they need to learn, and it doesn't involve playing games. Flirting is one thing, but playing games doesn't help you get into a mature relationship. The advice you're giving is pretty solid, it doesn't sound like you're crossing the line of doing anything that sounds like a playboy.
On March 23 2010 22:40 baller wrote: i got my girlfriend Claire by going the friends first nice guy route. i first met her in class and she became friends with me mainly because i was good at the subject and took notes for her when she wasnt there. then we talked a lot on internet chat and i listened to all her complaints about the guys she dated, wondering when she will realize i was the one for her. even one time when her boyfriend canceled on her, i took her out to a movie and paid for everything, it was very "date" like but she didnt kiss me or anything at the end.
eventually, after months of doing this, Claire broke up with her bf and i talked to her about it. i was very hopeful that she'd finally notice me, but she dated another guy who was just as big an asshole right away. i was sad, but i didnt end our friendship -- she was too important to me. then for her birthday, she was sick and very sad. her new bf got her some shitty flowers and candy, but i made her this DVD with all her favorite songs and filmed her favorite locations around the city. i spent hours on it. she finally realized that she was with the wrong guy.
right before winter break she texted me, breathless and happy that she finally realized it. i was so happy and literally cried in the cab (i was on the way to the airport to go home) when i read the texts that she wanted to be with me. i felt on top of the world and that my months of hardship were finally rewarded. i couldnt wait until after break, so i yelled to the cabby yo homes smell you later, looked at my new girlfriend i was finally there to sit on my throne as the boyfriend of Claire.
would have taken no time if you acted the way I mentioned, man and you're called "baller" too.
nah, if i didnt go the friend route it wouldnt have happened. like being there for her when her bf was an asshole... she was on the phone with her boyfriend, shes upset, going off about something that he said because he doesnt get her humor like i do. i knew that if she could just the one who understands her and ive been here all along so she could see that she belonged with me.
Don't listen to Zuries. He's destined to be a virgin forever if he does what he preaches. People who think confidence equals acting like an asshole completely misses the point.
On March 23 2010 22:40 baller wrote: i got my girlfriend Claire by going the friends first nice guy route. i first met her in class and she became friends with me mainly because i was good at the subject and took notes for her when she wasnt there. then we talked a lot on internet chat and i listened to all her complaints about the guys she dated, wondering when she will realize i was the one for her. even one time when her boyfriend canceled on her, i took her out to a movie and paid for everything, it was very "date" like but she didnt kiss me or anything at the end.
eventually, after months of doing this, Claire broke up with her bf and i talked to her about it. i was very hopeful that she'd finally notice me, but she dated another guy who was just as big an asshole right away. i was sad, but i didnt end our friendship -- she was too important to me. then for her birthday, she was sick and very sad. her new bf got her some shitty flowers and candy, but i made her this DVD with all her favorite songs and filmed her favorite locations around the city. i spent hours on it. she finally realized that she was with the wrong guy.
right before winter break she texted me, breathless and happy that she finally realized it. i was so happy and literally cried in the cab (i was on the way to the airport to go home) when i read the texts that she wanted to be with me. i felt on top of the world and that my months of hardship were finally rewarded. i couldnt wait until after break, so i yelled to the cabby yo homes smell you later, looked at my new girlfriend i was finally there to sit on my throne as the boyfriend of Claire.
would have taken no time if you acted the way I mentioned, man and you're called "baller" too.
nah, if i didnt go the friend route it wouldnt have happened. like being there for her when her bf was an asshole... she was on the phone with her boyfriend, shes upset, going off about something that he said because he doesnt get her humor like i do. i knew that if she could just the one who understands her and ive been here all along so she could see that she belonged with me.
WHAT IF I SAY SHE'S NOT LIKE THE OTHERS? WHAT IF I SAY SHE'S NOT JUST ANOTHER ONE OF YOUR PLAYS? YOU'RE THE PRETENDER WHAT IF I SAY THAT SHE'LL NEVER SURRENDER?
On March 23 2010 22:35 noobilly wrote: I have a few friends who are nice, decent guys but are completely inexperienced with girls. What is worse is that they buy the crap that comes from Korean drama, such as "calling twenty times a day will make girls like you", and "if you buy enough expensive stuff, your sincerity will touch her heart."
So, sometimes when we are outside, I will give them more balanced opinions like "be humorous and confident when you talk with a girl", and "don't appear too needy right off the bat."
The trouble is once I start saying such things, the girls in my gang start accusing me of ruining innocent guys and transforming them into playboys. Their viewpoint is that if more guys are good in tackling girls, the society will be filled with more and more playboys who dump girls as easily as speedlings slaughter dragoons.
To this I say:
"I'm actually doing you girls a favor. These guys are nice guys and they can't get girls now, so if they can they are more likely to treat those girls nicely compared to the current crop of playboys in the market, right? So now I'm just trying to level out the playing field for nice guys who are less experienced with girls."
The girls are not convinced by my argument though. What do you guys think?
OKK here I go.
Firstly, these girls do not know what they're talking about, I don't know how old they are but it's very likely that they what they are saying they completely wouldn't follow up on. Girls like this say this type of crap, then if they somehow stumble upon a nice guy boyfriend within a month they are bored to hell because the guy is no challenge. Girls go for men who are confident with who they are, are comfortable with being sexual beings and aren't passive and submissive. They'll say these things but it's already there in their feminine nature and their DNA that they need and are attracted to masculinity and dominating aggressive behaviour. They need to man to take control. But don't bother wasting your time trying to get those girls to come around to your argument.
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but yeh don't bother with those girls that are saying nice guys this nice guys that because they're fucking lying.
Your post is total horse shit. I won't dispute that confidence is attractive, but it's not because of DNA or "feminine nature" and the need to be subdued by man. It's a social thing, that confidence is attractive, and it's not even true for all women.
Normally, I don't point to syntax but I think it's rather telling that you constantly refer to just 'girls' and 'men.'
To the OP, you can be a nice guy and still be confident. That's what they need to learn, and it doesn't involve playing games. Flirting is one thing, but playing games doesn't help you get into a mature relationship. The advice you're giving is pretty solid, it doesn't sound like you're crossing the line of doing anything that sounds like a playboy.
Actually, sir, your post is horse shit. It's a social thing that has been there since the dawn of time and always will be there, same thing as feminine nature don't you think. Even with people that are conditioned to think and say certain ways it doesn't change what they are, we're in a day and age of women empowerment where women can be whatever they want. That doesn't mean you lost your interest and natural attraction to all things feminine.
And yes to the OP you can be a nice guy and still be confident. A straight up jerk isn't what they should be aiming to be, I focus on that because They clearly have already watched enough sappy romantics movies to know how to do that crap. You need to do that stuff very few and far between, because the second you let them walk over you they lose interest and they're pretty soon gonna go.
and
"Flirting is one thing, but playing games doesn't help you get into a mature relationship" I'm not talking about playing games, i'm talking about changing yourself into a person who naturally acts this way confidently around women. Flirting and meeting lots of women is required to meet someone that you want to have a long term relationship with. The behaviour you are trying to promote is more likely going to have them settle for whatever they can get, get emotionally entangled, lose too much of their masculinity and end up boring the hell out of her, she leaves, he cries, stage 1 again.
On March 23 2010 22:35 noobilly wrote: I have a few friends who are nice, decent guys but are completely inexperienced with girls. What is worse is that they buy the crap that comes from Korean drama, such as "calling twenty times a day will make girls like you", and "if you buy enough expensive stuff, your sincerity will touch her heart."
So, sometimes when we are outside, I will give them more balanced opinions like "be humorous and confident when you talk with a girl", and "don't appear too needy right off the bat."
The trouble is once I start saying such things, the girls in my gang start accusing me of ruining innocent guys and transforming them into playboys. Their viewpoint is that if more guys are good in tackling girls, the society will be filled with more and more playboys who dump girls as easily as speedlings slaughter dragoons.
To this I say:
"I'm actually doing you girls a favor. These guys are nice guys and they can't get girls now, so if they can they are more likely to treat those girls nicely compared to the current crop of playboys in the market, right? So now I'm just trying to level out the playing field for nice guys who are less experienced with girls."
The girls are not convinced by my argument though. What do you guys think?
OKK here I go.
Firstly, these girls do not know what they're talking about, I don't know how old they are but it's very likely that they what they are saying they completely wouldn't follow up on. Girls like this say this type of crap, then if they somehow stumble upon a nice guy boyfriend within a month they are bored to hell because the guy is no challenge. Girls go for men who are confident with who they are, are comfortable with being sexual beings and aren't passive and submissive. They'll say these things but it's already there in their feminine nature and their DNA that they need and are attracted to masculinity and dominating aggressive behaviour. They need to man to take control. But don't bother wasting your time trying to get those girls to come around to your argument.
...
but yeh don't bother with those girls that are saying nice guys this nice guys that because they're fucking lying.
Your post is total horse shit. I won't dispute that confidence is attractive, but it's not because of DNA or "feminine nature" and the need to be subdued by man. It's a social thing, that confidence is attractive, and it's not even true for all women.
Normally, I don't point to syntax but I think it's rather telling that you constantly refer to just 'girls' and 'men.'
To the OP, you can be a nice guy and still be confident. That's what they need to learn, and it doesn't involve playing games. Flirting is one thing, but playing games doesn't help you get into a mature relationship. The advice you're giving is pretty solid, it doesn't sound like you're crossing the line of doing anything that sounds like a playboy.
Actually, sir, your post is horse shit. It's a social thing that has been there since the dawn of time and always will be there, same thing as feminine nature don't you think. Even with people that are conditioned to think and say certain ways it doesn't change what they are, we're in a day and age of women empowerment where women can be whatever they want. That doesn't mean you lost your interest and natural attraction to all things feminine.
On March 23 2010 23:28 KissBlade wrote: Don't listen to Zuries. He's destined to be a virgin forever if he does what he preaches. People who think confidence equals acting like an asshole completely misses the point.
Assholes don't get anywhere, being confident definitely doesn't equal being an asshole. What I said applies to people who are way too mr nice guy all the time, it usually takes something like that said to them to get them out of the brainwashing they have.
I don't know about 'essential feminine nature', but everything in life works better if you're relaxed, centered, and confident. Human interaction is no exception.
Zurles has a point. There is an essential feminine nature if you think of it, and it has all to do with biology. Women get pregnant, and during this time they can't move around well or (in the old times) look for food. Even nowadays I would think working during the last couple months of pregnancy would be challenging to say the least. Yes I know there is government support and mandatory paid pregnancy leave but those are modern things, it doesn't change the fact that the female brain is hardwired over eons of evolution to prefer a man who can protect and feed her when she is pregnant and out of action, which a certain amount of confidence and toughness would help with.
Except in the countless cultures, including early American culture, where women still worked up to and directly after pregnancy? Furthermore, you're talking about evolutionary psychology, which is also horse shit.
Please show us some of this hardwiring. You could win a Nobel prize for the discovery.
I can't quite open a girl's skill and point to the hardwiring, but I have seen surveys which show that girls tend to prefer taller guys. Sports heroes, who tend to be big and muscular, get lots of girls as well, which seems to somewhat correlate to the animal kingdom's female preference for the fittest male. Of course I am not claiming this is absolute or that all women behave this way, it's just a general tendency.
Women in previous cultures may have been able to work up to pregnancy, but if you are arguing that a women in the final stages of pregnancy can defend herself against predators/hostile people as well as usual, I will have to disagree on that.
On March 24 2010 00:08 noobilly wrote: I can't quite open a girl's skill and point to the hardwiring, but I have seen surveys which show that girls tend to prefer taller guys. Sports heroes, who tend to be big and muscular, get lots of girls as well, which seems to somewhat correlate to the animal kingdom's female preference for the fittest male. Of course I am not claiming this is absolute or that all women behave this way, it's just a general tendency.
Two thousand years ago fat chicks were considered hot. There is no biological imprint there, only societal. You're making a CharlieMurphy-esque argument here.
Women in previous cultures may have been able to work up to pregnancy, but if you are arguing that a women in the final stages of pregnancy can defend herself against predators/hostile people as well as usual, I will have to disagree on that.
Do you really think getting attacked by predators was a common cause of death 1, 2, 5, 10,000 years ago? I'm not even talking about complex civilizations like Ancient Egypt or Greece. People get together in bands and poke things with sharp sticks. Then they die of disease/starvation/etc. Not because a saber tooth tiger attacked them.
On March 23 2010 22:40 baller wrote: i got my girlfriend Claire by going the friends first nice guy route. i first met her in class and she became friends with me mainly because i was good at the subject and took notes for her when she wasnt there. then we talked a lot on internet chat and i listened to all her complaints about the guys she dated, wondering when she will realize i was the one for her. even one time when her boyfriend canceled on her, i took her out to a movie and paid for everything, it was very "date" like but she didnt kiss me or anything at the end.
eventually, after months of doing this, Claire broke up with her bf and i talked to her about it. i was very hopeful that she'd finally notice me, but she dated another guy who was just as big an asshole right away. i was sad, but i didnt end our friendship -- she was too important to me. then for her birthday, she was sick and very sad. her new bf got her some shitty flowers and candy, but i made her this DVD with all her favorite songs and filmed her favorite locations around the city. i spent hours on it. she finally realized that she was with the wrong guy.
right before winter break she texted me, breathless and happy that she finally realized it. i was so happy and literally cried in the cab (i was on the way to the airport to go home) when i read the texts that she wanted to be with me. i felt on top of the world and that my months of hardship were finally rewarded. i couldnt wait until after break, so i yelled to the cabby yo homes smell you later, looked at my new girlfriend i was finally there to sit on my throne as the boyfriend of Claire.
would have taken no time if you acted the way I mentioned, man and you're called "baller" too.
nah, if i didnt go the friend route it wouldnt have happened. like being there for her when her bf was an asshole... she was on the phone with her boyfriend, shes upset, going off about something that he said because he doesnt get her humor like i do. i knew that if she could just the one who understands her and ive been here all along so she could see that she belonged with me.
wtf.... why is this guy quoting lyrics from taylor swift.... i can't even tell if your story is true or not anymore. a situation like yours never turns out well because you usually get established forever in the friend-zone by then and its pretty much gg... WTF trolling??
It always annoy me when I see the "Being more confident" bullshit advice. Confidence is just a consequence of being good at what you are doing. Basically, girls wants good looking, wealthy and intelligent guys (being funny is a sign a intelligence). Just work on this 3 things and confidence will come naturally. Acting like a "bad guy" is also kinda stupid. Girls are attracted by the best guys, best guys can act like a douche and don't care because they can have any girl any way. But if you are just average and behave like you are the shit, you won't have any success. A fat girl wouldn't be more attractive if she wore tight clothes and spoke like hot girls do. But she would if she worked hard to loose weight.
On March 23 2010 22:40 baller wrote: i got my girlfriend Claire by going the friends first nice guy route. i first met her in class and she became friends with me mainly because i was good at the subject and took notes for her when she wasnt there. then we talked a lot on internet chat and i listened to all her complaints about the guys she dated, wondering when she will realize i was the one for her. even one time when her boyfriend canceled on her, i took her out to a movie and paid for everything, it was very "date" like but she didnt kiss me or anything at the end.
eventually, after months of doing this, Claire broke up with her bf and i talked to her about it. i was very hopeful that she'd finally notice me, but she dated another guy who was just as big an asshole right away. i was sad, but i didnt end our friendship -- she was too important to me. then for her birthday, she was sick and very sad. her new bf got her some shitty flowers and candy, but i made her this DVD with all her favorite songs and filmed her favorite locations around the city. i spent hours on it. she finally realized that she was with the wrong guy.
right before winter break she texted me, breathless and happy that she finally realized it. i was so happy and literally cried in the cab (i was on the way to the airport to go home) when i read the texts that she wanted to be with me. i felt on top of the world and that my months of hardship were finally rewarded. i couldnt wait until after break, so i yelled to the cabby yo homes smell you later, looked at my new girlfriend i was finally there to sit on my throne as the boyfriend of Claire.
would have taken no time if you acted the way I mentioned, man and you're called "baller" too.
nah, if i didnt go the friend route it wouldnt have happened. like being there for her when her bf was an asshole... she was on the phone with her boyfriend, shes upset, going off about something that he said because he doesnt get her humor like i do. i knew that if she could just the one who understands her and ive been here all along so she could see that she belonged with me.
wtf.... why is this guy quoting lyrics from taylor swift....
On March 23 2010 22:35 noobilly wrote: I have a few friends who are nice, decent guys but are completely inexperienced with girls. What is worse is that they buy the crap that comes from Korean drama, such as "calling twenty times a day will make girls like you", and "if you buy enough expensive stuff, your sincerity will touch her heart."
That's NOT being nice. That's being a damn stalker. Tell them to try treating the girls more like a friend.
On March 24 2010 00:02 Jibba wrote: Except in the countless cultures, including early American culture, where women still worked up to and directly after pregnancy? Furthermore, you're talking about evolutionary psychology, which is also horse shit.
Please show us some of this hardwiring. You could win a Nobel prize for the discovery.
lol.
So women are exactly the same as men. Just completely different.
Firstly women are far more emotionally complicated than men.
They have more of a need for drama.
on the whole women aren't as self confident about life as men are, you assume that the good looking girl is confident in herself but she knows her looks are going to fade, her value comes from how much she feels desired, men's are from how useful and needed we are.
Women are less self-reliant than men as well, women are almost exclusively the buyers of relationship and self help books.
Women are naturally nurturing, when it isn't demanded or taken for granted, especially after she's found feelings for you.
Women don't want it too easy either, they want to roller-coaster ride of emotions, they say they don't want to play games, but they initiate emotional games alll the time, they're lying.
Also men usually learn to use their physical power where women are far more likely to use their sexual attractiveness or social skills as their power.
I'm not trying to attack your character here but if you want to know more, go educated yourself, you are assuming you know things that you know nothing about.
On March 24 2010 00:08 noobilly wrote: I can't quite open a girl's skill and point to the hardwiring, but I have seen surveys which show that girls tend to prefer taller guys. Sports heroes, who tend to be big and muscular, get lots of girls as well, which seems to somewhat correlate to the animal kingdom's female preference for the fittest male. Of course I am not claiming this is absolute or that all women behave this way, it's just a general tendency.
Two thousand years ago fat chicks were considered hot. There is no biological imprint there, only societal. You're making a CharlieMurphy-esque argument here.
Women in previous cultures may have been able to work up to pregnancy, but if you are arguing that a women in the final stages of pregnancy can defend herself against predators/hostile people as well as usual, I will have to disagree on that.
Do you really think getting attacked by predators was a common cause of death 1, 2, 5, 10,000 years ago? I'm not even talking about complex civilizations like Ancient Egypt or Greece. People get together in bands and poke things with sharp sticks. Then they die of disease/starvation/etc. Not because a saber tooth tiger attacked them.
Well, the size of women preferred may have varied, but studies show that the waist-hip ratio stay the same. As for no predators, that might be the case, but how about other violent people?
On March 23 2010 22:35 noobilly wrote: I have a few friends who are nice, decent guys but are completely inexperienced with girls. What is worse is that they buy the crap that comes from Korean drama, such as "calling twenty times a day will make girls like you", and "if you buy enough expensive stuff, your sincerity will touch her heart."
That's NOT being nice. That's being a damn stalker. Tell them to try treating the girls more like a friend.
You need to assert that you aren't just an "emotional tampon" to them, or your gonna get friend zoned.
Be natural is my only advice. Seriously if you're trying to act cool and be someone who is not you, eventually the girl will find out and sooner or later the relationship will reach its end. If you're looking for a one-night stand, sure go ahead do whatever it takes to shag the shit outta her and then leave next morning. OR you could always be yourself (being a little bit more open helps), and love will find you (I have a goose bump after typing that line ... -_-).
On March 24 2010 00:18 loupouk wrote: It always annoy me when I see the "Being more confident" bullshit advice. Confidence is just a consequence of being good at what you are doing. Basically, girls wants good looking, wealthy and intelligent guys (being funny is a sign a intelligence). Just work on this 3 things and confidence will come naturally. Acting like a "bad guy" is also kinda stupid. Girls are attracted by the best guys, best guys can act like a douche and don't care because they can have any girl any way. But if you are just average and behave like you are the shit, you won't have any success. A fat girl wouldn't be more attractive if she wore tight clothes and spoke like hot girls do. But she would if she worked hard to loose weight.
Ofcourse, It doesn't matter how you say it. Though you could be confident in those things and still have little social confidence around women. You don't have to be amazingly good looking, if you are looking as good as you can, then you look good enough. It's not money that they necessarily want either, it's more that the attractive features they see in a man have usually made that man wealthy already. There's also many different types of intelligence and being funny would be classed under that, but you need to be socially intelligent as a big part.
On March 23 2010 22:40 baller wrote: i got my girlfriend Claire by going the friends first nice guy route. i first met her in class and she became friends with me mainly because i was good at the subject and took notes for her when she wasnt there. then we talked a lot on internet chat and i listened to all her complaints about the guys she dated, wondering when she will realize i was the one for her. even one time when her boyfriend canceled on her, i took her out to a movie and paid for everything, it was very "date" like but she didnt kiss me or anything at the end.
eventually, after months of doing this, Claire broke up with her bf and i talked to her about it. i was very hopeful that she'd finally notice me, but she dated another guy who was just as big an asshole right away. i was sad, but i didnt end our friendship -- she was too important to me. then for her birthday, she was sick and very sad. her new bf got her some shitty flowers and candy, but i made her this DVD with all her favorite songs and filmed her favorite locations around the city. i spent hours on it. she finally realized that she was with the wrong guy.
right before winter break she texted me, breathless and happy that she finally realized it. i was so happy and literally cried in the cab (i was on the way to the airport to go home) when i read the texts that she wanted to be with me. i felt on top of the world and that my months of hardship were finally rewarded. i couldnt wait until after break, so i yelled to the cabby yo homes smell you later, looked at my new girlfriend i was finally there to sit on my throne as the boyfriend of Claire.
On March 24 2010 00:31 nayumi wrote: Be natural is my only advice. Seriously if you're trying to act cool and be someone who is not you, eventually the girl will find out and sooner or later the relationship will reach its end. If you're looking for a one-night stand, sure go ahead do whatever it takes to shag the shit outta her and then leave next morning. OR you could always be yourself (being a little bit more open helps), and love will find you (I have a goose bump after typing that line ... -_-).
Think of it this way. Your friend is a nice guy, but he doesn't bathe often. People don't like to mix with him because of his prominent body odor, and even his family and friends mind and hang out with him less.
On March 23 2010 22:40 baller wrote: i got my girlfriend Claire by going the friends first nice guy route. i first met her in class and she became friends with me mainly because i was good at the subject and took notes for her when she wasnt there. then we talked a lot on internet chat and i listened to all her complaints about the guys she dated, wondering when she will realize i was the one for her. even one time when her boyfriend canceled on her, i took her out to a movie and paid for everything, it was very "date" like but she didnt kiss me or anything at the end.
eventually, after months of doing this, Claire broke up with her bf and i talked to her about it. i was very hopeful that she'd finally notice me, but she dated another guy who was just as big an asshole right away. i was sad, but i didnt end our friendship -- she was too important to me. then for her birthday, she was sick and very sad. her new bf got her some shitty flowers and candy, but i made her this DVD with all her favorite songs and filmed her favorite locations around the city. i spent hours on it. she finally realized that she was with the wrong guy.
right before winter break she texted me, breathless and happy that she finally realized it. i was so happy and literally cried in the cab (i was on the way to the airport to go home) when i read the texts that she wanted to be with me. i felt on top of the world and that my months of hardship were finally rewarded. i couldnt wait until after break, so i yelled to the cabby yo homes smell you later, looked at my new girlfriend i was finally there to sit on my throne as the boyfriend of Claire.
On March 24 2010 00:31 nayumi wrote: Be natural is my only advice. Seriously if you're trying to act cool and be someone who is not you, eventually the girl will find out and sooner or later the relationship will reach its end. If you're looking for a one-night stand, sure go ahead do whatever it takes to shag the shit outta her and then leave next morning. OR you could always be yourself (being a little bit more open helps), and love will find you (I have a goose bump after typing that line ... -_-).
Think of it this way. Your friend is a nice guy, but he doesn't bathe often. People don't like to mix with him because of his prominent body odor, and even his family and friends mind and hang out with him less.
There is nothing wrong with being a nice guy. Just don't be a doormat. Be confident, funny and have a goal and the girls will find you attractive, even if you're not the best looking.
On March 24 2010 00:02 Jibba wrote: Except in the countless cultures, including early American culture, where women still worked up to and directly after pregnancy? Furthermore, you're talking about evolutionary psychology, which is also horse shit.
Please show us some of this hardwiring. You could win a Nobel prize for the discovery.
lol.
So women are exactly the same as men. Just completely different.
Firstly women are far more emotionally complicated than men.
They have more of a need for drama.
on the whole women aren't as self confident about life as men are, you assume that the good looking girl is confident in herself but she knows her looks are going to fade, her value comes from how much she feels desired, men's are from how useful and needed we are.
Women are less self-reliant than men as well, women are almost exclusively the buyers of relationship and self help books.
Women are naturally nurturing, when it isn't demanded or taken for granted, especially after she's found feelings for you.
Women don't want it too easy either, they want to roller-coaster ride of emotions, they say they don't want to play games, but they initiate emotional games alll the time, they're lying.
Also men usually learn to use their physical power where women are far more likely to use their sexual attractiveness or social skills as their power.
I'm not trying to attack your character here but if you want to know more, go educated yourself, you are assuming you know things that you know nothing about.
Ugh, not even worth my time. It's like explaining calculus to someone working on "timesing."
as contribution, most girls like guys who can take charge, and who will take charge. now, most guys who are nice feel that they need to let the girl take charge, and most guys who take charge are assholes, but thats the problem, not the solution.
nice guys can be nice and still be guys.
on another note, i HATE the 'friends route'.. not because it doesn't work or is wrong in itself, but if that's your plan, thats the wost type of game to be playing.. if you're looking at your friends and asking yourself which you'd like to date, then all your friendships are just a means to an end.. i think being friends with a girl past a certain point without being honest about how you feel about her means you're just using her friendship.. she thinks you want to be there for her, but you're looking for something totally different
(disclaimer, obviously sometimes people fall for their friends, but that a different issue entirely) also, i'm not posting cause i care, more cause this thread is making me laugh.
Just be yourself. Girls are not always right that is why you dont agree and be nice all the time. Its like behind you being a dick when they act stupid, they know that you are a nice guy. You are just being a man and putting them in check when they are out of line. gotta control them.
Girls are smarter than us guys. think about it, they guard their virginity and their image, us guys couldnt care less who we are with unless someone finds out.
let me tell you a personal experience
the last time i had some girls at home (last saturday) we were drinking and all. one of the girls that texted me to pick them up went to light a ciggarette at the stove i said to her "dont get your hair burnt" and i pushed her head very lightly in a jokeing way and her eyebrow and a bit of her hair got burnt.. she was not very pissed at all she really tought it was funny as it wasnt that bad. I teased her friend a bit about it and we teased her about it. they took the tease lightly.
At the end of the night i ended up with her friend and my buddy got with the girl that got her hair burnt. they talked about it on facebook and laughed about it. She eaven texted me today and all this was on saturday.
they were entertained, thats what girls want.. then they want to have "stuff" that good guys have at first you got to be interesting and funny and all that.
the moral of the story girls like to be teased and treated "wrong" if your too nice your too boring.. I do have hard time finding a girlfriend but anytime a girl comes home with her friends to drink i put down the good guy and put the "bad" part on.
youve got to be a well rounded guy, a bit funny a bit cruel a bit nice a bit bad...
either way im not saying i understand women at all im just saying..
ps the girl i got with had a boyfriend and ive never made someone cheat.. i feel quite good inside..
i dont usual do those bad things.. but i always wanted to do it. i dont give a f about your boyfriend.
On March 23 2010 22:40 baller wrote: right before winter break she texted me, breathless and happy that she finally realized it. i was so happy and literally cried in the cab (i was on the way to the airport to go home) when i read the texts that she wanted to be with me. i felt on top of the world and that my months of hardship were finally rewarded. i couldnt wait until after break, so i yelled to the cabby yo homes smell you later, looked at my new girlfriend i was finally there to sit on my throne as the boyfriend of Claire.
On March 23 2010 22:40 baller wrote: right before winter break she texted me, breathless and happy that she finally realized it. i was so happy and literally cried in the cab (i was on the way to the airport to go home) when i read the texts that she wanted to be with me. i felt on top of the world and that my months of hardship were finally rewarded. i couldnt wait until after break, so i yelled to the cabby yo homes smell you later, looked at my new girlfriend i was finally there to sit on my throne as the boyfriend of Claire.
wtf how did this post not get more love
Posters trying to show high status by not giving it love.
On March 23 2010 22:40 baller wrote: right before winter break she texted me, breathless and happy that she finally realized it. i was so happy and literally cried in the cab (i was on the way to the airport to go home) when i read the texts that she wanted to be with me. i felt on top of the world and that my months of hardship were finally rewarded. i couldnt wait until after break, so i yelled to the cabby yo homes smell you later, looked at my new girlfriend i was finally there to sit on my throne as the boyfriend of Claire.
wtf how did this post not get more love
Posters trying to show high status by not giving it love.
On March 24 2010 00:02 Jibba wrote: Except in the countless cultures, including early American culture, where women still worked up to and directly after pregnancy? Furthermore, you're talking about evolutionary psychology, which is also horse shit.
Please show us some of this hardwiring. You could win a Nobel prize for the discovery.
lol.
So women are exactly the same as men. Just completely different.
Firstly women are far more emotionally complicated than men.
They have more of a need for drama.
on the whole women aren't as self confident about life as men are, you assume that the good looking girl is confident in herself but she knows her looks are going to fade, her value comes from how much she feels desired, men's are from how useful and needed we are.
Women are less self-reliant than men as well, women are almost exclusively the buyers of relationship and self help books.
Women are naturally nurturing, when it isn't demanded or taken for granted, especially after she's found feelings for you.
Women don't want it too easy either, they want to roller-coaster ride of emotions, they say they don't want to play games, but they initiate emotional games alll the time, they're lying.
Also men usually learn to use their physical power where women are far more likely to use their sexual attractiveness or social skills as their power.
I'm not trying to attack your character here but if you want to know more, go educated yourself, you are assuming you know things that you know nothing about.
Ugh, not even worth my time. It's like explaining calculus to someone working on "timesing."
I could say your whole argument for you, that's how well I know it. And you're wrong, chump.
Annoys me to no end how many posts I've read lately claiming that the social trends they accept are some sort of absolute genetic trait, and then backing it up with some sort of nonsense pseudoscience.
On March 24 2010 00:02 Jibba wrote: Except in the countless cultures, including early American culture, where women still worked up to and directly after pregnancy? Furthermore, you're talking about evolutionary psychology, which is also horse shit.
Please show us some of this hardwiring. You could win a Nobel prize for the discovery.
lol.
So women are exactly the same as men. Just completely different.
Firstly women are far more emotionally complicated than men.
They have more of a need for drama.
on the whole women aren't as self confident about life as men are, you assume that the good looking girl is confident in herself but she knows her looks are going to fade, her value comes from how much she feels desired, men's are from how useful and needed we are.
Women are less self-reliant than men as well, women are almost exclusively the buyers of relationship and self help books.
Women are naturally nurturing, when it isn't demanded or taken for granted, especially after she's found feelings for you.
Women don't want it too easy either, they want to roller-coaster ride of emotions, they say they don't want to play games, but they initiate emotional games alll the time, they're lying.
Also men usually learn to use their physical power where women are far more likely to use their sexual attractiveness or social skills as their power.
I'm not trying to attack your character here but if you want to know more, go educated yourself, you are assuming you know things that you know nothing about.
Ugh, not even worth my time. It's like explaining calculus to someone working on "timesing."
On March 24 2010 04:03 armed_ wrote: <3 Jibba.
Annoys me to no end how many posts I've read lately claiming that the social trends they accept are some sort of absolute genetic trait, and then backing it up with some sort of nonsense pseudoscience.
On March 24 2010 00:32 Chill wrote: Girls have literally no idea what they actually want.
All of these. Wow. This thread is one of the best I've seen in a while. Edit: Why are so many people looking at women as if they are all the same being? They're just as simple minded as us, guys, and they're all different. Quit trying to come up with some fantastic theory about how women are genetically predisposed to be one way, or how the perfect way to pick up a girl is this way or that way. They're all different, each and every one of them. Some will like getting their hair lit on fire and giggle about it, others will light your house on fire in return. + Show Spoiler +
On March 24 2010 03:04 HeadhunteR wrote: the last time i had some girls at home (last saturday) we were drinking and all. one of the girls that texted me to pick them up went to light a ciggarette at the stove i said to her "dont get your hair burnt" and i pushed her head very lightly in a jokeing way and her eyebrow and a bit of her hair got burnt..
On March 23 2010 22:40 baller wrote: i got my girlfriend Claire by going the friends first nice guy route. i first met her in class and she became friends with me mainly because i was good at the subject and took notes for her when she wasnt there. then we talked a lot on internet chat and i listened to all her complaints about the guys she dated, wondering when she will realize i was the one for her. even one time when her boyfriend canceled on her, i took her out to a movie and paid for everything, it was very "date" like but she didnt kiss me or anything at the end.
eventually, after months of doing this, Claire broke up with her bf and i talked to her about it. i was very hopeful that she'd finally notice me, but she dated another guy who was just as big an asshole right away. i was sad, but i didnt end our friendship -- she was too important to me. then for her birthday, she was sick and very sad. her new bf got her some shitty flowers and candy, but i made her this DVD with all her favorite songs and filmed her favorite locations around the city. i spent hours on it. she finally realized that she was with the wrong guy.
right before winter break she texted me, breathless and happy that she finally realized it. i was so happy and literally cried in the cab (i was on the way to the airport to go home) when i read the texts that she wanted to be with me. i felt on top of the world and that my months of hardship were finally rewarded. i couldnt wait until after break, so i yelled to the cabby yo homes smell you later, looked at my new girlfriend i was finally there to sit on my throne as the boyfriend of Claire.
would have taken no time if you acted the way I mentioned, man and you're called "baller" too.
nah, if i didnt go the friend route it wouldnt have happened. like being there for her when her bf was an asshole... she was on the phone with her boyfriend, shes upset, going off about something that he said because he doesnt get her humor like i do. i knew that if she could just the one who understands her and ive been here all along so she could see that she belonged with me.
WHAT IF I SAY SHE'S NOT LIKE THE OTHERS? WHAT IF I SAY SHE'S NOT JUST ANOTHER ONE OF YOUR PLAYS? YOU'RE THE PRETENDER WHAT IF I SAY THAT SHE'LL NEVER SURRENDER?
On March 23 2010 22:40 baller wrote: so i yelled to the cabby yo homes smell you later, looked at my new girlfriend i was finally there to sit on my throne as the boyfriend of Claire.
I few weeks ago I stumbled upon this site called Heartless Bitches. It had a section called Nice Guys? BLEAH, which give a perspective on this topic. According to this group of females, the "nice guys" do not need advice on women, rather advice on life.
A lot of advice on women focuses on manipulating women, which is definitely something negative. Teaching people to have confidence in themselves is fine. It really depends on how you do it, sometimes it's very useful, other times people feel they cannot be themselves and have to adapt a different persona. Based on what your female friends are saying, you might be giving the guys ideas of how to be someone else instead of how to make girls enjoy themselves, which is pretty much the essense of the issue.
On March 23 2010 22:40 baller wrote: i got my girlfriend Claire by going the friends first nice guy route. i first met her in class and she became friends with me mainly because i was good at the subject and took notes for her when she wasnt there. then we talked a lot on internet chat and i listened to all her complaints about the guys she dated, wondering when she will realize i was the one for her. even one time when her boyfriend canceled on her, i took her out to a movie and paid for everything, it was very "date" like but she didnt kiss me or anything at the end.
eventually, after months of doing this, Claire broke up with her bf and i talked to her about it. i was very hopeful that she'd finally notice me, but she dated another guy who was just as big an asshole right away. i was sad, but i didnt end our friendship -- she was too important to me. then for her birthday, she was sick and very sad. her new bf got her some shitty flowers and candy, but i made her this DVD with all her favorite songs and filmed her favorite locations around the city. i spent hours on it. she finally realized that she was with the wrong guy.
right before winter break she texted me, breathless and happy that she finally realized it. i was so happy and literally cried in the cab (i was on the way to the airport to go home) when i read the texts that she wanted to be with me. i felt on top of the world and that my months of hardship were finally rewarded. i couldnt wait until after break, so i yelled to the cabby yo homes smell you later, looked at my new girlfriend i was finally there to sit on my throne as the boyfriend of Claire.
Hahahahaha. holy fucking shit this post is amazing. LOL
On March 24 2010 04:29 Rekrul wrote: be real, never lie or exagerrate unless you're fucking with them, and don't give into their childish games
it's not about being 'nice guy' or an 'asshole' because real men are both depending on the situation
That's actually really good advice. I'm kinda shocked and impressed.
whats so shocking about common sense
that it isn't common anymore...
in response to the OP : every guy / girl is different and any guy is able to get any girl he wants... it's mainly a matter of chemistry too... because if you consider yourself a nice guy and you're getting involved with a heartless bitch then you're gonna end up frustrated and she's gonna be bored as hell...
PS: also, as a rule of thumb... if the post includes (I have a hard time getting women but this is what you need to do) you probably shouldn't take it TOO seriously...
On March 23 2010 22:40 baller wrote: i got my girlfriend Claire by going the friends first nice guy route. i first met her in class and she became friends with me mainly because i was good at the subject and took notes for her when she wasnt there. then we talked a lot on internet chat and i listened to all her complaints about the guys she dated, wondering when she will realize i was the one for her. even one time when her boyfriend canceled on her, i took her out to a movie and paid for everything, it was very "date" like but she didnt kiss me or anything at the end.
eventually, after months of doing this, Claire broke up with her bf and i talked to her about it. i was very hopeful that she'd finally notice me, but she dated another guy who was just as big an asshole right away. i was sad, but i didnt end our friendship -- she was too important to me. then for her birthday, she was sick and very sad. her new bf got her some shitty flowers and candy, but i made her this DVD with all her favorite songs and filmed her favorite locations around the city. i spent hours on it. she finally realized that she was with the wrong guy.
right before winter break she texted me, breathless and happy that she finally realized it. i was so happy and literally cried in the cab (i was on the way to the airport to go home) when i read the texts that she wanted to be with me. i felt on top of the world and that my months of hardship were finally rewarded. i couldnt wait until after break, so i yelled to the cabby yo homes smell you later, looked at my new girlfriend i was finally there to sit on my throne as the boyfriend of Claire.
That's a nice story and everything but how do you feel about the fact that her pussy has already been filled by several other cocks?
So Rekrul, how many relationships have you been in during your life? You seem actually quite wise when it comes to these matters (not being sarcastic).
On March 24 2010 15:46 Koiru wrote: So Rekrul, how many relationships have you been in during your life? You seem actually quite wise when it comes to these matters (not being sarcastic).
3, the longest of which being 5 months and haven't been in one for 4 years
that depends on your definition of the word 'relationship' though
So let's fast expand into "one-night stands". What's your build order for those and how does it differ from your relationship build order? Is it preferable to allow the other player to take the high-ground in the former?
On March 23 2010 22:35 noobilly wrote: I have a few friends who are nice, decent guys but are completely inexperienced with girls. What is worse is that they buy the crap that comes from Korean drama, such as "calling twenty times a day will make girls like you", and "if you buy enough expensive stuff, your sincerity will touch her heart."
So, sometimes when we are outside, I will give them more balanced opinions like "be humorous and confident when you talk with a girl", and "don't appear too needy right off the bat."
The trouble is once I start saying such things, the girls in my gang start accusing me of ruining innocent guys and transforming them into playboys. Their viewpoint is that if more guys are good in tackling girls, the society will be filled with more and more playboys who dump girls as easily as speedlings slaughter dragoons.
To this I say:
"I'm actually doing you girls a favor. These guys are nice guys and they can't get girls now, so if they can they are more likely to treat those girls nicely compared to the current crop of playboys in the market, right? So now I'm just trying to level out the playing field for nice guys who are less experienced with girls."
The girls are not convinced by my argument though. What do you guys think?
OKK here I go.
Firstly, these girls do not know what they're talking about, I don't know how old they are but it's very likely that they what they are saying they completely wouldn't follow up on. Girls like this say this type of crap, then if they somehow stumble upon a nice guy boyfriend within a month they are bored to hell because the guy is no challenge. Girls go for men who are confident with who they are, are comfortable with being sexual beings and aren't passive and submissive. They'll say these things but it's already there in their feminine nature and their DNA that they need and are attracted to masculinity and dominating aggressive behaviour. They need to man to take control. But don't bother wasting your time trying to get those girls to come around to your argument.
to help your friends just fill them up with confidence, remove their fear of rejection and teach them to take is as a learning experience. Teach them that the focus isn't about getting the girl it's about being the man the girl NEEDS to get. Teach them that they should be thinking it's the girls loss if things don't work and they're the FUCKING MAN. They need to be confident, funny, casual and comfortable and with a certain cockiness. Tell them NOT to buy the girl anything, you split the bill. You don't buy them any drinks, or you say "would you like a drink", "go buy one then". If they're just picking them up tell them to close it by telling the girl to write her phone no. down, then GTFO. then tell them to call her like a week later. Though you might already know all this shit.
but yeh don't bother with those girls that are saying nice guys this nice guys that because they're fucking lying.
Looks like someone has some knowhow on PUA tactics It's a shame most guys don't, but what can we do
I'm the OP. I'm not really sure why but my previous account got banned, with a gif of someone punching a woman (which was actually quite funny). I'm pretty sure it's because of this thread because I didn't post much anywhere else.
If this pic is meant to show that my thread was created for woman bashing, then I have to disagree. I just related a real situation and asked what did TL.net think, and I made no sweeping statements like "all girls are bitches". I tried my best to make honest, logical and coherent posts, which I believe is what TL encourages anyway.
It could be that I'm just a forum newbie with less than 20 posts under my name, so kicking me out is no loss anyway. To be frank, I agree that me being kicked out is no loss for TL. Neither do I have the power or right to dispute anything; this is a private website.
Of course, I did read the first commandment of TL which basically says that the mods have the final say, which I do not object to. What I just hope for is some slightly clearer guidelines on what we can and cannot post, without having to run the risk of being executed for seemingly innocuous posts.
So the question is, what is Tl's policy on bans? Is it: "The mods can ban you for no valid reason" or "The mods should operate according to certain guidelines on banning people."
If it is the former then I bow out. I have nothing to say. If it is the second, I would like to know why I got banned please.
On March 24 2010 16:46 nobilly wrote: I'm the OP. I'm not really sure why but my previous account got banned, with a gif of someone punching a woman (which was actually quite funny). I'm pretty sure it's because of this thread because I didn't post much anywhere else.
If this pic is meant to show that my thread was created for woman bashing, then I have to disagree. I just related a real situation and asked what did TL.net think, and I made no sweeping statements like "all girls are bitches". I tried my best to make honest, logical and coherent posts, which I believe is what TL encourages anyway.
It could be that I'm just a forum newbie with less than 20 posts under my name, so kicking me out is no loss anyway. To be frank, I agree that me being kicked out is no loss for TL. Neither do I have the power or right to dispute anything; this is a private website.
Of course, I did read the first commandment of TL which basically says that the mods have the final say, which I do not object to. What I just hope for is some slightly clearer guidelines on what we can and cannot post, without having to run the risk of being executed for seemingly innocuous posts.
So the question is, what is Tl's policy on bans? Is it: "The mods can ban you for no valid reason" or "The mods should operate according to certain guidelines on banning people."
If it is the former then I bow out. I have nothing to say. If it is the second, I would like to know why I got banned please.
according to the automated ban thread, the reason you got banned was because an angry woman walked out of a room, became irate, and was suddenly punched by a man who used a stack of magazines to shield his fist
On March 24 2010 02:25 Garnet wrote: Girls are weak and fall for almost anything. Being yourself is the key but many people just can't do it right.
what?
What I'm saying is some people just can't be themselves when they're with girls/other people.
wat is "being themselves"
u could make an argument that someones true self is when they arent around girls, but isnt how some1 acts around people whose opinions matter to them part of who they are? theres a reason ppl can act all suave and cool and the instant they have to talk to a pretty girl they fall apart -- thats the essense of "being themselves"
its like saying "im A- iccup in practice games" but when the pressure is on and the match counts for ladder points or clanwar or w/e then "i suddenly cant play my real level" well then wats ur real level? its certainly not A-, many ppl would say its the second
it only matters how cool or interesting or w/e u can be in front of the girls, not by urself in ur room. a lot of ppl dont understand this about many things in life and whine constantly about how they are unlucky or life is unfair or w/e
There is no such thing as someone's "true" self. To be frank, everyone acts differently around different people at different times. People will act different with their kids, their wives, their bosses, their friends, and to strangers. So with that in mind, there can honestly be no "true" self, because it is a variant that always depends on the situation at hand. I hate people who believe in that concept...so primal.
On March 24 2010 02:25 Garnet wrote: Girls are weak and fall for almost anything. Being yourself is the key but many people just can't do it right.
what?
What I'm saying is some people just can't be themselves when they're with girls/other people.
wat is "being themselves"
u could make an argument that someones true self is when they arent around girls, but isnt how some1 acts around people whose opinions matter to them part of who they are? theres a reason ppl can act all suave and cool and the instant they have to talk to a pretty girl they fall apart -- thats the essense of "being themselves"
its like saying "im A- iccup in practice games" but when the pressure is on and the match counts for ladder points or clanwar or w/e then "i suddenly cant play my real level" well then wats ur real level? its certainly not A-, many ppl would say its the second
it only matters how cool or interesting or w/e u can be in front of the girls, not by urself in ur room. a lot of ppl dont understand this about many things in life and whine constantly about how they are unlucky or life is unfair or w/e
On March 24 2010 16:46 nobilly wrote: I'm the OP. I'm not really sure why but my previous account got banned, with a gif of someone punching a woman (which was actually quite funny). I'm pretty sure it's because of this thread because I didn't post much anywhere else.
If this pic is meant to show that my thread was created for woman bashing, then I have to disagree. I just related a real situation and asked what did TL.net think, and I made no sweeping statements like "all girls are bitches". I tried my best to make honest, logical and coherent posts, which I believe is what TL encourages anyway.
It could be that I'm just a forum newbie with less than 20 posts under my name, so kicking me out is no loss anyway. To be frank, I agree that me being kicked out is no loss for TL. Neither do I have the power or right to dispute anything; this is a private website.
Of course, I did read the first commandment of TL which basically says that the mods have the final say, which I do not object to. What I just hope for is some slightly clearer guidelines on what we can and cannot post, without having to run the risk of being executed for seemingly innocuous posts.
So the question is, what is Tl's policy on bans? Is it: "The mods can ban you for no valid reason" or "The mods should operate according to certain guidelines on banning people."
If it is the former then I bow out. I have nothing to say. If it is the second, I would like to know why I got banned please.
according to the automated ban thread, the reason you got banned was because an angry woman walked out of a room, became irate, and was suddenly punched by a man who used a stack of magazines to shield his fist
Yes I have been trying to analyze that picture without much luck lol.
On March 24 2010 16:46 nobilly wrote: I'm the OP. I'm not really sure why but my previous account got banned, with a gif of someone punching a woman (which was actually quite funny). I'm pretty sure it's because of this thread because I didn't post much anywhere else.
If this pic is meant to show that my thread was created for woman bashing, then I have to disagree. I just related a real situation and asked what did TL.net think, and I made no sweeping statements like "all girls are bitches". I tried my best to make honest, logical and coherent posts, which I believe is what TL encourages anyway.
It could be that I'm just a forum newbie with less than 20 posts under my name, so kicking me out is no loss anyway. To be frank, I agree that me being kicked out is no loss for TL. Neither do I have the power or right to dispute anything; this is a private website.
Of course, I did read the first commandment of TL which basically says that the mods have the final say, which I do not object to. What I just hope for is some slightly clearer guidelines on what we can and cannot post, without having to run the risk of being executed for seemingly innocuous posts.
So the question is, what is Tl's policy on bans? Is it: "The mods can ban you for no valid reason" or "The mods should operate according to certain guidelines on banning people."
If it is the former then I bow out. I have nothing to say. If it is the second, I would like to know why I got banned please.
according to the automated ban thread, the reason you got banned was because an angry woman walked out of a room, became irate, and was suddenly punched by a man who used a stack of magazines to shield his fist
Yes I have been trying to analyze that picture without much luck lol.
Looks like they ban everyone who posts any automated gifs?
On March 24 2010 16:46 nobilly wrote: I'm the OP. I'm not really sure why but my previous account got banned, with a gif of someone punching a woman (which was actually quite funny). I'm pretty sure it's because of this thread because I didn't post much anywhere else.
If this pic is meant to show that my thread was created for woman bashing, then I have to disagree. I just related a real situation and asked what did TL.net think, and I made no sweeping statements like "all girls are bitches". I tried my best to make honest, logical and coherent posts, which I believe is what TL encourages anyway.
It could be that I'm just a forum newbie with less than 20 posts under my name, so kicking me out is no loss anyway. To be frank, I agree that me being kicked out is no loss for TL. Neither do I have the power or right to dispute anything; this is a private website.
Of course, I did read the first commandment of TL which basically says that the mods have the final say, which I do not object to. What I just hope for is some slightly clearer guidelines on what we can and cannot post, without having to run the risk of being executed for seemingly innocuous posts.
So the question is, what is Tl's policy on bans? Is it: "The mods can ban you for no valid reason" or "The mods should operate according to certain guidelines on banning people."
If it is the former then I bow out. I have nothing to say. If it is the second, I would like to know why I got banned please.
according to the automated ban thread, the reason you got banned was because an angry woman walked out of a room, became irate, and was suddenly punched by a man who used a stack of magazines to shield his fist
Yes I have been trying to analyze that picture without much luck lol.
Looks like they ban everyone who posts any automated gifs?
I didn't post that gif. I mean its posted as "the reason I got banned."
On March 24 2010 17:11 Setsuna. wrote: There is no such thing as someone's "true" self. To be frank, everyone acts differently around different people at different times. People will act different with their kids, their wives, their bosses, their friends, and to strangers. So with that in mind, there can honestly be no "true" self, because it is a variant that always depends on the situation at hand. I hate people who believe in that concept...so primal.
don't the japanese have concepts called honne and tatamae..?
Honne (本音?) refers to a person's true feelings and desires
Tatemae (建前?), literally "façade," is the behaviour and opinions one displays in public.
I believe there is a true self...you can say that your true self is being different around different people.
On March 24 2010 17:11 Setsuna. wrote: There is no such thing as someone's "true" self. To be frank, everyone acts differently around different people at different times. People will act different with their kids, their wives, their bosses, their friends, and to strangers. So with that in mind, there can honestly be no "true" self, because it is a variant that always depends on the situation at hand. I hate people who believe in that concept...so primal.
I think it's because you misunderstand what people mean then. The more things people try to "front", the less honest they are in their interaction with others. They don't do what they find natural, but do what they have been told they should by others. This really fucks things up, as people often don't know what they get and things become artificial or superficial socially. Removing this mask allowes people to get in depth with each other, instead of dealing with some perceived persona. Basically it's all about people letting their insecurities or needs get to them, therefore needing to "strategize" their relationship to other people more than necessary.
On March 24 2010 17:11 Setsuna. wrote: There is no such thing as someone's "true" self. To be frank, everyone acts differently around different people at different times. People will act different with their kids, their wives, their bosses, their friends, and to strangers. So with that in mind, there can honestly be no "true" self, because it is a variant that always depends on the situation at hand. I hate people who believe in that concept...so primal.
don't the japanese have concepts called honne and tatamae..?
Honne (本音?) refers to a person's true feelings and desires
Tatemae (建前?), literally "façade," is the behaviour and opinions one displays in public.
I believe there is a true self...you can say that your true self is being different around different people.
the japanese also have concepts called bukkake and futanari?
which i believe are equally applicable to girl help threads
Bukkake (浓精沐浴?) refers to a sexual practice where a woman is ejaculated on by several men
Futanari (雌雄同体?), literally, a hentai character that possesses both a vagina and a penis
On March 24 2010 17:11 Setsuna. wrote: There is no such thing as someone's "true" self. To be frank, everyone acts differently around different people at different times. People will act different with their kids, their wives, their bosses, their friends, and to strangers. So with that in mind, there can honestly be no "true" self, because it is a variant that always depends on the situation at hand. I hate people who believe in that concept...so primal.
don't the japanese have concepts called honne and tatamae..?
Honne (本音?) refers to a person's true feelings and desires
Tatemae (建前?), literally "façade," is the behaviour and opinions one displays in public.
I believe there is a true self...you can say that your true self is being different around different people.
How did this turn into a japanese discussion thread? Secondly a general statement like that does not apply to all Japanese people....it's like saying every asian eats with chop sticks, which is for the most part true, but does not absolutely apply 100%.
On March 23 2010 22:40 baller wrote: i got my girlfriend Claire by going the friends first nice guy route. i first met her in class and she became friends with me mainly because i was good at the subject and took notes for her when she wasnt there. then we talked a lot on internet chat and i listened to all her complaints about the guys she dated, wondering when she will realize i was the one for her. even one time when her boyfriend canceled on her, i took her out to a movie and paid for everything, it was very "date" like but she didnt kiss me or anything at the end.
eventually, after months of doing this, Claire broke up with her bf and i talked to her about it. i was very hopeful that she'd finally notice me, but she dated another guy who was just as big an asshole right away. i was sad, but i didnt end our friendship -- she was too important to me. then for her birthday, she was sick and very sad. her new bf got her some shitty flowers and candy, but i made her this DVD with all her favorite songs and filmed her favorite locations around the city. i spent hours on it. she finally realized that she was with the wrong guy.
right before winter break she texted me, breathless and happy that she finally realized it. i was so happy and literally cried in the cab (i was on the way to the airport to go home) when i read the texts that she wanted to be with me. i felt on top of the world and that my months of hardship were finally rewarded. i couldnt wait until after break, so i yelled to the cabby yo homes smell you later, looked at my new girlfriend i was finally there to sit on my throne as the boyfriend of Claire.
On March 23 2010 22:40 baller wrote: i got my girlfriend Claire by going the friends first nice guy route. i first met her in class and she became friends with me mainly because i was good at the subject and took notes for her when she wasnt there. then we talked a lot on internet chat and i listened to all her complaints about the guys she dated, wondering when she will realize i was the one for her. even one time when her boyfriend canceled on her, i took her out to a movie and paid for everything, it was very "date" like but she didnt kiss me or anything at the end.
eventually, after months of doing this, Claire broke up with her bf and i talked to her about it. i was very hopeful that she'd finally notice me, but she dated another guy who was just as big an asshole right away. i was sad, but i didnt end our friendship -- she was too important to me. then for her birthday, she was sick and very sad. her new bf got her some shitty flowers and candy, but i made her this DVD with all her favorite songs and filmed her favorite locations around the city. i spent hours on it. she finally realized that she was with the wrong guy.
right before winter break she texted me, breathless and happy that she finally realized it. i was so happy and literally cried in the cab (i was on the way to the airport to go home) when i read the texts that she wanted to be with me. i felt on top of the world and that my months of hardship were finally rewarded. i couldnt wait until after break, so i yelled to the cabby yo homes smell you later, looked at my new girlfriend i was finally there to sit on my throne as the boyfriend of Claire.
On March 23 2010 22:40 baller wrote: i got my girlfriend Claire by going the friends first nice guy route. i first met her in class and she became friends with me mainly because i was good at the subject and took notes for her when she wasnt there. then we talked a lot on internet chat and i listened to all her complaints about the guys she dated, wondering when she will realize i was the one for her. even one time when her boyfriend canceled on her, i took her out to a movie and paid for everything, it was very "date" like but she didnt kiss me or anything at the end.
eventually, after months of doing this, Claire broke up with her bf and i talked to her about it. i was very hopeful that she'd finally notice me, but she dated another guy who was just as big an asshole right away. i was sad, but i didnt end our friendship -- she was too important to me. then for her birthday, she was sick and very sad. her new bf got her some shitty flowers and candy, but i made her this DVD with all her favorite songs and filmed her favorite locations around the city. i spent hours on it. she finally realized that she was with the wrong guy.
right before winter break she texted me, breathless and happy that she finally realized it. i was so happy and literally cried in the cab (i was on the way to the airport to go home) when i read the texts that she wanted to be with me. i felt on top of the world and that my months of hardship were finally rewarded. i couldnt wait until after break, so i yelled to the cabby yo homes smell you later, looked at my new girlfriend i was finally there to sit on my throne as the boyfriend of Claire.
Okay there Taylor Swift.
She wears short skirts, I wear t-shirts. She wears high heels, I wear sneakers.
Seriously though, I didn't read the whole thread, but from my experience, all most girls ultimately want is a nice guy. In general, just be yourself, dress tidily, be well mannered and be fairly confident without being arrogant (a difficult balance for some). Basically be a gentleman is what I'm saying.
You'll hear a lot of crap advice thrown around, and a lot of complaining that girls never go for the "nice guy". Trust me, for most guys, the girl that you want is a girl who wants a "nice guy". A lot of other girls just end up sleeping with many many guys and never really settle down properly. And even when they do, divorce rates are very high in this group.
But yeah, if you want to just mess around with a girl and your goal is NOT to develop a decent and loving relationship, ignore everything I just wrote. Instead, listen to more Taylor Swift lol. She's cheer captain and I'm on the bleachers!
The whole "nice guy" or "playboy arsehole" thing is just so.. blind. These guys always complaining, girls dont know what they want!!, girls only want to be treated like dirt! nice is too boring for them, etc. Girls do know what they want, we just dont all want the same thing, we arnt all the same person afterall. Being attractive isnt just about being a nice person, and a nice person doesnt do nice things just for selfserving purposes (eg. I did 'x' for you, therefore you owe me VIP access to your pants :O! and if you dont give it then your a heartless bitch!!!!!!!). Nice people dont feel entitled to someone, just because they made friends, or because they bought them something, or they helped them with homework.
To the op, you have decided your friends are the best guys for women because you say they are nice, so by training your friends how to be what you decide girls find attractive you are being super gosu awsome, giving not only your friends an amazing service but also women everywhere, since they are too silly to figure out who they should really find attractive and want to date. Its really rather arrogant and super stupid.
There's a difference between being a nice guy and being a fucking pussy.
Who wants to waste their time calling a girl multiple times per day? Its fucking desperate. Girls subconsciously pick up on this. Even if they arew dumb enough to think it means the guy is 'nice'.
And just because your calling and sending flowers doesn't make you nice. In fact, doing that stuff all the time might just be a cover for the fact that you're an insecure ass. In most cases, claiming your a 'nice' guys is just an excuse for being a weener, because you have nothing else you can impress a girl with.
On March 28 2010 10:12 Wretched wrote: There's a difference between being a nice guy and being a fucking pussy.
Who wants to waste their time calling a girl multiple times per day? Its fucking desperate. Girls subconsciously pick up on this. Even if they arew dumb enough to think it means the guy is 'nice'.
This a thousand times. Of course girls want you to be nice to them. But when you give off the impression that you're dependent on them, it's pathetic.
On March 23 2010 22:40 baller wrote: i got my girlfriend Claire by going the friends first nice guy route. i first met her in class and she became friends with me mainly because i was good at the subject and took notes for her when she wasnt there. then we talked a lot on internet chat and i listened to all her complaints about the guys she dated, wondering when she will realize i was the one for her. even one time when her boyfriend canceled on her, i took her out to a movie and paid for everything, it was very "date" like but she didnt kiss me or anything at the end.
eventually, after months of doing this, Claire broke up with her bf and i talked to her about it. i was very hopeful that she'd finally notice me, but she dated another guy who was just as big an asshole right away. i was sad, but i didnt end our friendship -- she was too important to me. then for her birthday, she was sick and very sad. her new bf got her some shitty flowers and candy, but i made her this DVD with all her favorite songs and filmed her favorite locations around the city. i spent hours on it. she finally realized that she was with the wrong guy.
right before winter break she texted me, breathless and happy that she finally realized it. i was so happy and literally cried in the cab (i was on the way to the airport to go home) when i read the texts that she wanted to be with me. i felt on top of the world and that my months of hardship were finally rewarded. i couldnt wait until after break, so i yelled to the cabby yo homes smell you later, looked at my new girlfriend i was finally there to sit on my throne as the boyfriend of Claire.
sit on your throne my ass...
you cried?
you are the biggest pussy ever.
Biologically, girls need to be with someone strong who can ensure the survival of their offspring. Confidence = strong Doing what is best for yourself = strong
The 'assholes' she dated were probably just not that interested in her, which is why they acted like assholes from her point of view. Everything is relative.
On March 23 2010 22:40 baller wrote: i got my girlfriend Claire by going the friends first nice guy route. i first met her in class and she became friends with me mainly because i was good at the subject and took notes for her when she wasnt there. then we talked a lot on internet chat and i listened to all her complaints about the guys she dated, wondering when she will realize i was the one for her. even one time when her boyfriend canceled on her, i took her out to a movie and paid for everything, it was very "date" like but she didnt kiss me or anything at the end.
eventually, after months of doing this, Claire broke up with her bf and i talked to her about it. i was very hopeful that she'd finally notice me, but she dated another guy who was just as big an asshole right away. i was sad, but i didnt end our friendship -- she was too important to me. then for her birthday, she was sick and very sad. her new bf got her some shitty flowers and candy, but i made her this DVD with all her favorite songs and filmed her favorite locations around the city. i spent hours on it. she finally realized that she was with the wrong guy.
right before winter break she texted me, breathless and happy that she finally realized it. i was so happy and literally cried in the cab (i was on the way to the airport to go home) when i read the texts that she wanted to be with me. i felt on top of the world and that my months of hardship were finally rewarded. i couldnt wait until after break, so i yelled to the cabby yo homes smell you later, looked at my new girlfriend i was finally there to sit on my throne as the boyfriend of Claire.
sit on your throne my ass...
you cried?
you are the biggest pussy ever.
lol...on one hand he got the girl...on the other he cried.
On March 23 2010 22:40 baller wrote: i got my girlfriend Claire by going the friends first nice guy route. i first met her in class and she became friends with me mainly because i was good at the subject and took notes for her when she wasnt there. then we talked a lot on internet chat and i listened to all her complaints about the guys she dated, wondering when she will realize i was the one for her. even one time when her boyfriend canceled on her, i took her out to a movie and paid for everything, it was very "date" like but she didnt kiss me or anything at the end.
eventually, after months of doing this, Claire broke up with her bf and i talked to her about it. i was very hopeful that she'd finally notice me, but she dated another guy who was just as big an asshole right away. i was sad, but i didnt end our friendship -- she was too important to me. then for her birthday, she was sick and very sad. her new bf got her some shitty flowers and candy, but i made her this DVD with all her favorite songs and filmed her favorite locations around the city. i spent hours on it. she finally realized that she was with the wrong guy.
right before winter break she texted me, breathless and happy that she finally realized it. i was so happy and literally cried in the cab (i was on the way to the airport to go home) when i read the texts that she wanted to be with me. i felt on top of the world and that my months of hardship were finally rewarded. i couldnt wait until after break, so i yelled to the cabby yo homes smell you later, looked at my new girlfriend i was finally there to sit on my throne as the boyfriend of Claire.
sit on your throne my ass...
you cried?
you are the biggest pussy ever.
Biologically, girls need to be with someone strong who can ensure the survival of their offspring. Confidence = strong Doing what is best for yourself = strong
The 'assholes' she dated were probably just not that interested in her, which is why they acted like assholes from her point of view. Everything is relative.
On March 23 2010 22:40 baller wrote: i got my girlfriend Claire by going the friends first nice guy route. i first met her in class and she became friends with me mainly because i was good at the subject and took notes for her when she wasnt there. then we talked a lot on internet chat and i listened to all her complaints about the guys she dated, wondering when she will realize i was the one for her. even one time when her boyfriend canceled on her, i took her out to a movie and paid for everything, it was very "date" like but she didnt kiss me or anything at the end.
eventually, after months of doing this, Claire broke up with her bf and i talked to her about it. i was very hopeful that she'd finally notice me, but she dated another guy who was just as big an asshole right away. i was sad, but i didnt end our friendship -- she was too important to me. then for her birthday, she was sick and very sad. her new bf got her some shitty flowers and candy, but i made her this DVD with all her favorite songs and filmed her favorite locations around the city. i spent hours on it. she finally realized that she was with the wrong guy.
right before winter break she texted me, breathless and happy that she finally realized it. i was so happy and literally cried in the cab (i was on the way to the airport to go home) when i read the texts that she wanted to be with me. i felt on top of the world and that my months of hardship were finally rewarded. i couldnt wait until after break, so i yelled to the cabby yo homes smell you later, looked at my new girlfriend i was finally there to sit on my throne as the boyfriend of Claire.
sit on your throne my ass...
you cried?
you are the biggest pussy ever.
Biologically, girls need to be with someone strong who can ensure the survival of their offspring. Confidence = strong Doing what is best for yourself = strong
The 'assholes' she dated were probably just not that interested in her, which is why they acted like assholes from her point of view. Everything is relative.
I think the majority of us on this thread are generally "nice guys" in real life. I personally think this is a thread to make all of us nerds feel better, but that's just my opinion.
There's a reason why a lot of 'confident' people don't discuss their girl issues on the internet, it's 'cause they don't need to. Just be confident.
AHAHA i'm girl enemy #1 for some reason... probably because my group of friends troll on them and i get blamed for it while i didn't do anything... rofl so.. i need help =P
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