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RaiZ
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Stopped to read teamliquid for a while (shame on me) for liquidpoker but wanted to share it with you ~ Raiz | ||
Empyrean
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...unless you just accept it as paying for the experience. | ||
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jimminy_kriket
Canada5509 Posts
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ForTheSwarm
United States556 Posts
On January 13 2010 09:52 jimminy_kriket wrote: was that your 7000th post? Ha ha, sucks | ||
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Navi
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Slithe
United States985 Posts
On January 13 2010 09:50 Empyrean wrote: Gambling is one of the stupidest things people can do :/ ...unless you just accept it as paying for the experience. Are you including poker in the category of gambling? | ||
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Empyrean
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And yeah, just realized I used my 7000th post. Sigh. | ||
Heyoka
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Lexpar
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Avidkeystamper
United States8552 Posts
On January 13 2010 10:14 Empyrean wrote: No, I actually don't consider poker gambling since you're playing against other players instead of the house. Video poker on the other hand.... And yeah, just realized I used my 7000th post. Sigh. Yay, there's someone else that used his 7000th post for something insignificant. | ||
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Carthac
United States393 Posts
On January 13 2010 10:22 heyoka wrote: Not considering poker gambling is a pretty good sign you don't know what gambling is! Did you misspeak or are you trying to say poker is gambling? If you are, you are completely mistaken sir | ||
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Jonoman92
United States9104 Posts
On January 13 2010 09:50 Empyrean wrote: Gambling is one of the stupidest things people can do :/ ...unless you just accept it as paying for the experience. Getting drunk isn't an intelligent thing to do either. People do things to have fun and enjoy themselves! Gambling isn't so bad as long as it's done within a person's budget. | ||
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Sad[Panda]
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huameng
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HeavOnEarth
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Divinek
Canada4045 Posts
On January 13 2010 10:25 Carthac wrote: Did you misspeak or are you trying to say poker is gambling? If you are, you are completely mistaken sir By very definition of the world gamble it certainly is. But I suppose you could call it intelligent gambling, if that's not oxymoronic. | ||
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Chef
10810 Posts
On January 13 2010 11:28 Divinek wrote: By very definition of the world gamble it certainly is. But I suppose you could call it intelligent gambling, if that's not oxymoronic. Gambling specifically means betting money on games of chance. "Games of chance" is taken to mean games where the player does not effect the outcome of the game. Otherwise you could call basically anything that includes money gambling because there is always an element of risk in life. In poker people can and do consistently win to the point they can even live off of the game. That is not gambling by the definition I've presented, which I think most people agree with. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28678 Posts
it's also a game of skill.. but the fact that you have to play 50000+ hands to get any real indication of skill level should make it pretty fucking obvious that luck plays a huge factor and that it is gambling. it's just "not" gambling when you practice super strong bankroll management and play millions of hands.. | ||
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seppolevne
Canada1681 Posts
On January 13 2010 12:15 Chef wrote: Gambling specifically means betting money on games of chance. "Games of chance" is taken to mean games where the player does not effect the outcome of the game. Otherwise you could call basically anything that includes money gambling because there is always an element of risk in life. In poker people can and do consistently win to the point they can even live off of the game. That is not gambling by the definition I've presented, which I think most people agree with. Gambling: to stake or risk money, or anything of value, on the outcome of something involving chance. Poker be gambling son. | ||
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Chef
10810 Posts
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/gamble That'd be like calling Pawn Shop owners gamblers because they can't be sure they will get a return on their money. It's up to their skill to know what kind of return they should expect overall, whether some returns are bad or not. Everything involves luck. The only reason something can be considered gambling is if it is ALL luck (ie odds are never in your favour). Maybe it's just semantics, but I think it's pretty stupid to consider any game involving chance and betting to be luck. Might as well call betting in StarCraft gambling. | ||
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Faronel
United States658 Posts
On January 13 2010 12:50 Chef wrote: Not "involving chance" a game OF CHANCE. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/gamble That'd be like calling Pawn Shop owners gamblers because they can't be sure they will get a return on their money. It's up to their skill to know what kind of return they should expect overall, whether some returns are bad or not. Everything involves luck. The only reason something can be considered gambling is if it is ALL luck (ie odds are never in your favour). Maybe it's just semantics, but I think it's pretty stupid to consider any game involving chance and betting to be luck. Might as well call betting in StarCraft gambling. you're right, but I do have 1 counterpoint (I assume your last line to be talking about liquibetting, as betting with money is by society's standards a perfect example of gambling): How can liquibetting StarCraft be gambling, as you are not staking anything for greater return? | ||
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Zapdos_Smithh
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Divinek
Canada4045 Posts
On January 13 2010 12:50 Chef wrote: Not "involving chance" a game OF CHANCE. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/gamble That'd be like calling Pawn Shop owners gamblers because they can't be sure they will get a return on their money. It's up to their skill to know what kind of return they should expect overall, whether some returns are bad or not. Everything involves luck. The only reason something can be considered gambling is if it is ALL luck (ie odds are never in your favour). Maybe it's just semantics, but I think it's pretty stupid to consider any game involving chance and betting to be luck. Might as well call betting in StarCraft gambling. you realise in the link you provided literally the SECOND definition has exactly 'involving chance' in it right. ok then | ||
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Chef
10810 Posts
On January 13 2010 12:56 Faronel wrote: you're right, but I do have 1 counterpoint (I assume your last line to be talking about liquibetting, as betting with money is by society's standards a perfect example of gambling): How can liquibetting StarCraft be gambling, as you are not staking anything for greater return? I'm talking you and some guy decide to play StarCraft. If you think you're better than this guy, it's in your favour to bet. Just like if a experienced poker player goes to a table at limits he's confident at, it's in his favour. Gambling becomes such a meaningless term if it applies to pretty much everything. It becomes a problematic term if everyone has their own personal definition of how much luck must be involved to make something gambling. | ||
Chill
Calgary25981 Posts
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Chef
10810 Posts
On January 13 2010 13:08 Divinek wrote: you realise in the link you provided literally the SECOND definition has exactly 'involving chance' in it right. ok then It's a bad definition. That's why it's second. People misunderstand a word long enough, it becomes the definition of the word. Doesn't mean it's useful or that you should use it. | ||
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Mastermind
Canada7096 Posts
On January 13 2010 12:50 Chef wrote: Not "involving chance" a game OF CHANCE. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/gamble That'd be like calling Pawn Shop owners gamblers because they can't be sure they will get a return on their money. It's up to their skill to know what kind of return they should expect overall, whether some returns are bad or not. Everything involves luck. The only reason something can be considered gambling is if it is ALL luck (ie odds are never in your favour). Maybe it's just semantics, but I think it's pretty stupid to consider any game involving chance and betting to be luck. Might as well call betting in StarCraft gambling. When a pawn shop owner buys something in hopes that he will be able to resell it for greater value he is absolutely gambling. If you still disagree, look at definition number 5 in the link YOU provided. edit: just read your other posts. No point in even arguing with you, when presented with the truth you just ignore it. | ||
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Divinek
Canada4045 Posts
On January 13 2010 13:15 Chef wrote: It's a bad definition. That's why it's second. People misunderstand a word long enough, it becomes the definition of the word. Doesn't mean it's useful or that you should use it. i could say the same for your use of the first definition. Besides the numbering doesn't mean the quality of the definition, it's strictly a chronological thing, and I would think that makes it more accurate to come later. But I fully agree with mastermind! | ||
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Chef
10810 Posts
A business venture CAN be a gamble. Poker CAN be gambling. That's obvious. There's a lot of times when it's a much surer thing though. Gambling only has a meaning when you apply it to someone relying on luck. When someone says 'let's gamble!' in poker, they specifically mean they just wanna throw money at the table no matter what cards they're holding or what the board is like. Otherwise you might as well just say 'let's gamble!' before everything you do since nothing is guaranteed. Language has an express purpose of communicating information. If you call everything gambling the word might as well not exist. | ||
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Chef
10810 Posts
On January 13 2010 13:22 Divinek wrote: i could say the same for your use of the first definition. Besides the numbering doesn't mean the quality of the definition, it's strictly a chronological thing, and I would think that makes it more accurate to come later. But I fully agree with mastermind! Numbering means the most common use of the word. It's not chronological at all, that's why archaic things are listed last. definition 2 for gambling is popular largely among soccer moms. | ||
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Sharp-eYe
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Divinek
Canada4045 Posts
On January 13 2010 13:29 Chef wrote: Numbering means the most common use of the word. It's not chronological at all, that's why archaic things are listed last. definition 2 for gambling is popular largely among soccer moms. is it really the most common use of the word? lets take gay as an easy example gay /geɪ/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [gey] Show IPA adjective, -er, -est, noun, adverb Use gay in a Sentence See images of gay Search gay on the Web –adjective 1. having or showing a merry, lively mood: gay spirits; gay music. 2. bright or showy: gay colors; gay ornaments. then all the way down at number 5 5. homosexual. i dont think that's archaic, i think that defintion was found after! | ||
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artofmagic
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decafchicken
United States20022 Posts
that being said i dropped all of my 50$ i brought to the casino on my first hand of poker with a 98% chance to win and lost  | ||
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tomatriedes
New Zealand5356 Posts
gam·bol (gmbl) intr.v. gam·boled or gam·bolled, gam·bol·ing or gam·bol·ling, gam·bols To leap about playfully; frolic. n. A playful skipping or frolicking about | ||
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GogoKodo
Canada1785 Posts
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huameng
United States1133 Posts
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CaucasianAsian
Korea (South)11583 Posts
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
My friends make stupid bets all the time, 5 bucks on how much a nug weighs with over and under spread or whatever. They bet a few bucks on whatever sports is on atm because it makes the game more exciting rooting for a team. So yea you could say they are paying for the experience. I guess that would make sense too because they always think i'm too bitch or too poor to make a bet, but in reality I don't know enough about anything to make a bet nor do I get any enjoyment from doing it. | ||
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decafchicken
United States20022 Posts
On January 13 2010 15:43 huameng wrote: Thanks to this thread I have decided to get one of those sharks. Fucking badass. lol where | ||
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RaiZ
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On January 13 2010 18:01 CharlieMurphy wrote: yea just because it's not vs ridiculously favored house odds and vs other equal humans doesn't mean it's not gambling. My friends make stupid bets all the time, 5 bucks on how much a nug weighs with over and under spread or whatever. They bet a few bucks on whatever sports is on atm because it makes the game more exciting rooting for a team. So yea you could say they are paying for the experience. I guess that would make sense too because they always think i'm too bitch or too poor to make a bet, but in reality I don't know enough about anything to make a bet nor do I get any enjoyment from doing it. You have to experience it first in order to know what it looks like right ? ;p If you don't then you can safely assume your world is pretty good as it is. Nothing wrong with it. I decided to take the dark path, and it became much more fun but it can be really a pain for some. You shouldn't be afraid to lose if you want to enjoy the life as it is !  On January 13 2010 14:35 artofmagic wrote: i recently visited liquidpoker and heard that peeps are buying that poker shark plush. i want it too. but im not that good online poker player. what's the dollar equivalent to buy that plush? It's on VIP store on p0kerstars. I believe it costs 1300 vpp which is around 15$. I'm not sure you can buy it with dollar only, but if it does don't be surprised to see it costing a little more. Lol @ the blog becoming a thread about the definition of Gambling or Gambol, i just wanted to share my newly acquired shark and my LP beannie + TL shirt. Peace ! | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
Ya de meilleures bières RaiZ ! | ||
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RaiZ
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T'as quoi d'autres a proposer a part les kros ? ) | ||
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Divinek
Canada4045 Posts
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
On January 13 2010 22:17 RaiZ wrote: Mais oue, pas envie de payer une seize soixante quatre juste pour que je la boive moi-meme apres ! T'as quoi d'autres a proposer a part les kros ? ) Bah en fait je préfère les bières blanches, c'est plus une histoire de goût qu'autre chose. Un peu con ma remarque lol. Tu te débrouilles bien au poker ? Quelle limite ? edit: love the shark too :D | ||
Rekrul
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Frits
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RaiZ
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On January 14 2010 04:07 Rekrul wrote: lol you went to APPT? Why is that ? No i didn't. Hopefully in the near future ! | ||
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Rekrul
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QuanticHawk
United States32071 Posts
why are people arguing over the definition of gambling... it's pretty obvious and it's def about the experience too... ever been in a really big game of poker or a big dice game? it's fucking exhilerating | ||
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ghostWriter
United States3302 Posts
On January 16 2010 05:19 Hawk wrote: gambling owns. im going to go blow my money in ac tonight why are people arguing over the definition of gambling... it's pretty obvious and it's def about the experience too... ever been in a really big game of poker or a big dice game? it's fucking exhilerating It's that exhilerating? That sounds great, I'm going to try it out. | ||
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Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
and losing them make u realize how good life is | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32071 Posts
On January 16 2010 06:33 Rekrul wrote: winning 300k pots aren't as exciting as you think, much more calming than anything and losing them make u realize how good life is always keeping things in perspective for us little people | ||
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Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
sorry | ||
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