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haduken
Australia8267 Posts
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LastWish
2013 Posts
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Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
most human beings are inclined to not take the high road and try and gain edges when they can, especially if they feel there is no way people will know (which all comes back to their own self interest obv)....of course there are plenty of people with 'honor' but the dishonorable amongst the human race far outnumbers the honorable...and the reasons for this i think are obvious and pointess to bother discussing should we hold it against progamers of today for cheating in tournaments during progaming's infancy where everyone else was cheating anyways? i guess yes and no....young broke kids playing video games...desperate people do desperate things...if you actually want to be dissapointed at them or angry then you need to wake the fuck up, the world is full of greedy people...better start hating your neighbors! i mean...you can always forgive someone who is apologetic and still just never trust them again, pretty easy...don't hate but don't trust lol...but yeah the ones trying to justify their actions: L O L u did it cuz ur a greedy faggot and thats it, close ur pathetic trap much like back in the day during kbk as to now in tsl2, what a smart person would do about the dodging situation is to not cheat themselves, but to make a big public issue about the people they think are cheating and the inherent flaws in the system. it's all you really can do. try and make a change rather than melding yourself to the will of cheaters. the real ones to blame during kbk and stuff are the organizers for their stupidity to a much greater extent than blaming the gosu players 'forced' to abuse (not that what they did was right) i'm not saying TSL2 is a perfect system, as wax said every tournament has it's inherent flaws like the dodging stuff...but what the cheaters were too stupid to realize is, beyond it's inherent flaws are it's MOTHER FKING RULES. why do these sad kids all feel they are entitled to something? tsl is a gift from fking TLNET to the community, if you don't like its rules GTFO when i play live poker and i'm next to some old rich idiot who when he looks at his cards he totally exposes them to my perhiperial vision, i ALWAYS tell them to be careful looking at their cards and that i saw their hand. even the times where the dealer is dealing and slightly fucks up and one of the players' cards color is barely exposed to my eye i will say 'WTF BLACK FACE CARD FOR SURE FLIP IT UP MISDEAL' this should be standard in a perfect world, but its super rare, and i'm dissapointed to hear when some ppl whom i previously respect tell me 'yeah i could see his hand lol' but...what if i was completely broke and one of my family members needed a hospital operation but needed payment and my only way of getting cash was to abuse an advantage like this...would i tell the old stupid dude i could see his cards? probably not. does that make me a bad person? but comparing nazgul to these progamers is laughable. nazgul is a well-off educated intelligent multilingual guy from the netherlands who had the odds of succeeding in progaming stacked against him anyways. not knocking him at all and props to him as i know he's always been honorable....but it's much easier for him to take the high road than some stupid nerd no life fucker broke with no money slurping down ramyun noodles every day loser korean kid during the infancy of progaming i'm not saying i condone anything these cheating faggots ever did, nor would i ever do it, but u just gotta realize that people are what they are and react accordingly as for the cheater purdge, that is totally the correct reaction and i'm glad they are banned but man....more so than being like 'wow i'm so dissapointed that you'd be bad manner enough to cheat' ....what i'm thinking is: 'LOL YOU ARE SO FUCKING DUMB FOR TRYING TO CHEAT IN TSL (BY LEAPS AND BOUNDS THE MOST SCRUTINIZED AND FOLLOWED ONLINE FOREIGNER SC EVENT EVER) LOL ARE YOU FUCKING JOKING LOL GL LIFE LOLLLL' | ||
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synapse
China13814 Posts
On December 30 2009 06:20 Amarxist wrote: What you described is a boycott to play a single player. You can't do anything about that. That is such an extreme example it's almost not valid. Although, it would be funny to see. That is very likely not to happen, unless everyone hates that one person. The reality is, people want points. The need to play in order to gain points. Ego's between humans will make people believe they are better then others, or the best. Because of this, known people will play other known people. The more games are played the more inflation takes place. Edit: If you're so adamant in believing what you say is correct. Then why have all the people expected to qualify have qualified? Using your theory as an example, a lot of these most known, dangerous top foreign players should have been dodged off the ladder. How was morrow able to increase his ranking to #2 in the last days of the ladder? TeamLiquid provided a big incentive to take top 12 in ladder by granting those with top 12 higher positions in the tournament rounds. This instills greed into people and they're willing to do anything (abuse, dodge, or not dodge and risk losing their current ranking for fear they may be overtaken). Well that's exactly what happens when you don't allow smurfs. | ||
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Sharp-eYe
Canada642 Posts
And on the TSL1 AND TSL2 rules post it says that they can request a smurf. | ||
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
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thopol
Japan4560 Posts
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21242 Posts
Is it fair that the abusers are banned? Absolutely. But it would be even fairer if dodgers were also banned. Is that practical? Not at all. But because of the dodging that led to the abusing, I honestly do not find the abusers to be morally reprehensible anymore than a dodger :\ Think of F91 - he was faced with a double burden of 1) needing top 12, 2) only able to, most of the time, play Koreans. He had his hand forced, so he abused. Then he got caught and was banned. Sucks, but I don't find him to be a monstrously immoral person because of it. | ||
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tissue
Malaysia441 Posts
If you were in top 60-ish and getting dodged to hell, and ended up having to play against people way better, which didn't end well, you have the respect of everyone in the community, if anyone ever finds out. And nothing else. | ||
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parkin
1080 Posts
Automatic match making would be a better option. The current TSL2 online qualifier is obviously flawed. | ||
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Physician
United States4146 Posts
On December 29 2009 08:59 Waxangel wrote: an unregulated ladder is not a credible ladder... as for the future, if we are lucky, Blizz is reading too. | ||
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deathgod6
United States5064 Posts
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Subversive
Australia2229 Posts
If you believed Reason you'd think he miraculously occupied this tiny niche of skill where EVERYONE decent whom he could win against dodged him and yet he was just not good enough to play any korean of equivalent rank. On December 30 2009 05:57 Amarxist wrote: Ego's between humans will make people believe they are better then others, or the best. Because of this, known people will play other known people Exactly, most gamers of roughly equal skill think they can beat each other - and hence will play. You also start to lose more points than you gain as you hit A-/A. So if a bunch of ppl are dodging not just koreans but also good foreigners then immediately a bunch will start to lose more points than they gain. And the one's that somehow make it through are going to be vsing either: a) the few other dodgers that scavenged and clawed their way over their fellow dodgers to the top48 or b) they will be facing ppl who got into the top 48 by not dodging. So they will realistically lose. On December 30 2009 05:30 Hamster1800 wrote: Besides the comments I inserted into your post in bold, consider that almost none of the people in top 48 are capable of having a winning record against A- koreans. This is irrelevant because this is a foreigner tournament. The real question is 'Can they beat IdrA, ret, White-Ra in a Bo5?'. The only possible victims that Hamster1800 identifies is someone who is supposedly so gosu that no foreigner will play them, except somehow aren't good enough to play IdrA/White-Ra or any korean. I frankly don't think these ppl exist. We've got a great top 48 and the ppl who blatantly cheated have been removed. Dodging is barely a problem, get over it. They'll be owned by the better players soon, remember only 12 are advancing out of this 48, so chill :p | ||
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StarsPride
United States364 Posts
( lose more points to noobs as opposed to top ) | ||
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dangots0ul
United States919 Posts
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On January 04 2010 23:54 InClass wrote: I sure, but if you're so good to be dodged by everyone then you're good enough to play the A- koreans and win. And if you're not good enough to play the A- koreans and win then people probably aren't going to be dodging you - simple. It is not simple because you're plain wrong. The skill gap between B+/A- is so HUGE because of the fact that you lose more than you win when you attain the A- rank. You have to freaking realize that an A- Korean is a GREAT deal better than a typical foreigner as it's just their culture. There is a big gap in there for someone to be good enough for people to dodge his ass and not quite able to beat A- Koreans. The only possible victims that Hamster1800 identifies is someone who is supposedly so gosu that no foreigner will play them, except somehow aren't good enough to play IdrA/White-Ra or any korean. Again there are more than you think. The way A level play works means the skill gap can be VERY VERY significant. Idra/Ret/White-Ra are some of the very few foreigners that can play against A- Koreans and retain a winning record. I frankly don't think these ppl exist. You're a hopeless cause then We've got a great top 48 and the ppl who blatantly cheated have been removed. Dodging is barely a problem, get over it. They'll be owned by the better players soon, remember only 12 are advancing out of this 48, so chill :p "so chill" I fucking hate this comment in this case with so much passion. Why the hell should we just CHILL with an inherently flawed system. Even TL admins generally agree that an open "you can select your opponents" ladder is just not that good. Dodging is a problem, it always HAS been one. Even if the dodgers in the Top48 get eliminated soon it can very well deprive you of a good game because someone else of higher skill got bumped out because his poor ass god dodged five ways to sunday. It's a problem, start realizing that thanks. | ||
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