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Ok well for this particular case you would be better off saying, "most white people" don't understand this type of situation, as there are indeed poor white people who grow up in identical situations and go to the schools like the one the article mentions.
if you are born into a community like that, no matter what race you are -- you are in for a tough childhood.
is it really a grand conspiracy by powerful white people who all want to keep the black man down in poverty so they can't become educated?
perhaps, or is it just our government's failure to fix a not so easy situation that many modern countries face as well? what if the government fixed up a school real nice (like it was for white kids, right?), would this change the environment it's placed in? i don't feel that it would. I don't feel that kids would suddenly treat school differently-- not even suburban white kids feel their education is important until their parents get on their ass in highschool.
blacks and hispanics continue to show the worst testing results in quality public schools as well -- while asians and indians show higher results than the white population (this is where the stereotypes come from).
which is why a well-educated black or latino has a world of opportunity made for them.
i'm not saying it is their skin color that's holding them back, otherwise I'd be a racist 0_o -- but there is a history behind the culture of many black people that has led to these problems, and while a big one is the discrimination felt in the past -- it is not the ultimate excuse for not being successful.
the problem is the poor community, where everyone (many of your own race) is indirectly dragging you down.
basically, if I was going to be born into a shit neighborhood -- I'd rather be a minority than a majority.
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On October 28 2009 10:13 eMbrace wrote:
basically, if I was going to be born into a shit neighborhood -- I'd rather be a minority than a majority.
You can't just insert yourself into different roles and assume you would be the same person. If you were in a shit neighborhood maybe you would get into drugs younger or maybe nobody would ever hold you accountable. In a bad environment a person doesn't reach nearly their potential. All the potential in the world means absolutely dick if it is never realized.
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I wonder if this girl watched Hotel Rwanda.
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Every Black man or woman in the US has blood relations to slavery.
I do not call them African American because they are not African.
They were forcefully extracted from Africa, and forced to work as slaves in the NEW WORLD. Now, they remain in the White Man's World on Red Man's Soil. Do they have less power than the rulers? Necessarily so.
Q:What do they call the despotism of warlords in Ethiopia?
A: They don't.
Ironically, in the US blacks still call each other "nigger"- affectionately no less!
It would be fairly difficult for any group to build itself up after being enslaved for that long. We only learn cutesy anecdotes from the history of Blacks in America for the same reason we only learn cutesy anecdotes about Whites in Native America- it's a sad state of affairs and "the man" would prefer that you remain oblivious since it's a lot easier for him to control those who make victims of themselves and are full of hate.
'No one remember ole' Marcus'
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On October 28 2009 09:53 blue_arrow wrote:
asians dominate my university, with im guessing between one third and one half of the people here being asian. it is incredibly fobby here. alot of brown ppl as well. you guys remember the how to dress like an asian guy thread? you should just come to my uni..
they dominated the highschool i went to as well, with probably well over half being asian. super fobby as well; seriously you heard more canto, mando and korean in the hallways than english. strange that there are no japanese people.
but only like 10% of the city's population is asian
it is imo actually more socially advantageous to be asian at my uni than to be white.
i have no idea why there isn't a bubble tea cafe at my uni, everyone craves bubble tea why is there no bubble tea wtf
Are you aware the UC system in California is heavily racist against Asians? They are constantly changing measures in order to get less Asians in the system and more whites. Most Asian minorities LITERALLY just work harder than whites on average in terms of educations.
Also (this part isn't fact but merely from what I recall), I believe affirmative action does not currently apply to Asians applying to university. Asians and whites are excluded from affirmative action, the rest are included. I remember reading it somewhere, as I'm Asian and I was looking into it when applying, although my memory could be wrong.
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On October 28 2009 05:38 TheAntZ wrote:
White people hardly are racist anymore, black people are the most racist people in the world now.
I wonder what happens if someone actually says that out loud in front of everyone.
On October 28 2009 06:13 Elvin_vn wrote:
There is no racism whatsoever
I hold the opposite view, racism is everywhere and its only natural
Btw i fucking love this thread, going to keep reading
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On October 28 2009 11:03 food wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2009 05:38 TheAntZ wrote:
White people hardly are racist anymore, black people are the most racist people in the world now. I wonder what happens if someone actually says that out loud in front of everyone.
I would personally laud him for his courage and honesty.
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On October 28 2009 11:05 phosphorylation wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2009 11:03 food wrote:On October 28 2009 05:38 TheAntZ wrote:
White people hardly are racist anymore, black people are the most racist people in the world now. I wonder what happens if someone actually says that out loud in front of everyone. I would personally laud him for his courage and honesty.
Absolutely. If this exact wording hit my head while discussing it in similar circumstances i couldve gotten carried away and said it, i love how strong this statement is.
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On October 28 2009 07:16 Divinek wrote:
Well it certainly seems that white people are the only people who get in shit for being racist. At least you know you see all these comedians who use racist jokes and they're all not white, because if a white guy tries to pull stuff like that it just doesn't go over well.
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On October 28 2009 10:04 lazz wrote:
you in australia blue arrow?
nope, it's a canadian uni (not in BC or Ontario either, and also not Waterloo, which kind of makes it weird. hmm, now that i think about it waterloo doesn't really have a lot of 'fobby' asians, just alot of 'nerdy' asians, you know, the types that are really quiet and do really good academically and are mostly in sciences or engineering or something. also, you'd be surprised at the range of academic abilities that can be found amogst the 'fobby' asians.)
On October 28 2009 10:05 phosphorylation wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On October 28 2009 09:53 blue_arrow wrote:
asians dominate my university, with im guessing between one third and one half of the people here being asian. it is incredibly fobby here. alot of brown ppl as well. you guys remember the how to dress like an asian guy thread? you should just come to my uni..
they dominated the highschool i went to as well, with probably well over half being asian. super fobby as well; seriously you heard more canto, mando and korean in the hallways than english. strange that there are no japanese people.
but only like 10% of the city's population is asian
it is imo actually more socially advantageous to be asian at my uni than to be white.
i have no idea why there isn't a bubble tea cafe at my uni, everyone craves bubble tea why is there no bubble tea wtf thats coz all the asians in your uni. got owned by "counter-affirmative action" for elite universities (top Ivies plus Stanford...not so much MIT and Caltech..what can they do without asians?). In my aforementioned so-called elite school, asians are indeed the glaring minority
not to be racist or anything (LOL), but shouldnt counter-affirmative action make it so that there are alot of asians at 'elite universities'?? (from my personal experience, there is a definite correlation between being asian and doing well academically). Also, i don't know about the USA, but here in canada most of my highschool friends (~60%) left our hometown and home uni, and went off to top canadian universities to spread the asian domination. the asians that stayed here either A) didn't meet the academic requirements (that are equal for everyone; usually english courses are the problem rofl [again, not being racist, it's just the course that asians do statistically have the most trouble with (i wonder why, lol..)]), B) parents wanted them to stay to save money C) got ridiculous scholarship monies that were too good to reject (my school's asian valedictorian falls under this category).
On October 28 2009 10:52 FabledIntegral wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On October 28 2009 09:53 blue_arrow wrote:
asians dominate my university, with im guessing between one third and one half of the people here being asian. it is incredibly fobby here. alot of brown ppl as well. you guys remember the how to dress like an asian guy thread? you should just come to my uni..
they dominated the highschool i went to as well, with probably well over half being asian. super fobby as well; seriously you heard more canto, mando and korean in the hallways than english. strange that there are no japanese people.
but only like 10% of the city's population is asian
it is imo actually more socially advantageous to be asian at my uni than to be white.
i have no idea why there isn't a bubble tea cafe at my uni, everyone craves bubble tea why is there no bubble tea wtf Are you aware the UC system in California is heavily racist against Asians? They are constantly changing measures in order to get less Asians in the system and more whites. Most Asian minorities LITERALLY just work harder than whites on average in terms of educations. Also (this part isn't fact but merely from what I recall), I believe affirmative action does not currently apply to Asians applying to university. Asians and whites are excluded from affirmative action, the rest are included. I remember reading it somewhere, as I'm Asian and I was looking into it when applying, although my memory could be wrong.
damn, that sucks for californian asians, you should come to canada or something. also from my experience in travelling to california, the asians there are a lot less fobby than their canadian counterparts. their inner fobs have been suppressed, immigrate to the fruitcake that is canada and free yourself from the American melting pot! become the fob that you were meant to be =o
also i'm pretty sure that canadian universities don't take affirmative action either, otherwise waterloo and the University of a Billion Chinese wouldn't exist. (these two schools are pretty tops in canada btw, espeically waterloo)
EDIT: oh yeah, also racism here in canada isn't as intense as in the states i guess, cause people here seem to not really care as much/not fear the possible consequences as much/are just completely use to the diversity in ethnicity. i guess white people here do get more uncomfortable/act more awkwardly when topics about diversity are brought up though... (they get more uncomfortable than browns or blacks or asians is what i mean; maybe cause they themselves have accepted an idea of whites being the most racist, and thus fear being called racist in case they say something 'wrong' [hmm, i guess this is the reason why whites get so uncomfortable, because whites will probably be called racist for saying something that would've been considered un-racist when spoken by a minority. anyone remember that piece of news about a white teacher calling a black student 'nigga' because he say that that was what other blacks called each other?]) yeah, here in canada, we are realtively un-nationalistic when compared to other first world western nations, and people wonder if it is because of the distinct and untouched multiculturalism.
EDIT2: hey, my post count is asian!
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Well this certainly used to be "true" in the colonial ages.
And even if it's true nowadays, racism is only one kind of prejudice. Hating people because of their religion, or because of their nationality or their social status are bigger issues.
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Pure idiocy, any one can be racist. I'm asian and if I start my own company and decide not to hire someone because of their race that sounds like racism to me.
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I kind of see her point, but I think only white people can discriminate makes more sense than only white people can be racist.
As in, a few years ago, a guy sued a bar holding a lady's night free drinks night for sexual discrimination, only guy shouldn't be able to sue for discrimination.
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On October 28 2009 11:41 igotmyown wrote:
I kind of see her point, but I think only white people can discriminate makes more sense than only white people can be racist.
No that makes less sense because "discriminating" is much broader than "being racist".
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On October 28 2009 08:40 FabledIntegral wrote:
Too much of the typical white response is ignorant in this thread I believe - maybe you have an advantage getting into college - that's about it.
I have a lot more to write on this, but most white people haven't been bitched out or had their shit kicked on the ground on the sole basis of race. In class now, but the white perspective on the matter is absolutely ... uninformed.
So you perfectly know how it is for a white guy to walk into a black store in a black part of town late at night? Shut your trap lol. You never experienced anything threatening besides your schoolmates clowning on your weak ass, dont make yourself a martyr. Nowadays you can easily get your ass whooped for being a "whiteboy". Who else is afraid to walk through a "wrong" part of town solely cuz of their skin color? Dont ever say that someone cant understand how you feel since hes white, this is whats really ignorant. Ive only been in this country for 5 years and ive seen every side of this already.
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On October 28 2009 09:41 koreasilver wrote:
Here, I found one of the articles that I saved into my computer since I found it off my university's online data sources.
... schools are more segregated than 30 years ago, with more than 80% of African-American schools facing concentrated levels of poverty. When understanding the US system of school funding depending on the economic prosperity of the district, it is sufficient to say that African-American schools are not only segregated but continue to be highly unequal. It is therefore not surprising that with limited resources and poor quality teaching, the students are performing in general below standards. However, lower educational quality and achievement will directly and indirectly again keep African-Americans in place, as those being able to only achieve lesser levels of education and find less prestigious jobs will, as a consequence, perpetuate for whites and unfortunately some African-Americans the biases and negative images surrounding African-American people. Furthermore, the draw back of affirmative action and the allowance of segregated and therefore unequal schools for African-Americans are clear indicators of the deteriorating situation for the African-American underclass and an increasingly difficult situation for middle class African-Americans, as society and its sociological structures seems in direct and indirect terms to further and further limit their opportunities and upward mobility.
Spending more money on a school generally has almost nothing to do with the average scores that the school cranks out, and it's ridiculous that people insist on always making these comparisons. The district of columbia spends more money per student than any other school district in the country and still produces some of the most abysmal results.
Have you ever even been to a minority dominated school? The money isn't the problem, it's the culture that the students come from. It's been said before. Low class cultures simply don't value education, regardless of race. I know several people who have been teaching in the San Bernardino school system for years, and every single one of them has been totally burned out. They pour their hearts into trying to educate these kids year after year after year, and a significant portion of them still can't even read by the time they're teenagers. Are you saying that because their budget is a certain percentage below the budget of the neighboring (white) school districts that they lack the funds necessary to teach the students how to read?
All the money in the world can only lead the horse to water...
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there are different kinds of racism
systematic racism can only be done by the race with most power, which happens to be whites in all western countries
on an individual level, anyone can be racist
the word racism can mean both the discrimination of people based on ethnicity and prejudice held against people based on ethnicity and the belief that one ethnicity is superior or inferior to other ethnicities. the latter two can occur in any place, but blacks are not in the same position as whites when it comes to discriminating against the other.
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On October 28 2009 09:41 koreasilver wrote:
... schools are more segregated than 30 years ago, with more than 80% of African-American schools facing concentrated levels of poverty. When understanding the US system of school funding depending on the economic prosperity of the district, it is sufficient to say that African-American schools are not only segregated but continue to be highly unequal. It is therefore not surprising that with limited resources and poor quality teaching, the students are performing in general below standards. However, lower educational quality and achievement will directly and indirectly again keep African-Americans in place, as those being able to only achieve lesser levels of education and find less prestigious jobs will, as a consequence, perpetuate for whites and unfortunately some African-Americans the biases and negative images surrounding African-American people. Furthermore, the draw back of affirmative action and the allowance of segregated and therefore unequal schools for African-Americans are clear indicators of the deteriorating situation for the African-American underclass and an increasingly difficult situation for middle class African-Americans, as society and its sociological structures seems in direct and indirect terms to further and further limit their opportunities and upward mobility.
This is another bright example of what the black chick in OP was stating. Article ignores so many things its ridiculous. A lot of black people live in poor districts thus going to schools with bad funding. Again, many people that attend there are so ignorant and careless for education none of those schools can be successfully renovated and well maintained. Obviously with that level of education you cannot get a decent job and its true for anyone; if anything an employer expects less from a black to begin with thus lowering the hiring standard( call it racism but fuck, 90% of them wouldnt get a competitive job otherwise)
edit: biochemist stated a lot of this above me
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nigger means "black" in latin apparently
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On October 28 2009 11:56 Liquid`Drone wrote:
there are different kinds of racism
systematic racism can only be done by the race with most power, which happens to be whites in all western countries
on an individual level, anyone can be racist
the word racism can mean both the discrimination of people based on ethnicity and prejudice held against people based on ethnicity and the belief that one ethnicity is superior or inferior to other ethnicities. the latter two can occur in any place, but blacks are not in the same position as whites when it comes to discriminating against the other.
I agree, you said it more precisely than I could. Discrimination is not strictly broader, as a slave with no power would not have the power to discriminate. But they can certainly hate their white masters. If some americans really really hate french people, they still may not be able to discriminate against them.
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