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On October 28 2009 07:10 Misrah wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2009 06:46 koreasilver wrote:
When it comes to America I can understand the general frustration that many blacks may have because even now blacks are very marginalized by the system. Many whites may believe that minorities have it better than them because of some slight benefits that minorities may have, but that's just utterly retarded because many whites obviously don't realize how bad the prejudices against minorities are even to this day (most significantly, blacks). When I look into the history and society of America, whites seriously are to be blamed for the living standards of blacks, and the subsequent degenerative life that some blacks may be pushed into living. Obviously most people don't really look into it and give it a damn and find it easier to just simply blame the low level minorities of sucking the government of tax money, causing crime, and not working hard enough to become productive citizens. I'm not closely connected to any black communities so I don't really have an intimate idea of how some blacks may think of society and their position in it or how much beliefs may differ amongst themselves, but I can easily see how many, many blacks must be absolutely frustrated and angered at whites.
With all sincerity, most whites simply do not understand minorities. It might be annoying when people say that, but it's true. Whites really don't get it. So many whites think they solved their societal problems when it comes to race but they don't realize that under the surface shit is still really bad. If you really, really think minorities have it better than whites or even have it on par, then you have no idea what you're talking about.
edit: This doesn't really have to do with the racism discussion of this thread but the things some people have said in this thread just really annoyed me. Sorry korea Im calling you on this. Blacks are not marginalized by the system. Take my college experience- I had black friends who were accepted to a college when my other white friends who had higher GPA and SAT scores were denied. I know this as fact, because my black friend thought that it was rather funny and shared his scores with me. Affirmative action is a bitch, and frankly if you are a black person and can get out of college with a useful degree finding a job is not a problem. Whites are not to be blamed for the living standards of blacks. The only thing that white people did many many years ago was red lining. However this is a thing of the past, and is certainly not carried on today. If you want to point the finger as to why many black people live in delapidated housing and in poor community's, the answer lies within the Kennedy and Clinton administration, along with the actions of the community members themselves. Black people are never forced into that condition- it is simply a lack of education, and the lack of a strong family values. The black culture in America perpetuates the idea that the only way to succeed is to become a rapper, or a basket ball player. Education is never an option and being smart is not cool. The lack of appropriate values and the lack of parental teaching or proper morals is not in the typical black family. This is because of parents having children out of wedlock, incarcerated, dead, or having to work 2+ dead end jobs to try and make ends meet. It's no wonder why their kids end up on the street- perpetuating the cycle again and again. Black culture is simply a product of the environment that black kids were brought up in. The only reason a black person would ever be frustrated with a white person is if the black person came from a terrible community, and or had no form of education. I can guarantee you that any middle class or upper class black person has no problem with the white neighbors. It is always the lower class fools. as for whites not understanding blacks, i couldn't agree with you more. However enough is enough. it is common knowledge that this country was built on the backs of black people, and that slavery and the treatment of black people in the south a crime against humanity. the only problem with black people still carrying that baggage is that- i had nothing to do with it, my parents had nothing to do with it, and my kids most certainly will not have anything to do with it. The past should stay in the past, and frankly it's a huge copout when a black person pulls the slavery card. Because i can guarantee you that slavery has nothing to do with the modern day black persons plight. Do minorities have it better than whites? Yes and no. It really depends on the minority that you ask. My friend from middle school is on a full ride to UW Madison- because her last name is Rameirez. Funny thing is, she is not hispanic. At the same time- If I a Midwestern white person would go to apply for a job on the coast- i can guarantee you that i would get the job over any white/black/pink/purple person. Korea you live in Canada, have you ever been to Chicago? Milwaukee? Detroit? I go to school in Milwaukee the murder capitol of the Midwest (yes it has a higher murder rate than Chicago) and i can tell you from experience, that the biggest obstacle black people face- are themselves.
see i'd like to say this kind of stuff in class but I'd probably look like a huuuggee racist.
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if its the truth, who cares say it
if its true it just shows how fucked up everyone else is
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saying only whites can be racist is racist man
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On October 28 2009 07:04 FabledIntegral wrote:
My Asian American studies has said the same thing actually.
This is what I have in my current notes for the class
"- Racism
o In order to be racist, you have to have power. If you can’t implement a power, you can’t discriminate. Concerning institutional racism.
o Racial prejudice is irrelevant if a person can’t convert that prejudice into action. Racism requires influences legislation or some enforced policy. Then only called racist (as the professor refers to it)."
Basically the definition of racist is different in the context he is using, aka institutional racism. If your'e going on the definition from dictionary.com, my professor is just... wrong.
God this is so disgusting.
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Im not racist. I don't hold any ill will to black people, i am merely pointing out the problem. Notice how i didn't use any condescending language, and simply showed the points? If any one were to take that comment as racist- i would probably lol in their face. I work as a lifeguard in an inner city pool, and work with 100% minorities all summer. I get called racist for doing anything- when in reality it's the farthest thing from the truth. from my experience I have had minorities call me a racists as soon as i had to remind them of the rules, or enforce some of the pool rules. So really i think that most minorities have a convoluted sense of what it means to be racist. Your black girl in class especially.
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On October 28 2009 07:10 Misrah wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2009 06:46 koreasilver wrote:
When it comes to America I can understand the general frustration that many blacks may have because even now blacks are very marginalized by the system. Many whites may believe that minorities have it better than them because of some slight benefits that minorities may have, but that's just utterly retarded because many whites obviously don't realize how bad the prejudices against minorities are even to this day (most significantly, blacks). When I look into the history and society of America, whites seriously are to be blamed for the living standards of blacks, and the subsequent degenerative life that some blacks may be pushed into living. Obviously most people don't really look into it and give it a damn and find it easier to just simply blame the low level minorities of sucking the government of tax money, causing crime, and not working hard enough to become productive citizens. I'm not closely connected to any black communities so I don't really have an intimate idea of how some blacks may think of society and their position in it or how much beliefs may differ amongst themselves, but I can easily see how many, many blacks must be absolutely frustrated and angered at whites.
With all sincerity, most whites simply do not understand minorities. It might be annoying when people say that, but it's true. Whites really don't get it. So many whites think they solved their societal problems when it comes to race but they don't realize that under the surface shit is still really bad. If you really, really think minorities have it better than whites or even have it on par, then you have no idea what you're talking about.
edit: This doesn't really have to do with the racism discussion of this thread but the things some people have said in this thread just really annoyed me. lots of stuff
I'll reply to you sometime else. I have read a lot of scholarly articles that I will use as my credible sources for my arguments. I didn't want to say anything because I seriously did not want to be bothered to find all these articles again in my university library just to argue with a bunch of people on a starcraft forum. IDK. I seriously won't have time to write everything I want to until like December, and honestly, I find little to no reason to spend so much time to write something on a forum to people that I really don't care about all that much. Maybe I'll bump the thread after exams or something.
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On October 28 2009 07:32 Misrah wrote:
Im not racist. I don't hold any ill will to black people, i am merely pointing out the problem. Notice how i didn't use any condescending language, and simply showed the points? If any one were to take that comment as racist- i would probably lol in their face. I work as a lifeguard in an inner city pool, and work with 100% minorities all summer. I get called racist for doing anything- when in reality it's the farthest thing from the truth. from my experience I have had minorities call me a racists as soon as i had to remind them of the rules, or enforce some of the pool rules. So really i think that most minorities have a convoluted sense of what it means to be racist. Your black girl in class especially.
Yeah I'm not accusing you, I'm just saying that many people would call you racist if they heard you say these things.
Like you can't defend against these people without being condemned yourself.
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On October 28 2009 07:04 FabledIntegral wrote:
My Asian American studies has said the same thing actually.
This is what I have in my current notes for the class
"- Racism
o In order to be racist, you have to have power. If you can’t implement a power, you can’t discriminate. Concerning institutional racism.
o Racial prejudice is irrelevant if a person can’t convert that prejudice into action. Racism requires influences legislation or some enforced policy. Then only called racist (as the professor refers to it)."
Basically the definition of racist is different in the context he is using, aka institutional racism. If your'e going on the definition from dictionary.com, my professor is just... wrong.
You just can't alter the common definition of racism and teach it to students and then send them back into the real world...
0_o
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i don't see why people without power can't hold prejudices or discriminatory views. seeing as that's more or less all racism is, all people minorities or not can be racist.
to say that only white people can be institutionally racist gives minorities a "get out of jail free" card. any historically disenfranchised ethnicity can then claim that they're not being racist when they espouse prejudiced views. that seems rather ridiculous to me.
racism cannot be pinned onto a group of people. racism isn't inherent in a national, cultural, or ethnic identity. racism is a problem that rests within individual people, not with a group of people.
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On October 28 2009 07:23 eMbrace wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2009 07:10 Misrah wrote:On October 28 2009 06:46 koreasilver wrote:
When it comes to America I can understand the general frustration that many blacks may have because even now blacks are very marginalized by the system. Many whites may believe that minorities have it better than them because of some slight benefits that minorities may have, but that's just utterly retarded because many whites obviously don't realize how bad the prejudices against minorities are even to this day (most significantly, blacks). When I look into the history and society of America, whites seriously are to be blamed for the living standards of blacks, and the subsequent degenerative life that some blacks may be pushed into living. Obviously most people don't really look into it and give it a damn and find it easier to just simply blame the low level minorities of sucking the government of tax money, causing crime, and not working hard enough to become productive citizens. I'm not closely connected to any black communities so I don't really have an intimate idea of how some blacks may think of society and their position in it or how much beliefs may differ amongst themselves, but I can easily see how many, many blacks must be absolutely frustrated and angered at whites.
With all sincerity, most whites simply do not understand minorities. It might be annoying when people say that, but it's true. Whites really don't get it. So many whites think they solved their societal problems when it comes to race but they don't realize that under the surface shit is still really bad. If you really, really think minorities have it better than whites or even have it on par, then you have no idea what you're talking about.
edit: This doesn't really have to do with the racism discussion of this thread but the things some people have said in this thread just really annoyed me. Sorry korea Im calling you on this. Blacks are not marginalized by the system. Take my college experience- I had black friends who were accepted to a college when my other white friends who had higher GPA and SAT scores were denied. I know this as fact, because my black friend thought that it was rather funny and shared his scores with me. Affirmative action is a bitch, and frankly if you are a black person and can get out of college with a useful degree finding a job is not a problem. Whites are not to be blamed for the living standards of blacks. The only thing that white people did many many years ago was red lining. However this is a thing of the past, and is certainly not carried on today. If you want to point the finger as to why many black people live in delapidated housing and in poor community's, the answer lies within the Kennedy and Clinton administration, along with the actions of the community members themselves. Black people are never forced into that condition- it is simply a lack of education, and the lack of a strong family values. The black culture in America perpetuates the idea that the only way to succeed is to become a rapper, or a basket ball player. Education is never an option and being smart is not cool. The lack of appropriate values and the lack of parental teaching or proper morals is not in the typical black family. This is because of parents having children out of wedlock, incarcerated, dead, or having to work 2+ dead end jobs to try and make ends meet. It's no wonder why their kids end up on the street- perpetuating the cycle again and again. Black culture is simply a product of the environment that black kids were brought up in. The only reason a black person would ever be frustrated with a white person is if the black person came from a terrible community, and or had no form of education. I can guarantee you that any middle class or upper class black person has no problem with the white neighbors. It is always the lower class fools. as for whites not understanding blacks, i couldn't agree with you more. However enough is enough. it is common knowledge that this country was built on the backs of black people, and that slavery and the treatment of black people in the south a crime against humanity. the only problem with black people still carrying that baggage is that- i had nothing to do with it, my parents had nothing to do with it, and my kids most certainly will not have anything to do with it. The past should stay in the past, and frankly it's a huge copout when a black person pulls the slavery card. Because i can guarantee you that slavery has nothing to do with the modern day black persons plight. Do minorities have it better than whites? Yes and no. It really depends on the minority that you ask. My friend from middle school is on a full ride to UW Madison- because her last name is Rameirez. Funny thing is, she is not hispanic. At the same time- If I a Midwestern white person would go to apply for a job on the coast- i can guarantee you that i would get the job over any white/black/pink/purple person. Korea you live in Canada, have you ever been to Chicago? Milwaukee? Detroit? I go to school in Milwaukee the murder capitol of the Midwest (yes it has a higher murder rate than Chicago) and i can tell you from experience, that the biggest obstacle black people face- are themselves. see i'd like to say this kind of stuff in class but I'd probably look like a huuuggee racist.
Surprisingly I think some of what Misrah says is true, but it should be put in more appropriate context.
Given the fact that racism was embedded in laws (segregation and such) as recently as the 1960s (and many people probably remained significantly racist long after that) it is not surprising that African communities developed issues. Poor communities always have problems like we see with many african american communities today, and it is not suprising that many individuals struggle to escape the vicious circle Misrah mentions when we bear in mind how long they have been extant, and how much culture has developed around their existence.
But yeah I agree - the blaming of white oppression for current issues isn't going to help anyone and is mostly done by idiots. Yes, problems today arguably in large part the result of past oppression which was performed by caucasions, but as Misrah says those people are not alive today and current white americans have nothing to do with them.
As to eMbrace - given the established fact that the people in your class are (probably) idiots, you've done well keeping it to yourself :p , but if you put it in the appropriate context (community problems which became so bad as to become strongly self perpetuating, but originated as the result of unfortunate historical circumstances such as slavery) it shouldn't sound racist to reasonable (and not idiotic) listeners.
This is not to say I think blacks in america are no longer adversely affected by racism (how could I know? I haven't been everywhere and seen everything), but rather, I acknowledge there are other factors which keep poor communities poor.
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On October 28 2009 07:10 Misrah wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2009 06:46 koreasilver wrote:
When it comes to America I can understand the general frustration that many blacks may have because even now blacks are very marginalized by the system. Many whites may believe that minorities have it better than them because of some slight benefits that minorities may have, but that's just utterly retarded because many whites obviously don't realize how bad the prejudices against minorities are even to this day (most significantly, blacks). When I look into the history and society of America, whites seriously are to be blamed for the living standards of blacks, and the subsequent degenerative life that some blacks may be pushed into living. Obviously most people don't really look into it and give it a damn and find it easier to just simply blame the low level minorities of sucking the government of tax money, causing crime, and not working hard enough to become productive citizens. I'm not closely connected to any black communities so I don't really have an intimate idea of how some blacks may think of society and their position in it or how much beliefs may differ amongst themselves, but I can easily see how many, many blacks must be absolutely frustrated and angered at whites.
With all sincerity, most whites simply do not understand minorities. It might be annoying when people say that, but it's true. Whites really don't get it. So many whites think they solved their societal problems when it comes to race but they don't realize that under the surface shit is still really bad. If you really, really think minorities have it better than whites or even have it on par, then you have no idea what you're talking about.
edit: This doesn't really have to do with the racism discussion of this thread but the things some people have said in this thread just really annoyed me. Sorry korea Im calling you on this. Blacks are not marginalized by the system. Take my college experience- I had black friends who were accepted to a college when my other white friends who had higher GPA and SAT scores were denied. I know this as fact, because my black friend thought that it was rather funny and shared his scores with me. Affirmative action is a bitch, and frankly if you are a black person and can get out of college with a useful degree finding a job is not a problem. Whites are not to be blamed for the living standards of blacks. The only thing that white people did many many years ago was red lining. However this is a thing of the past, and is certainly not carried on today. If you want to point the finger as to why many black people live in delapidated housing and in poor community's, the answer lies within the Kennedy and Clinton administration, along with the actions of the community members themselves. Black people are never forced into that condition- it is simply a lack of education, and the lack of a strong family values. The black culture in America perpetuates the idea that the only way to succeed is to become a rapper, or a basket ball player. Education is never an option and being smart is not cool. The lack of appropriate values and the lack of parental teaching or proper morals is not in the typical black family. This is because of parents having children out of wedlock, incarcerated, dead, or having to work 2+ dead end jobs to try and make ends meet. It's no wonder why their kids end up on the street- perpetuating the cycle again and again. Black culture is simply a product of the environment that black kids were brought up in. The only reason a black person would ever be frustrated with a white person is if the black person came from a terrible community, and or had no form of education. I can guarantee you that any middle class or upper class black person has no problem with the white neighbors. It is always the lower class fools. as for whites not understanding blacks, i couldn't agree with you more. However enough is enough. it is common knowledge that this country was built on the backs of black people, and that slavery and the treatment of black people in the south a crime against humanity. the only problem with black people still carrying that baggage is that- i had nothing to do with it, my parents had nothing to do with it, and my kids most certainly will not have anything to do with it. The past should stay in the past, and frankly it's a huge copout when a black person pulls the slavery card. Because i can guarantee you that slavery has nothing to do with the modern day black persons plight. Do minorities have it better than whites? Yes and no. It really depends on the minority that you ask. My friend from middle school is on a full ride to UW Madison- because her last name is Rameirez. Funny thing is, she is not hispanic. At the same time- If I a Midwestern white person would go to apply for a job on the coast- i can guarantee you that i would get the job over any white/black/pink/purple person. Korea you live in Canada, have you ever been to Chicago? Milwaukee? Detroit? I go to school in Milwaukee the murder capitol of the Midwest (yes it has a higher murder rate than Chicago) and i can tell you from experience, that the biggest obstacle black people face- are themselves.
As a white man living in a middle class city in NY that has a 50-50 split between white/black. I must say I always found it odd that black people I went to school with seem to be upset that they are not poorer. There really is something in the black community that makes a vast majority of them want to grow up to be a gangster. These are not uneducated kids or from broken homes mind you. These are middle class black children that seem to want to return too a life of hardship and violence for whatever reason. It really is rather fascinating when I think about.
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Lol, that black studies teacher has a made up definition of racism.
Racism is discriminating against someone based on their race just like sexism is discrimination based on sex. And lol at him assuming only white people has power in today's society(since he says only white ppl are racist) as the United States just got a new president and considering how many big name Hollywood producers and actors are black(there's quite a few big name CEOs as well) and more than half of the hip-hop, and rap industry that are run by black people.
It just seems to me like he didn't get where he wanted to in life, and so he's using the colour of his skin as an excuse. Anyone can be racist and to teach his students that because they are black, they have an immunity from being a racist(irony), makes your prof. a racist douche.
BTW, when a group of minority people insinuate a white person is treating them unfairly based on colour, the white person's reputation will drop like a rock and people will isolate him(I think that's power).
On a semi-related note on discrimination, I hate it when "ganstas" and rappers hate on police officers because they go after them. If you are gonna dress like a gangster, when being a gangster is illegal, and when gangsters often play a hand in drugs, guns, and violence, I'd want the police on your ass as well. If you don't want to be discriminated by the police, the first step is to stop dressing like a fcking criminal. I know some police are just horrible, but police on black people discrimination will decrease a lot when some people stop dressing like they're about to sell some coke.
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On October 28 2009 08:11 InToTheWannaB wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2009 07:10 Misrah wrote:On October 28 2009 06:46 koreasilver wrote:
When it comes to America I can understand the general frustration that many blacks may have because even now blacks are very marginalized by the system. Many whites may believe that minorities have it better than them because of some slight benefits that minorities may have, but that's just utterly retarded because many whites obviously don't realize how bad the prejudices against minorities are even to this day (most significantly, blacks). When I look into the history and society of America, whites seriously are to be blamed for the living standards of blacks, and the subsequent degenerative life that some blacks may be pushed into living. Obviously most people don't really look into it and give it a damn and find it easier to just simply blame the low level minorities of sucking the government of tax money, causing crime, and not working hard enough to become productive citizens. I'm not closely connected to any black communities so I don't really have an intimate idea of how some blacks may think of society and their position in it or how much beliefs may differ amongst themselves, but I can easily see how many, many blacks must be absolutely frustrated and angered at whites.
With all sincerity, most whites simply do not understand minorities. It might be annoying when people say that, but it's true. Whites really don't get it. So many whites think they solved their societal problems when it comes to race but they don't realize that under the surface shit is still really bad. If you really, really think minorities have it better than whites or even have it on par, then you have no idea what you're talking about.
edit: This doesn't really have to do with the racism discussion of this thread but the things some people have said in this thread just really annoyed me. Sorry korea Im calling you on this. Blacks are not marginalized by the system. Take my college experience- I had black friends who were accepted to a college when my other white friends who had higher GPA and SAT scores were denied. I know this as fact, because my black friend thought that it was rather funny and shared his scores with me. Affirmative action is a bitch, and frankly if you are a black person and can get out of college with a useful degree finding a job is not a problem. Whites are not to be blamed for the living standards of blacks. The only thing that white people did many many years ago was red lining. However this is a thing of the past, and is certainly not carried on today. If you want to point the finger as to why many black people live in delapidated housing and in poor community's, the answer lies within the Kennedy and Clinton administration, along with the actions of the community members themselves. Black people are never forced into that condition- it is simply a lack of education, and the lack of a strong family values. The black culture in America perpetuates the idea that the only way to succeed is to become a rapper, or a basket ball player. Education is never an option and being smart is not cool. The lack of appropriate values and the lack of parental teaching or proper morals is not in the typical black family. This is because of parents having children out of wedlock, incarcerated, dead, or having to work 2+ dead end jobs to try and make ends meet. It's no wonder why their kids end up on the street- perpetuating the cycle again and again. Black culture is simply a product of the environment that black kids were brought up in. The only reason a black person would ever be frustrated with a white person is if the black person came from a terrible community, and or had no form of education. I can guarantee you that any middle class or upper class black person has no problem with the white neighbors. It is always the lower class fools. as for whites not understanding blacks, i couldn't agree with you more. However enough is enough. it is common knowledge that this country was built on the backs of black people, and that slavery and the treatment of black people in the south a crime against humanity. the only problem with black people still carrying that baggage is that- i had nothing to do with it, my parents had nothing to do with it, and my kids most certainly will not have anything to do with it. The past should stay in the past, and frankly it's a huge copout when a black person pulls the slavery card. Because i can guarantee you that slavery has nothing to do with the modern day black persons plight. Do minorities have it better than whites? Yes and no. It really depends on the minority that you ask. My friend from middle school is on a full ride to UW Madison- because her last name is Rameirez. Funny thing is, she is not hispanic. At the same time- If I a Midwestern white person would go to apply for a job on the coast- i can guarantee you that i would get the job over any white/black/pink/purple person. Korea you live in Canada, have you ever been to Chicago? Milwaukee? Detroit? I go to school in Milwaukee the murder capitol of the Midwest (yes it has a higher murder rate than Chicago) and i can tell you from experience, that the biggest obstacle black people face- are themselves. As a white man living in a middle class city in NY that has a 50-50 split between white/black. I must say I always found it odd that black people I went to school with seem to be upset that they are not poorer. There really is something in the black community that makes a vast majority of them want to grow up to be a gangster. These are not uneducated kids or from broken homes mind you. These are middle class black children that seem to want to return too a life of hardship and violence for whatever reason. It really is rather fascinating when I think about.
I don't think they'd feel that way if confronted with the genuine reality. I think it's just that the 'ideal' of the gangster/pimp has become embedded in much of black american culture. Possibly because these were the first kinds of people to exhibit (or rather, flaunt for all to see) money and power in poor communities where life was rough. Then it just exploded in a weird cultural phenomenon. Kind of like how poker caught on in the sc community! :p
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in my limited experience Ive found black people to be much less accepting of other races than white people.
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On October 28 2009 05:32 Vharox wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2009 05:32 Ingenol wrote:
Having a class on "black studies" is racist. ya. I wonder what a white studies class would be like.
Probably really racist.
This girl is wrong, racism is discrimination by any race against any other, simple as that.
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This is kind of thread that gives me faith in the TL community.
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On October 28 2009 08:15 Freyr wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2009 08:11 InToTheWannaB wrote:On October 28 2009 07:10 Misrah wrote:On October 28 2009 06:46 koreasilver wrote:
When it comes to America I can understand the general frustration that many blacks may have because even now blacks are very marginalized by the system. Many whites may believe that minorities have it better than them because of some slight benefits that minorities may have, but that's just utterly retarded because many whites obviously don't realize how bad the prejudices against minorities are even to this day (most significantly, blacks). When I look into the history and society of America, whites seriously are to be blamed for the living standards of blacks, and the subsequent degenerative life that some blacks may be pushed into living. Obviously most people don't really look into it and give it a damn and find it easier to just simply blame the low level minorities of sucking the government of tax money, causing crime, and not working hard enough to become productive citizens. I'm not closely connected to any black communities so I don't really have an intimate idea of how some blacks may think of society and their position in it or how much beliefs may differ amongst themselves, but I can easily see how many, many blacks must be absolutely frustrated and angered at whites.
With all sincerity, most whites simply do not understand minorities. It might be annoying when people say that, but it's true. Whites really don't get it. So many whites think they solved their societal problems when it comes to race but they don't realize that under the surface shit is still really bad. If you really, really think minorities have it better than whites or even have it on par, then you have no idea what you're talking about.
edit: This doesn't really have to do with the racism discussion of this thread but the things some people have said in this thread just really annoyed me. Sorry korea Im calling you on this. Blacks are not marginalized by the system. Take my college experience- I had black friends who were accepted to a college when my other white friends who had higher GPA and SAT scores were denied. I know this as fact, because my black friend thought that it was rather funny and shared his scores with me. Affirmative action is a bitch, and frankly if you are a black person and can get out of college with a useful degree finding a job is not a problem. Whites are not to be blamed for the living standards of blacks. The only thing that white people did many many years ago was red lining. However this is a thing of the past, and is certainly not carried on today. If you want to point the finger as to why many black people live in delapidated housing and in poor community's, the answer lies within the Kennedy and Clinton administration, along with the actions of the community members themselves. Black people are never forced into that condition- it is simply a lack of education, and the lack of a strong family values. The black culture in America perpetuates the idea that the only way to succeed is to become a rapper, or a basket ball player. Education is never an option and being smart is not cool. The lack of appropriate values and the lack of parental teaching or proper morals is not in the typical black family. This is because of parents having children out of wedlock, incarcerated, dead, or having to work 2+ dead end jobs to try and make ends meet. It's no wonder why their kids end up on the street- perpetuating the cycle again and again. Black culture is simply a product of the environment that black kids were brought up in. The only reason a black person would ever be frustrated with a white person is if the black person came from a terrible community, and or had no form of education. I can guarantee you that any middle class or upper class black person has no problem with the white neighbors. It is always the lower class fools. as for whites not understanding blacks, i couldn't agree with you more. However enough is enough. it is common knowledge that this country was built on the backs of black people, and that slavery and the treatment of black people in the south a crime against humanity. the only problem with black people still carrying that baggage is that- i had nothing to do with it, my parents had nothing to do with it, and my kids most certainly will not have anything to do with it. The past should stay in the past, and frankly it's a huge copout when a black person pulls the slavery card. Because i can guarantee you that slavery has nothing to do with the modern day black persons plight. Do minorities have it better than whites? Yes and no. It really depends on the minority that you ask. My friend from middle school is on a full ride to UW Madison- because her last name is Rameirez. Funny thing is, she is not hispanic. At the same time- If I a Midwestern white person would go to apply for a job on the coast- i can guarantee you that i would get the job over any white/black/pink/purple person. Korea you live in Canada, have you ever been to Chicago? Milwaukee? Detroit? I go to school in Milwaukee the murder capitol of the Midwest (yes it has a higher murder rate than Chicago) and i can tell you from experience, that the biggest obstacle black people face- are themselves. As a white man living in a middle class city in NY that has a 50-50 split between white/black. I must say I always found it odd that black people I went to school with seem to be upset that they are not poorer. There really is something in the black community that makes a vast majority of them want to grow up to be a gangster. These are not uneducated kids or from broken homes mind you. These are middle class black children that seem to want to return too a life of hardship and violence for whatever reason. It really is rather fascinating when I think about. I don't think they'd feel that way if confronted with the genuine reality. I think it's just that the 'ideal' of the gangster/pimp has become embedded in much of black american culture. Possibly because these were the first kinds of people to exhibit (or rather, flaunt for all to see) money and power in poor communities where life was rough. Then it just exploded in a weird cultural phenomenon. Kind of like how poker caught on in the sc community! :p
i tried to start a pokerstars account but they want a picture of driver's license 
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Im chinese and im racist :O
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Main Entry: rac·ism
Pronunciation: \ˈrā-ˌsi-zəm also -ˌshi-\
Function: noun
Date: 1933
1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2 : racial prejudice or discrimination
— rac·ist \-sist also -shist\ noun or adjective
it doesn't matter if someone is a minority, there are no qualifications to being a racist other than being capable of thinking for one's self.
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Too much of the typical white response is ignorant in this thread I believe - maybe you have an advantage getting into college - that's about it.
I have a lot more to write on this, but most white people haven't been bitched out or had their shit kicked on the ground on the sole basis of race. In class now, but the white perspective on the matter is absolutely ... uninformed.
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