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TLnet Poll - Should the 2014 season of WCS have residency/…

Should the 2014 season of WCS have residency/citizenship restrictions? :

Yes (7649)59%
No (3578)27%
Not sure (1809)14%

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Zenbrez
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada5973 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-26 05:20:39
September 26 2013 05:19 GMT
#1
I'm still undecided. Despite what some people say, WCS NA would not be better (for the viewers) if it was largely NA players. I don't think most of the koreans currently in the league would move over here for a year.

I find the current player pool very interesting, and would certainly not watch without the koreans and chinese players.
Refer to my post.
slowbacontron
Profile Joined October 2012
United States7722 Posts
September 26 2013 05:35 GMT
#2
On September 26 2013 14:19 Zenbrez wrote:
I'm still undecided. Despite what some people say, WCS NA would not be better (for the viewers) if it was largely NA players. I don't think most of the koreans currently in the league would move over here for a year.

I find the current player pool very interesting, and would certainly not watch without the koreans and chinese players.

Agreed, though the 2012 style of WCS was nice in its own right. If restrictions were imposed this time around, Blizzard would certainly at least have to expand the number of regions.
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Oiseaux
Profile Joined May 2011
United States676 Posts
September 26 2013 06:15 GMT
#3
I already know who the strong koreans are. If I want to see them I'll watch GSL. I want to see strong NA players.
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ejozl
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark3503 Posts
September 26 2013 07:00 GMT
#4
I think that's too hard a restriction, having DeMusliM earn the same money as Soulkey in prize pool, seems a bit strange.
And would China&SEA then still be part of America?
I think a better restriction is just that on the day the player needs to be in the country, this would stop the latency issues along with Koreans just being everywhere at once. Maybe even have the offline part be a bigger part of the tournament instead of just the top 16 of the premier division.
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BreAKerTV
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Taiwan1658 Posts
September 26 2013 07:39 GMT
#5
This will require the opening of a fourth region that takes regions that are not the popularly conceived "European", "North American" and "Korean" circuits.

The best thing to do now is just open a fourth region that is open for everyone from Iran to New Zealand.
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JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
September 26 2013 08:47 GMT
#6
Voted for not sure, because there are other factors need to be considered. I mean if there was a residency requirement, then...

a) Would WCS NA have the same prize pool than WCS KOR or WCS EU?
b) What about the players from China and Australia?
Sjokola
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands800 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-26 08:53:09
September 26 2013 08:51 GMT
#7
I want to see local heroes. It's what works for sports. Rooting for your home town. We need stories and players who we can relate to. It will also boost mostly the American scene.

Edit: Players from none of the regions should be allowed to choose where they want to play.
MuMeise
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany81 Posts
September 26 2013 09:15 GMT
#8
It definitly should have residency check. Not citizenship though. Guys like MC living in germany, or ForGG livin in France should be able to participate in WCS EU.

Guys like MVP though who just arrive the day before the live shows should no longer participate or they should actually live in the EU.
I don't like the attitude to play in WCS EU because it's EZ like they say.

Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
September 26 2013 09:39 GMT
#9
No don't care option?
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KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
September 26 2013 10:06 GMT
#10
Not sure. I would never watch NA, and probably never watch EU either. The prize pools would have to be changed, I don't see why the NA winner would get the same as KR winner, for example.
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Gaius Baltar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States449 Posts
September 26 2013 10:32 GMT
#11
I was originally a supporter of the idea that sprinkling Koreans across the globe would up the ante for the Americans and Europeans. Now I don't even tune in to WCS NA or EU after the local heroes have been knocked out. When I want to watch a Korean win the GSL, I watch the GSL. Somehow Korean champions in NA and EU feel like glorified Code A champs.
Cyroch
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Germany45 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-26 10:45:08
September 26 2013 10:44 GMT
#12
Not sure. On the one hand, it would be good to get region locks, as then we would be excited about the 'once a year' clash of Koreans and foreigners. Now, it's like Blizzcon will feature the same Matches as any ordinary wcs game anyways.
On the other hand I see a few potential problems with the lock:

1. If foreigners would only play amongst themselves for the whole year, I think it is possible to see an overall decrease in foreign skill. Right now I would carefully say that there are a few foreign player who can cause upsets against good Koreans on a regular basis and some who are on the brink of getting there.

2. While I would probably still watch my local WCS (EU) and Korea, I would most probably stop watching NA, just because I'm just not related enough to that region. Assuming I am not the only one who feels like that, this could lead to a decrease in viewers for the foreign regions. And let's be honest, they aren't that high anyway right now.

In General, I think that a region lock would not tackle the main problem WCS has IMO. The oversaturation of tournaments going on. Right after each PL, challenger starts right up again. Sometimes having WCS streams 5 days a week. It is too much in my opinion. I just don't get that pumped for tournament days anymore.
The point of quotations is that one can use another's words to be insulting.
thimius
Profile Joined May 2012
Sweden29 Posts
September 26 2013 11:38 GMT
#13
On September 26 2013 15:15 Oiseaux wrote:
I already know who the strong koreans are. If I want to see them I'll watch GSL. I want to see strong NA players.


Do you also think its fair that Kane, Goswser and Demuslim could end up winning the same prize money as say...Soulkey, Jaedong, Innovation, Rain and any other of the 50 koreany players that are ACTUALLY better players than the American ones? BEcause if they were to create a region lock, the code A of korea should actually have a higher prize pool than the american premier one, it's sad to say, but it's actually the truth...
Elite_
Profile Joined June 2012
United States4259 Posts
September 26 2013 12:09 GMT
#14
In my opinion, absolutely not. TaeJa vs. INnoVation wouldn't have happened if it was region locked.

It might be good for the foreign players if it was region locked but it would only mean that they'll be wrecked at the season finals by Koreans instead of Premier League which lessens the value of the games for the viewers at later stages of the tournament.

I mean what's more important? Seeing your favorite foreign players do well in Premier League and getting bopped by Koreans at the season finals or seeing the best games between the best players at season finals and BlizzCon? ~_~
pNRG
Profile Joined February 2012
United States333 Posts
September 26 2013 12:15 GMT
#15
Yes they should do a residency lock. Why is the league named WCS NORTH AMERICA and made up of all residents of ASIA? It's because they are simply abusing the system to get an easier ride into season finals / wcs points. Why even have regions if you allow anyone from anywhere to join any "region?" Just make it one giant league if that's the case...
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BraveProbe
Profile Joined October 2011
36 Posts
September 26 2013 14:23 GMT
#16
Not having big name Koreans would make me lose interest in WCS EU and WCS NA (I don't think I'd even watch WCS NA). As some have mentioned above, although I'd love to see some of my favorite foreigners do well I'm ultimately watching SC2 for the games and those are usually played by great players (who elevate the play of their opponent as well).
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eonrulz
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom225 Posts
September 26 2013 15:19 GMT
#17
If there are more restrictive region locks, I think Blizzard would have to open up the SC2 tournament structure again, and allow for more big tournaments to occur. Go back to having GSL and OSL as separate tournaments, running on their own as in 2012. Perhaps then have a mini tournament between the top 4 players of each to decide who goes on to represent Korea at the WCS season final, rather than have just one big tournament. There'd be more space for Korean players (of which we can all agree there are more high-level players than anywhere else), then, as there would be effectively 64 slots in Premier, rather than just 32.

As it is, there's not enough big tournaments for players to make a name for themselves, so players are slowly becoming strangled and choked out of money. So they retire and seek employment in the traditional job market. More restrictive region-locking, without changing the current WCS structure, would only aggravate the situation, especially in Korea.
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j1nzo
Profile Joined February 2012
Germany367 Posts
September 26 2013 15:34 GMT
#18
i find it interesting the way it is now, but i can definitely understand the ppl who are against the current system.
however for me wathing the koreans duke it out is one of the reasons to watch wcs.

i mean think about it- if the best football/basketball etc players were koreans, would we really wanna restrict their number and prevent us from watching the best play?
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Undead1993
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany17651 Posts
September 26 2013 16:00 GMT
#19
On September 26 2013 18:15 MuMeise wrote:
It definitly should have residency check. Not citizenship though. Guys like MC living in germany, or ForGG livin in France should be able to participate in WCS EU.

Guys like MVP though who just arrive the day before the live shows should no longer participate or they should actually live in the EU.
I don't like the attitude to play in WCS EU because it's EZ like they say.


i didn't hear a single progamer saying wcs eu is easy, except for huk.
on topic, that's so ridiculous. the skill of game would be just so so much lower. i don't get how anyone could think that would improve anything. i love it the way it is. and if we would have the restrictions and then only blizzcon at the end, it wouldn't change anything the foreigners would still get crushed left and right, i really dislike this discussion. i think it's even comparable with the globalisation. people who were in a country before think they should be prefered over the immigrants, but it's just not true, it doesn't help any organisation if they hire workers only because of their nationality.
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elmoDD
Profile Joined March 2013
89 Posts
September 26 2013 17:27 GMT
#20
I won't be watching WCS EU/NA anymore if the Koreans continue to dominate
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