WCSTLnet Poll - What do you think of Naniwa vs Nestea?
What do you think of Naniwa vs Nestea? :
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Grimmjow
Canada15 Posts
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tsuxiit
1286 Posts
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VoirDire
Sweden1847 Posts
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babybell
773 Posts
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ConRa
Sweden42 Posts
As a NaNiwa fan it's a sad day, he played really well and it could as might have been 3-0 after those first games. I hope he wins those close games next time. NaNiwa fighting!  | ||
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Massing
Germany319 Posts
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darkest44
United States998 Posts
However, I guess I can see how it might piss off gom and other fans/players so I think it was a stupid thing for him to do based on that fact and he should apologize, regardless of the fact that it didn't personally offend me. If you think about it in the sense that there are so many players out there who would kill for the opportunity to play Nestea or play on TV and it's kind sucky for them to see someone carelessly shit on that opportunity I guess it's pretty lame of him. If he wants to stay in Korea so bad he should be avoiding antagonizing the only company hosting tournaments there and follow their rules no matter how stupid he thinks they are, and of course should avoid pissing off fans/sponsors. | ||
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carloselcoco
United States2292 Posts
On December 13 2011 23:11 Grimmjow wrote: such a big deal over a match that meant nothing in this tournament.. Still means a lot for sponsors and teams though. Quantic and GomTV are paying Nani to play, not give up for free his game. | ||
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Pjorren
Sweden639 Posts
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Massing
Germany319 Posts
On December 13 2011 23:43 carloselcoco wrote: Still means a lot for sponsors and teams though. Quantic and GomTV are paying Nani to play, not give up for free his game. then they should figure out a system where played games have a sense | ||
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ComusLoM
Norway3545 Posts
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Candramelekh
Romania7 Posts
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x2mirko
Germany242 Posts
However, I think it might have been a better move to just forfeit the game before even starting it (i don't know if that's even possible/allowed) instead of proberushing - it would definitely have made a lot less of a splash in the scene. | ||
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tapk69
Portugal264 Posts
DRG won a game yesterday against an opponent that had no reason to win ( hero ) and then won another against MC that already passed and couldnt get 1st ... Blame the format ... No one likes to play after they already lost , i guess Gom wanted him to play because everyone wanted to see that game , but wasnt in the mood so he basically said FU with 6 probes... | ||
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Kreb
2661 Posts
Chose "Disappointing but no big deal" myself, will be interesting to see the overall results. Reason I dont think its a big deal it because its been done multiple times and people havent bothered 1/10th about it. Stephano 6pooled at DH when he was already out of the tourny. Idra has 6pooled once or twice, as well as showed a wide array of different BMs. Could probably mention a few more off the top of my head at lesser tournies/cups, and god knows how many times it happened more than that. The combination of it being Naniwa (who doesnt exactly have the best reputation), it happening in a big event (and no random online cup) and probably also beacuse its in Korea, where they suppesedly care very much about professionalism much more than in the west, just made it worse in many peoples eyes. But really, having player A throwing games against player B when player B's and C's tournament life is on the line (basically screwing player C over) is to me worse than throwing a game when it only affects yourself. It was disappointing indeed, and quite frankly pretty stupid. He really made himself a non-favor by making it so obvious, which regardless of whether it was better or worse will put him in much worse light. He should just have 4gated and everyone would have shrugged it off in an hour or two (EDIT: lol, just read the interview where Naniwa said the same himself :p). But making it obvious really doesnt make the crime worse, imo. The ones who have the biggest reason to be mad are probably his employer (Quantic) and their sponsors, since they use him as a tool to get their name out to the public, and he isnt exactly doing a good job at it. For them it could definitely be a big deal, for most other, I think not. Oh, and I really dont see why the game was played at all, or why there was no option to forfeit the game (assuming Naniwa wouldve used it had it been there). | ||
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MrMotionPicture
United States4327 Posts
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Vansetsu
United States1274 Posts
Even if you aren't going to waste/reveal your super secret timing attack, you should still play out the game. Even if you are tilted, you should still try to play a game. Even if you don't give a fuck about anything but results, you should still at the least put on a show. Why? Because your career revolves around shows, fans, and other interests. You can absolutely not give a fuck about them and still have some sort of symbiotic relationship, as douchebag-ish as it might be. But blatantly not trying is blatantly saying: "I honestly don't give a fuck about my fans that support me, I honestly don't give a fuck about my team that supports me and that I represent vicariously, I honestly don't give a fuck about the prestigious tournament organization that by simply existing supports the legitimacy of me even playing this game "professionally"(that exists solely because people don't consistently do the bullshit I just did). Indeed, it basically says "If I don't win, then everyone, including everyone who supports me, can go fuck themselves until I am in a position to win something again --- at that point please forget my giant FU and again support me monetarily or as a fan. If you can't think beyond the immediate "well he was out anyways derp" part of the whole thing, then you ignore the fact that great "showings" are part of what makes sc2 e-sports the growing, entertaining, and viable thing it is today. Of course it is one small incident, but small incidents are where precedents should start. Does this type of thing do any permanent damage? Not really. But it certainly shows what kind of person Naniwa is. It should also makes it easy to see that if all high tier pros had Nani's mentality, the sport would actually just suck to watch. I am(was) the biggest Naniwa fan. He really can be quite genius at times and show some remarkable play. But he is absolutely not a sportsman, which is also even more important during a time when e-sports are something that are trying to be considered "sport" in mainstream culture. | ||
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ComusLoM
Norway3545 Posts
On December 14 2011 00:41 Vansetsu wrote: While I understand the point of saving your best play for the matches you think are important, and that players somewhat "throw matches" in these situations otherwise, not trying is absolutely unacceptable. Even if you aren't going to waste/reveal your super secret timing attack, you should still play out the game. Even if you are tilted, you should still try to play a game. Even if you don't give a fuck about anything but results, you should still at the least put on a show. Why? Because your career revolves around shows, fans, and other interests. You can absolutely not give a fuck about them and still have some sort of symbiotic relationship, as douchebag-ish as it might be. But blatantly not trying is blatantly saying: "I honestly don't give a fuck about my fans that support me, I honestly don't give a fuck about my team that supports me and that I represent vicariously, I honestly don't give a fuck about the prestigious tournament organization that by simply existing supports the legitimacy of me even playing this game "professionally"(that exists solely because people don't consistently do the bullshit I just did). Indeed, it basically says "If I don't win, then everyone, including everyone who supports me, can go fuck themselves until I am in a position to win something again --- at that point please forget my giant FU and again support me monetarily or as a fan. If you can't think beyond the immediate "well he was out anyways derp" part of the whole thing, then you ignore the fact that great "showings" are part of what makes sc2 e-sports the growing, entertaining, and viable thing it is today. Of course it is one small incident, but small incidents are where precedents should start. Does this type of thing do any permanent damage? Not really. But it certainly shows what kind of person Naniwa is. It should also makes it easy to see that if all high tier pros had Nani's mentality, the sport would actually just suck to watch. I am(was) the biggest Naniwa fan. He really can be quite genius at times and show some remarkable play. But he is absolutely not a sportsman, which is also even more important during a time when e-sports are something that are trying to be considered "sport" in mainstream culture. I'm sorry but what he did put on a much better show than anything he could have done in his current state of tilt. And it certainly generated a hell of a lot more buzz. Not sure if any other non-final game has created such a fuss. | ||
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Fusil
Germany20 Posts
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Turboteckel
Netherlands35 Posts
On December 14 2011 00:41 Vansetsu wrote: snip I agree with this guy. There's no reason for anyone to spend money on Naniwa if this is what you get. | ||
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