I think people put korean ethic standards on foreign players in foreign turneys... and the people setting those social standards are wanna-be koreans that take everything that has to do with korea and put it on themselves hurrdurr I plaey sturcruft gotta listen to kpop and get really angry and stirr shit up and these bullshit things happen. blaekrghh it grosses me out.

MadNeSs

Denmark1507 Posts

December 13 2011 21:08 GMT

#82

When I watched it, the commentators where hyping the match so much. And was just like "yeah whatever the match doesnt mean anything", and then Nani just threw his probes at him, and I was like "ok I wish there had atleast been a match out of this... Oh well it's not like it ment anything.

Kaiwa

Netherlands2209 Posts

December 13 2011 21:09 GMT

#83

Should've just 4 gated imo..

Idnn

6 Posts

December 13 2011 21:11 GMT

#84

I'm just curious why all of the websites are making sush a fucking big deal about this

89733

Canada11 Posts

December 13 2011 21:34 GMT

#85

People are acting like this is the end of the world. This isn't much different than some Idras all ins against MC a few MLGs ago.

Atlas247

Canada318 Posts

December 13 2011 21:42 GMT

#86

Don't think there should be a poll about it, everyone has made too big a deal about it already

ShineOnYou

93 Posts

December 13 2011 21:45 GMT

#87

I actually loved nanis attitude before that match. Even when he was down 0-2 he still was super determined and focused. This kid has great attitude, its just that hes a winner, he wants to win badly, and when he cant win any more he doesnt give a crap.

ticklishmusic

United States15977 Posts

December 13 2011 21:46 GMT

#88

I'm between "Completely unjustified" and "No biggie". It was very unprofessional, and reflects badly on him and on his team, company, fans, and everyone that he represents. Moreover, as the top ranked foreigner, he should be even more aware of how much rests on his shoulders. While I understand his mindset to some degree, he needs to put his contractual and social obligations over however poor his emotional state may be.

Here's my analogy, which may resonate with a lot of students out there: you have to take the final exam for a class, which is going to take valuable time and a lot of handwriting. You probably won't get an A, unless you score like a 103 or higher, but you won't drop to a C unless you do terribad. But you have to do it anyways.

Or look no further than the Colts. Arguably one of the best NFL teams out there. Lost Peyton Manning, their star quarterback. Now, they're actually 0 for however-many games-they've-played. But it's not like they aren't trying, right? They go out there every week and try their damndest. And their fans know that and they cheer their damndest as well.

From a fan's perspective, I was looking forward to seeing a rematch of Naniwa vs. Nestea.

omgimonfire15

United States233 Posts

December 13 2011 21:57 GMT

#89

I understand Naniwas feelings but as a professional on a team with sponsors, this is unacceptable. There are 10 teams in the NFL that are already eliminated from playoffs. If anything, losing is an incentive because they an have a higher draft pick. but do they go out there and throw their games? The players know that they signed a contract when they decided to play for their professional teams. They represent their team, their sponsors, and their fans, and are out there to entertain. They still play their hearts out because they know its more about playoffs and superbowl.

Naniwa signed a contract and is getting paid by his team and sponsors to go out there and represent them. Giving up like that is like a american football team kneeing every play, a football player kicking it into their own goal, a pitcher balling it every single time. what he did was incredibly selfish and inconsiderate of everyone around him.

But for me, its not that big of a deal, his team should just discipline him.

Eineez

Sweden37 Posts

December 13 2011 22:10 GMT

#90

Naniwa is all about winning. If he has nothing to win, he is not motivated. I get why people are disappointed but if you are a fan of naniwa, you most probably know his personality already and this should not be a big surprise. I dont understand what the big deal is. Probably something to do with korean mentality and pride. "Do whatever you want in tournaments overseas, but don't think you can come to Korea and disrespect GSL."

Thing is, I think there would most likely be no fuzz at all about this if it was a Korean pro doing what Naniwa did.

MrJargon

United Kingdom158 Posts

December 13 2011 22:19 GMT

#91

I understand why its not such a big deal but lets just imagine for a second that esports was much larger than it currently is like other sports, one team throws a match because they cant win anymore... no its not acceptable how about for people who paid to see these matches should they get their money back because one of the players didn't think the match mattered?

Typical unprofessional naniwa.

bLzPostman

New Zealand82 Posts

December 13 2011 22:34 GMT

#92

Where is the, I DONT CARE JUST SHOW ME SOME STARCRAFT GAMES!!! option.

Krymming

Sweden38 Posts

December 13 2011 22:58 GMT

#93

I thought it was kinda funny, I even chuckled a little when he didn't try to micro probes but anyway I can understand him, who wants to play a game if it's "meaningless"? Personally I think all the drama is about it being Naniwa doing it, I don't think fans would've cared so much if for example White-re would do it (even though I doubt he would =P). Please just give this guy a break, in my personal opinion I think it's a bit over exagerrated.
Also you could see the matches in LQ for free so it's not like he screw over the ones who paid for HQ, just sayin'.

setzer

United States3284 Posts

December 13 2011 23:05 GMT

#94

To be consistent with past decisions regarding similar type of behavior GOM should fully punish Naniwa for throwing a game. Maybe this type of behavior would have been fine if he was a part of a tournament that doesn't care about player professionalism but GOM clearly does, even when their organization isn't definitively involved.

Fact is what Naniwa did was the opposite one should expect out of a professional player. It doesn't matter if Naniwa is a foreigner he is a part of the Korean scene in a Korean tournament and Koreans do not like this type of behavior AT ALL. There would be serious consequences if this happened in BW and in order for GOM to remain their air of professionalism and integrity they must punish Naniwa.

rumblen

United States14 Posts

December 13 2011 23:10 GMT

#95

I voted completely unacceptable. As a fan of Naniwa, I was very disappointed. He should have been viewing this as an opportunity to practice against someone of the highest caliber in an important tournament. Consider that after this, he'll be playing someone else that isn't as good for hours in games that don't mean as much. People play games that don't matter all the time because we enjoy the game. If I was in a tournament and went 0-3 and was playing the last match, I would relish the chance to try a new strategy that might otherwise be risky and put on a show for my fans.

xlava

United States676 Posts

December 13 2011 23:13 GMT

#96

Its part of the game. What naniwa did was no more offensive than a badly executed cheese.

Voted completely justified. Honestly, worker rushing is a valid strategy... just nobody does it anymore since it doesn't work lol

saltymango

United States120 Posts

December 13 2011 23:21 GMT

#97

It is completely fair if gom bans naniwa seeing as he signed up willingly for the tournament which had preset rules about this kind of thing. that being said i don't think it's a big deal that he did it and if he is punished it shouldn't be severe i still wanna see him in code S!

Labil

Sweden52 Posts

December 13 2011 23:24 GMT

#98

Not pointing out Naniwa especially but some players think they're kings of the world & blabla with their mediocre salaries and the hours they put in I'm inspired, in a way.. But they seem to forget the only reason they can actually pursue this hobby as a career is due to the spectators, nothing else. We want great games.

In this particular case I think it was bad mannered but nothing more, He's just very inmature & a sore looser. But thats the winning personality...

froggynoddy

United Kingdom452 Posts

December 13 2011 23:25 GMT

#99

On December 14 2011 08:13 xlava wrote:
Its part of the game. What naniwa did was no more offensive than a badly executed cheese.

Voted completely justified. Honestly, worker rushing is a valid strategy... just nobody does it anymore since it doesn't work lol

How is it a valid strategy if it doesn't work?? wait... I get it.

I voted unacceptable but am not going to rage at Naniwa, he's obviously an amazing player. But if you want to make eSports into a genuine, legitimate professionallly played 'sport' you have to have professional standards. Could you imagine anything like that happening in the traditional sports, where the league/tournament stakes have already been decided? No, the team/player would be fined. Why? Because part of being a professional sportsman is to perform the sport despite their being no financial incentive in order to entertain your supporters/followers who support you (both morally and financially).

That said I still love his game so all the best to Naniwa.

Eljyaz

United States17 Posts

December 13 2011 23:27 GMT

#100

I have the nagging feeling Naniwa is autistic (and I don't mean this is an offensive way). He seems profoundly clueless as to the consequences of his actions and how to properly behave.