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Chromodoris
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden136 Posts
December 13 2011 18:59 GMT
#61
I was happy that Naniwa threw that game. Everyone knew that they would not play their best anyway and a quick probe rush just meant that the real games started sooner. The games should not have been played since they were not relevant.
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Marzocchi
Profile Joined March 2011
United States58 Posts
December 13 2011 19:07 GMT
#62
Unacceptable for a pro gamer to do that? Come on... really?

Who determines what is "acceptable", and what is not, for a person to do?

Throwing a game is a players individual prerogative. And, since it has absolutely no bearing on the tournament whatsoever it's really not a big deal at all.

Had he thrown a game that would have affected the tournament and placing of another player... it's still his own decision... but the player who was affected (getting placed differently) could be upset.

Starcraft is a one vs. one game. Players play alone. They make up their own minds. The community can't do it for them... and doesn't have the right to. Neither does a tournament.

Naniwa, his team and his sponsors are the only one's whose opinions matter. None of ours do.

A possible solution to the situation can be taken from Japan's Pride format -- when a fighter isn't attacking, they are docked points and fined monetarily. However, this worked in the Pride arena because each fight mattered, where as the NesTea vs. Naniwa match counted for absolutely nothing.

It's equivalent to quitting a ladder match.

Move on people.
TheRooster
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden719 Posts
December 13 2011 19:10 GMT
#63
stupid but understandable, I would probobly had done it 2
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Trsjnica
Profile Joined April 2011
United States477 Posts
December 13 2011 19:27 GMT
#64
People paid good money to watch this tournament. Part of that payment was, for example, being guaranteed at least four matches from their favorite players.

Due to Naniwa, both Naniwa and Nestea fans got to see one less game from their player.
sVnteen
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany2238 Posts
December 13 2011 19:31 GMT
#65
not a big deal and i not really too disappointed since games that dont matter arent fun to watch anyway
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Vallros
Profile Joined February 2011
Denmark64 Posts
December 13 2011 19:34 GMT
#66
The format should not force games that means nothing, seems so dumb.. why would anyone want to see that match anyway? And would the player show any of his 'real' strategies in such a game? LEAVE BRITNEY ALONE!
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feanor1
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1899 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 19:39:10
December 13 2011 19:35 GMT
#67
Ultimately its like playing game seven of a series that was a sweep, or a game after it is already decided that your not going to the playoffs. There was no reason it should of been played. In games like that players still put their best foot forward if they are not super established because they know that they may not have a job next year.

You would think that Naniwa would remember that he is representing more than himself at least go through the motions though. How Naniwa handled the situation was very disappointing to say the least, but it was not some terrible act like the thisisgame article says.

Anyhow I imagine that this may be a tough situation for Quantic internally. I think Gom should of said that game has no bearing on anything and just not of played it.

Unacceptable for a pro gamer to do that? Come on... really?

Who determines what is "acceptable", and what is not, for a person to do?

Throwing a game is a players individual prerogative. And, since it has absolutely no bearing on the tournament whatsoever it's really not a big deal at all.


It is an individuals prerogative if they are only representing themselves. Once you sign a contract you are representing all the brands that sponsor you and the team that pays you.
Damnight
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Germany222 Posts
December 13 2011 19:36 GMT
#68
So much hate on Naniwas personality is outrages. You can´t tell somebody he ain´t a progamer just because of his behavior.
It wasn´t the right choice, and he should´ve 4 gated but still. Don´t hate him because of that. I dislike him because of his playstyle not personality!
ChuCky.Ca
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada2497 Posts
December 13 2011 19:38 GMT
#69
On December 13 2011 23:11 Grimmjow wrote:
such a big deal over a match that meant nothing in this tournament..

for like the 100th time it's not about this tournament its about being a professional
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Alvalanker
Profile Joined July 2011
United States253 Posts
December 13 2011 19:39 GMT
#70
Disappointing but no big deal
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Noev
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1105 Posts
December 13 2011 19:49 GMT
#71
Should be an option for don't care, he decided he didn't want to play anymore. He had a tough series and knew it didn't matter at all for either player.
DeuceStarcraft
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada60 Posts
December 13 2011 19:59 GMT
#72
Most people are right. It wasn't a huge deal as it meant nothing. But we have to keep in mind that eSports is getting to the point where the public is beginning to take notice. It's becoming as much about entertainment as it is about tournaments and prizes. If we want to be taken seriously by the general public then we have to act serious.

Would the UFC condone an offcard match being thrown by one of the fighters? No way. I know the argument would be that the fighter of an offcard has something to gain but I very much believe that if you're going to be in a tournament, whether the match means nothing or not, your players should give it their all. If not for their own pride, then for their fans.

I feel that Naniwa's actions of late give eSports a bad name, because we tolerate it and allow him to keep room these things with no repurcusions.
Dbla08
Profile Joined March 2011
United States211 Posts
December 13 2011 20:01 GMT
#73
@ComusLum: idk where you got those ideas from, other than your own pissed off mind. read the interview naniwa gave, he does pretty much apologize but not without mentioning the gross overreaction from community members like you.
fourColo
Profile Joined June 2011
United States363 Posts
December 13 2011 20:05 GMT
#74
Wow I'm glad to see the majority of people aren't overreacting. Actually maybe I'm not, nothing like a little drama to stay entertained.
Prplppleatr
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1518 Posts
December 13 2011 20:06 GMT
#75
On December 14 2011 00:22 Kreb wrote:
Good poll.

Chose "Disappointing but no big deal" myself, will be interesting to see the overall results.

Reason I dont think its a big deal it because its been done multiple times and people havent bothered 1/10th about it. Stephano 6pooled at DH when he was already out of the tourny. Idra has 6pooled once or twice, as well as showed a wide array of different BMs. Could probably mention a few more off the top of my head at lesser tournies/cups, and god knows how many times it happened more than that.

The combination of it being Naniwa (who doesnt exactly have the best reputation), it happening in a big event (and no random online cup) and probably also beacuse its in Korea, where they suppesedly care very much about professionalism much more than in the west, just made it worse in many peoples eyes. But really, having player A throwing games against player B when player B's and C's tournament life is on the line (basically screwing player C over) is to me worse than throwing a game when it only affects yourself.

It was disappointing indeed, and quite frankly pretty stupid. He really made himself a non-favor by making it so obvious, which regardless of whether it was better or worse will put him in much worse light. He should just have 4gated and everyone would have shrugged it off in an hour or two (EDIT: lol, just read the interview where Naniwa said the same himself :p). But making it obvious really doesnt make the crime worse, imo. The ones who have the biggest reason to be mad are probably his employer (Quantic) and their sponsors, since they use him as a tool to get their name out to the public, and he isnt exactly doing a good job at it. For them it could definitely be a big deal, for most other, I think not.

Oh, and I really dont see why the game was played at all, or why there was no option to forfeit the game (assuming Naniwa wouldve used it had it been there).


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Prplppleatr
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1518 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 20:11:22
December 13 2011 20:09 GMT
#76
On December 14 2011 04:38 ChuCky.Ca wrote:
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On December 13 2011 23:11 Grimmjow wrote:
such a big deal over a match that meant nothing in this tournament..

for like the 100th time it's not about this tournament its about being a professional


'Professional' will have a different meaning no matter who you ask. Obviously there is a large disparity in how people value professionalism compared to the koreans.
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sevia
Profile Joined May 2010
United States954 Posts
December 13 2011 20:13 GMT
#77
It all comes down to what professional players are actually playing for.

Do they play for the sake of being the best and winning, and we as spectators get to watch that as a privilege? Or are they playing for our entertainment, and whether they win or lose should be irrelevant to the ultimate goal of putting on a good show?

I think most foreigners (e.g. the Liquid` players) associate with the first viewpoint, while the Koreans associate with the second.

I voted 'disappointed, but no big deal.' Naniwa needs to understand that what he did isn't right, but he shouldn't be penalized for it. If it starts to becomes a trend, then yes, we will need to enforce rules against it.
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Caltu
Profile Joined May 2011
60 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 20:25:18
December 13 2011 20:24 GMT
#78
How many times after losing really bad and being disappointed in your evenings play do you just close Starcraft and do something else?
Naniwa did basically the same thing
He is a pro and should be thinking better about this but he just made a "rookie" mistake
Iksf
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom444 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 20:52:29
December 13 2011 20:50 GMT
#79
Im pretty pissed tbh, people are paying for these tickets, if everyone thought it was acceptable to do things like that we would have effectively been scammed for half the games
Latham
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
9560 Posts
December 13 2011 20:50 GMT
#80
It was disrespectful to Nestea but understandable. He didn't want to play, was on tilt and decided to end it quickly. Although he chose the absolute worse way to do that, though.
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