EPTWhat do you think of Naniwa vs Nestea? - Page 4
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Chromodoris
Sweden136 Posts
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Marzocchi
United States58 Posts
Who determines what is "acceptable", and what is not, for a person to do? Throwing a game is a players individual prerogative. And, since it has absolutely no bearing on the tournament whatsoever it's really not a big deal at all. Had he thrown a game that would have affected the tournament and placing of another player... it's still his own decision... but the player who was affected (getting placed differently) could be upset. Starcraft is a one vs. one game. Players play alone. They make up their own minds. The community can't do it for them... and doesn't have the right to. Neither does a tournament. Naniwa, his team and his sponsors are the only one's whose opinions matter. None of ours do. A possible solution to the situation can be taken from Japan's Pride format -- when a fighter isn't attacking, they are docked points and fined monetarily. However, this worked in the Pride arena because each fight mattered, where as the NesTea vs. Naniwa match counted for absolutely nothing. It's equivalent to quitting a ladder match. Move on people. | ||
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TheRooster
Sweden719 Posts
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Trsjnica
United States477 Posts
Due to Naniwa, both Naniwa and Nestea fans got to see one less game from their player. | ||
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sVnteen
Germany2238 Posts
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Vallros
Denmark64 Posts
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feanor1
United States1899 Posts
You would think that Naniwa would remember that he is representing more than himself at least go through the motions though. How Naniwa handled the situation was very disappointing to say the least, but it was not some terrible act like the thisisgame article says. Anyhow I imagine that this may be a tough situation for Quantic internally. I think Gom should of said that game has no bearing on anything and just not of played it. Unacceptable for a pro gamer to do that? Come on... really? Who determines what is "acceptable", and what is not, for a person to do? Throwing a game is a players individual prerogative. And, since it has absolutely no bearing on the tournament whatsoever it's really not a big deal at all. It is an individuals prerogative if they are only representing themselves. Once you sign a contract you are representing all the brands that sponsor you and the team that pays you. | ||
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Damnight
Germany222 Posts
It wasn´t the right choice, and he should´ve 4 gated but still. Don´t hate him because of that. I dislike him because of his playstyle not personality! | ||
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ChuCky.Ca
Canada2497 Posts
On December 13 2011 23:11 Grimmjow wrote: such a big deal over a match that meant nothing in this tournament.. for like the 100th time it's not about this tournament its about being a professional | ||
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Alvalanker
United States253 Posts
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Noev
United States1105 Posts
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DeuceStarcraft
Canada60 Posts
Would the UFC condone an offcard match being thrown by one of the fighters? No way. I know the argument would be that the fighter of an offcard has something to gain but I very much believe that if you're going to be in a tournament, whether the match means nothing or not, your players should give it their all. If not for their own pride, then for their fans. I feel that Naniwa's actions of late give eSports a bad name, because we tolerate it and allow him to keep room these things with no repurcusions. | ||
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Dbla08
United States211 Posts
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fourColo
United States363 Posts
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Prplppleatr
United States1518 Posts
On December 14 2011 00:22 Kreb wrote: Good poll. Chose "Disappointing but no big deal" myself, will be interesting to see the overall results. Reason I dont think its a big deal it because its been done multiple times and people havent bothered 1/10th about it. Stephano 6pooled at DH when he was already out of the tourny. Idra has 6pooled once or twice, as well as showed a wide array of different BMs. Could probably mention a few more off the top of my head at lesser tournies/cups, and god knows how many times it happened more than that. The combination of it being Naniwa (who doesnt exactly have the best reputation), it happening in a big event (and no random online cup) and probably also beacuse its in Korea, where they suppesedly care very much about professionalism much more than in the west, just made it worse in many peoples eyes. But really, having player A throwing games against player B when player B's and C's tournament life is on the line (basically screwing player C over) is to me worse than throwing a game when it only affects yourself. It was disappointing indeed, and quite frankly pretty stupid. He really made himself a non-favor by making it so obvious, which regardless of whether it was better or worse will put him in much worse light. He should just have 4gated and everyone would have shrugged it off in an hour or two (EDIT: lol, just read the interview where Naniwa said the same himself :p). But making it obvious really doesnt make the crime worse, imo. The ones who have the biggest reason to be mad are probably his employer (Quantic) and their sponsors, since they use him as a tool to get their name out to the public, and he isnt exactly doing a good job at it. For them it could definitely be a big deal, for most other, I think not. Oh, and I really dont see why the game was played at all, or why there was no option to forfeit the game (assuming Naniwa wouldve used it had it been there). Sigh, why cant i be better at posts..lol GREAT JOB...agreed. | ||
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Prplppleatr
United States1518 Posts
On December 14 2011 04:38 ChuCky.Ca wrote: for like the 100th time it's not about this tournament its about being a professional 'Professional' will have a different meaning no matter who you ask. Obviously there is a large disparity in how people value professionalism compared to the koreans. | ||
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sevia
United States954 Posts
Do they play for the sake of being the best and winning, and we as spectators get to watch that as a privilege? Or are they playing for our entertainment, and whether they win or lose should be irrelevant to the ultimate goal of putting on a good show? I think most foreigners (e.g. the Liquid` players) associate with the first viewpoint, while the Koreans associate with the second. I voted 'disappointed, but no big deal.' Naniwa needs to understand that what he did isn't right, but he shouldn't be penalized for it. If it starts to becomes a trend, then yes, we will need to enforce rules against it. | ||
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Caltu
60 Posts
Naniwa did basically the same thing He is a pro and should be thinking better about this but he just made a "rookie" mistake | ||
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Iksf
United Kingdom444 Posts
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Latham
9564 Posts
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