Unacceptable. I understand his reasoning, but I don't agree with it. As a professional, you simply don't throw any games unless there's something wrong with you e.g. sick, need to take a shit. Have a little pride. As people have stated, when you make decisions on a professional level, you don't just look at it from a self-centered point of view (oh I'm tired, oh I get no money from this match). There's the fans, your team, your sponsors, the media. You may not give a shit about those things, but it comes with the territory. If you care about support from others and pleasant relationships with companies and events, you best to act professional. At least practice a cheese build versus a korean pro live...

purpose

Sweden1017 Posts

December 14 2011 06:58 GMT

#122

Naniwa play sc2 to win, not to entertain like Incontrol. So Naniwa does not have to do anything for anyone exept himself. His sponsors and team suport him because he is a good player that they expect to do good result. If anything is hurting Naniwa it is not performing and that game had absolutelly nothing to do with that since it would not have changed the standings.

People need to calm down and understand that they are not the center of esport and that the players are not doing what they do only do amuse and entertain the fans. Sure there are people who do that but the top players play to win and it is the competative gaming that made esport what it is. Not going out and playing a worthless game for no reason other then to make a few people not cry!

Havik_

United States5585 Posts

December 14 2011 07:48 GMT

#123

I honestly think people are way overreacting. I don't see the big deal.

Tuxedo

United States134 Posts

December 14 2011 07:50 GMT

#124

ha most people think its not big deal. I'm glad most people think that way.

Sayer

United States403 Posts

December 14 2011 08:05 GMT

#125

lol the poll is very divided.
disappointed but no big deal. He wont do it again. Let it go.

MasterTom

Netherlands12 Posts

December 14 2011 08:22 GMT

#126

Love Naniwa's attitude... such a baller... such a great asset to our StarCraft 2 scene.

Sinensis

United States2513 Posts

December 14 2011 08:37 GMT

#127

Completely unacceptable and disrespectful to any fans he had, his team, and the GSL. Don't really understand how you could view it any other way. I hope someone chews him out good for this.

There are many up and coming pros that would give non vital limbs just to be in the booth.

Casablancas

Denmark145 Posts

December 14 2011 09:37 GMT

#128

I always cheers for foreigners, expecially in GSL. And I find the games more interesting when a foreigner is involved, but if nothing is at stake I dont care tbh. That would be like watching them stream ladder, which I know you can learn from but it doesnt entertain me.

Like the games for 7 and 8 place at MLG when Idra forfeited that game, and there were even something on the line (for the other player (Haypro?) and his seeding rivals. Im not even sure if MLG would have showen that game on stream, maybe the off streams. But it just isnt interesting.

Saethwyr

United Kingdom18 Posts

December 14 2011 10:06 GMT

#129

Disappointing as i think a lot of people wanted to watch a decent game "for pride".

I can understand his feelings as to why he did it though, he is a fiercely competitive player and doesn't want to play a match on stage that is essentially worthless.

I think most players wouldn't have thrown the match however.
I also reckon a few would have tried to put on a bit of a show for the fans by doing something slightly wacky.

News on his punishment:
+ Show Spoiler +

also dApollo just tweeted Naniwa is banned for GSL January

Tortious_Tortoise

United States944 Posts

December 14 2011 10:22 GMT

#130

at least QxG isn't going to take that big a hit for this-- NaNi's been team-hopping so much recently that he's getting his own brand-recognition, so Quantic won't suffer too much imo.

Stamper

Germany148 Posts

December 14 2011 10:36 GMT

#131

I want another option. "Disappointing, unnecessary and completely idiotic."

gabbegubbe

Sweden67 Posts

December 14 2011 10:37 GMT

#132

Sponsors and ppl who subscribe wont pay for that. That means less pricemoney and less good players attending. Not Ok according to me.

Sithril

Slovakia169 Posts

December 14 2011 10:59 GMT

#133

This may be selfish of me, but I'd be interested in a pool about peoples reaction to GOMs ban(for 1season, and revoking his code S spot) againts Naniwa.

kirdie

Germany221 Posts

December 14 2011 11:04 GMT

#134

I think the reaction is totally stupid. If there is no rule against probe rushes then they have no reason to ban him...
Next time they want to ban someone for a 6 pool or proxy gate or what?

Darkhorse

United States23455 Posts

December 14 2011 11:56 GMT

#135

I feel this is partially a failure on the part of GOM. I don't see why they would show a match with the people who had nothing to play for anyway. I really think a ban on Naniwa is excessive, and I don't think Naniwa's actions are a big deal.

nevercomingback

11 Posts

December 14 2011 12:25 GMT

#136

"During a match, a player shall not offend the opponent or audience with abusive behaviours"

if im a player and lets say bomber lands mules during battles and i feel offended, does that mean bomber is banned?

if im a player and lets say MC taunts or gives me a thumbs down and i feel offended, does that mean MC is banned?

what a joke.

Dougalis

Great Britain59 Posts

December 14 2011 12:32 GMT

#137

On December 14 2011 01:11 Fus wrote:
There was nothing stupid to it. It could have been a pratice game but not anything more as there was nothing on stake. And why let people se what strategy's you are practicing? ^^

this would be true if nani had any secret strats , but all he does is the same super duper greedy shit game after game after game, thats why his losing in korea because he refuses to change his playstyle and tournie players out there wont just let him get away with it. (apart from that leenock game which he lost cos of a number of mistakes /bad decisions )

hoburame

Netherlands48 Posts

December 14 2011 12:33 GMT

#138

What most of all the haters forget is how he badly he's moral was injured before going into the game against Neastea.

He lost two games that he actualy would have had won if he didn't miscontrol for a single second.
( not destroying leenock's pool, baneling nest and roachwarren or not being suply blocked when he was thor rushed. )

He had a tough bracket and got totaly humilitated. ( as he is a man with pride )

So, to me it's not a big deal but it does is disapointing.

ps: at least do a 4 gate ?

Zorgaz

Sweden2951 Posts

December 14 2011 12:52 GMT

#139

Really stupid of him.....

But not really a big deal

StUfF

Australia1437 Posts

December 14 2011 12:54 GMT

#140

No poll options captures my thoughts.

I understand why he did it but I also think it's unacceptable to forfeit a match under those circumstances.
What he did was totally wrong but I understand why he did it.