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There may be cases KwarK still gets away with things that others wouldn't, but in this case Magic Powers is the one getting away with everything and acting like a victim.
He said KwarK is racist for something he didn't say. Then he brought up an old argument from a different thread in order to prove KwarK is racist. Then he brought up another, unsettled, but at least until then moved-on-from argument. That KwarK hates him for being German. Why do this? To prove that KwarK keeps attacking him, even though Magic Powers is the one who brought it up again. The crux of the argument? That KwarK was accusing him of being a Nazi apologist. And he somehow snuck in calling me the most racist poster on the forum.
Without turning this into a side debate about any of those claims' being true or not. I have zero sympathy for Magic Powers and think he should just suck up the risk of being called a Nazi or Wehrmacht apologist, or whatever it was, when he's already calling so many people racist, and fascist. + Show Spoiler +Basically the same behavior, but Magic Powers thinks in one case it's over the line because he thinks the other party is incorrect, whereas in his own case it's necessary because he's personally correct. That's the envisioned standard. He's correct so he can do it, KwarK is wrong so KwarK is bullying him.
Now the issue of letting people turn the subject of the topics into gossip about posters instead of the actual thing the topics are supposed to be about is its own problem. It's not appropriate to begin with. There simply is no line now. It's not unique to KwarK, there is no line, there are no standards. You can call another user whatever you want and say whatever you want as long as it comes off as a certain kind of moral. LightSpectra has called me "stormfront" 5 times. He's turned it into the way he refers to and addresses me.
If there is a specific case of hypocrisy or contradiction, then you should be free to challenge someone on that. But these are just blanket bullshit attacks. Pages of posts become broad discussions of posters that are well outside the scope of the current thread.
You can't let that environment happen and then blame KwarK for not being dignified enough in responding to a personal attack with no evidence. If anything it's like the supposed reputation of KwarK acts as a prophylactic shield for Magic Powers, letting it seem like any unfounded character assassination that comes from him towards KwarK must just be reciprocal from him meeting KwarK on his own terms. And thus Magic Powers is given extra latitude to defend himself against the evil KwarK. When anyone who looks can see Magic Powers instigated it. And actually, Magic Powers doesn't need extra latitude because there's nobody who doesn't get away with doing the same thing he's done now against anybody else.
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You're allowed to back down and admit you're wrong at any point. The idea that you're somehow not a man or are weak is a lie fed to you by bad actors. If you don't like or don't understand why someone is doing something you're also allowed to ask someone to stop without being weak or a loser.
I guarantee you no one gives that much of a shit about each other in the thread.
Also if anyone's gotten preferential mod treatment it's clearly GH and that's before he revealed its all been a right wing troll job by him. He's literally been banned for cause and then had it reversed for no reason.
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On July 21 2025 02:16 Broetchenholer wrote:
Oh come on. You did nothing to defuse the situation. The whole forum was able to see that he dug himself in a hole and was not able to get out anymore. 5 different people came to tell him to stop it. Then you showed up and digged into the biggest wound you know he has. You did not do this to defent yourself, you never do. Because you assume that you never need defending because you are right every time. You did this to destroy him.
Like i said, there is zero need of defending yourself from an argument that everybody else has already told him was really really bad. If you hate being the target of vendettas, maybe stop posting so fucking confrontational. People sometimes make bad arguments without needing to be absolutely humiliated for being wrong. You either lack the empathy or the decency to ever recognize this.
Exactly as Serm says. He was always able to get out of the hole. At any time he could have said "ok fine I guess that's true", or simply logged off.
Instead he kept going, over multiple pages, with multiple otherwise-aligned posters calling him out on it. When "everybody else has already told him [it] was really really bad", but he's continued to quintuple-down while aggressively quoting someone, it's hardly a surprise when that person eventually tells him it's bad in more forceful terms. Kwark is... what he is, and he's not blameless, but there's no way MP isn't predominantly at fault there.
The only real alternative is to warn/temp him before it gets to that point, which is pretty hard to do when he's spamming out pages of trash in the space of an evening, and we have to wait for a nonparticipating mod to wade through multiple pages of slop and action it.
On July 21 2025 15:14 Broetchenholer wrote:
It's not about banning people, i don't want you or MP banned. I might want oBlade banned, but that's a different thing. I think we should strive to keep the conversation as civil as possible. I can understand why someone would warn MP for the behavior he has been exhibiting, because holy shit has this been stupid. I just don't think he can stop himself anymore. I believe KwarK might though. I have not seen him be unreasonably foaming at the mouth over something, if anything he is too analytical to let go of something.
If the goal is "to keep the conversation as civil as possible," imo the #1 behaviour that erodes civility is someone pooping out pages and pages of increasingly insane goal-post shifting just to avoid admitting they're wrong. MP is absolutely one of the worst offenders for this - he's almost impossible to engage with in good faith.
The debate is really between heavier moderation and softer discourse, or leave-them-in-the-cage-and-let-them-bite-each-other. The thread has tended to the latter for a while now, and honestly, that seems more sustainable in the long run.
An occasional temp for a long-term pattern of behaviour is still helpful. MP might even be in line for one, he clearly can't stop himself, but I'm not particularly nostalgic for red text in general.
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Norway28662 Posts
No, if anyone has gotten preferential treatment, it's several different people and you are near the top. (Serm) I don't think a single poster is more guilty of inventing opinions or stances among other posters and that, honestly, is the main area I wish we had moderated in a more strict and stringent manner. I don't mind the occasional insult, but claiming that people are holding positions they deny holding because you think you know better than they do is cancerous for fruitful discussion.
Wouldnt hold my breath expecting change, but this is where I wish we could see some improvement.
Anyway, the idea that GH is a right wing troll is fucking idiotic. There's plenty of legitimate criticism to throw his way, that is not it.
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Norway28662 Posts
As a piece of advice, I recommend both writing posts that go 'to clarify, what i actually mean is...' and 'can you clarify what you mean here, because it sounds to me like you are saying...' , and maybe if we get a little better at this, we get fewer inane arguments. Misphrasing yourself isn't a crime, nor is misinterpreting, and both are possible to undo with the slightest amount of effort - far less than is sometimes spent in some if the back and forths we see.
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On July 21 2025 21:32 Liquid`Drone wrote:
No, if anyone has gotten preferential treatment, it's several different people and you are near the top. (Serm) I don't think a single poster is more guilty of inventing opinions or stances among other posters and that, honestly, is the main area I wish we had moderated in a more strict and stringent manner. I don't mind the occasional insult, but claiming that people are holding positions they deny holding because you think you know better than they do is cancerous for fruitful discussion.
Wouldnt hold my breath expecting change, but this is where I wish we could see some improvement.
Anyway, the idea that GH is a right wing troll is fucking idiotic. There's plenty of legitimate criticism to throw his way, that is not it.
You are almost right on this, just you have a absolutely huge blind spot regarding your "fairness". The reality is you are just as biased towards the posters you like and do not like the only thing that makes you different than most is that who you like and do not like does not follow political lines. I've had to ask over 10 times in fairly short order for people to provide a quote of what they say I've said or think, not a single one has, never have you stepped in. And this is not unique to me, there are plenty of us on your shit list. On the other hand your golden boys get non stop protection because you have decided they are being picked on in spite of them constantly picking fights and often being the bigger dicks.
Overall I'm OK with this no moderation style in the sense that it is more fair , but the quality of discussion is sure the shit. It is more often than not a bunch of shitty one liners and attempted gotcha's with people talking about what they think some one really means rather then what they want and then an argument about the clarification is actually a lie.
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so if were all agreeing that the new meta lax moderation is the way forward can i start flaming people for being retarded now? bring back the golden 2000s era
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