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On July 22 2025 08:36 Billyboy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2025 07:42 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Tbh Excludos you might get a pass because presumably you've seen more of him in the Ukraine thread than the USpol thread. But even then you could look at the Norwegian political spectrum: Aiding Ukraine with weapons has had nearly unianimous support in among the political parties with parliamentary representation in Norway, all the way from FrP on the right to SV on the left. One party has been hesitant - because of their opposition to NATO and the American hegemony (not their support of Russia) - that party being Rødt, which I am sure you recognize as the 'considered most leftwing party we have'. The stuff you see GH stating about this conflict is stuff you'll see from internal discussions within that party.
Like for fuck's sake the guy has a blog called 'socialism, anyone?'
He's been posting about social democracy not being good enough because it still works within a capitalist (thus exploitative) framework for like, hundreds of posts over a decade? There's honestly no way to be polite about this - if you've read a lot of GH's posting and you conclude that he's a right-winger, either your reading comprehension or your understanding of political ideology is way off. Of course, for Serm, stating that he's a right winger is kind of on brand, as, as I just stated, there's no other poster more guilty of inventing opinions among his fellow forumers than he is, but christ. This isn't even me defending GH, it's just me being appalled. It's like, when Nicaragua initially refused to sign the paris agreement, that wasn't because they didn't believe in climate change, it was because they thought it didn't go far enough and was basically a path to failure. That's GH compared to the other american posters here. I do not really ascribe to the right wing troll theory on GH, I'm not sure if it is the horseshoe theory of politics or if just far right and far left are more susceptible to the Russian miss information because they do not require any facts or proof to believe things.The other thing is he condescending, rude , insults peoples morality, is not at all helpful to those looking to learn, and this is to basically everybody but like 3 people he has deemed worthy.
This alone is a work of art tbh.
Sentence 1 is condescending, rude and insulting.
Sentence 2 accuses someone else of being condescending, rude and insulting.
Are you trolling?
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On July 22 2025 09:33 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2025 08:36 Billyboy wrote:On July 22 2025 07:42 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Tbh Excludos you might get a pass because presumably you've seen more of him in the Ukraine thread than the USpol thread. But even then you could look at the Norwegian political spectrum: Aiding Ukraine with weapons has had nearly unianimous support in among the political parties with parliamentary representation in Norway, all the way from FrP on the right to SV on the left. One party has been hesitant - because of their opposition to NATO and the American hegemony (not their support of Russia) - that party being Rødt, which I am sure you recognize as the 'considered most leftwing party we have'. The stuff you see GH stating about this conflict is stuff you'll see from internal discussions within that party.
Like for fuck's sake the guy has a blog called 'socialism, anyone?'
He's been posting about social democracy not being good enough because it still works within a capitalist (thus exploitative) framework for like, hundreds of posts over a decade? There's honestly no way to be polite about this - if you've read a lot of GH's posting and you conclude that he's a right-winger, either your reading comprehension or your understanding of political ideology is way off. Of course, for Serm, stating that he's a right winger is kind of on brand, as, as I just stated, there's no other poster more guilty of inventing opinions among his fellow forumers than he is, but christ. This isn't even me defending GH, it's just me being appalled. It's like, when Nicaragua initially refused to sign the paris agreement, that wasn't because they didn't believe in climate change, it was because they thought it didn't go far enough and was basically a path to failure. That's GH compared to the other american posters here. I do not really ascribe to the right wing troll theory on GH, I'm not sure if it is the horseshoe theory of politics or if just far right and far left are more susceptible to the Russian miss information because they do not require any facts or proof to believe things.The other thing is he condescending, rude , insults peoples morality, is not at all helpful to those looking to learn, and this is to basically everybody but like 3 people he has deemed worthy. This alone is a work of art tbh. Sentence 1 is condescending, rude and insulting. Sentence 2 accuses someone else of being condescending, rude and insulting. Are you trolling?
I'm sorry that a well researched psychological opinion felt condescending to you. Can you think of a better way I could have presented it? Spoilered below is a AI generated overview, but if you would like me to dig up some citations I probably would. (this does not mean I think far left and far right are the same, if I did I wouldn't post this that includes the differences, trying to guess the next silly attack claim).
+ Show Spoiler +Yes, both the far-left and far-right are susceptible to propaganda, although the types of narratives and the specific mechanisms they utilize may differ. Research indicates that both ends of the political spectrum can be vulnerable to misinformation, with partisanship and echo chambers playing significant roles.
Here's a more detailed breakdown:
Far-Right:
Populist ideologies:
Far-right movements often leverage populist narratives that focus on exclusionary ideologies and hostility towards democratic institutions.
Anti-elitism and cultural grievances:
They frequently employ narratives that emphasize cultural grievances and opposition to mainstream institutions, creating fertile ground for misinformation.
Alternative media ecosystems:
Far-right movements have been effective in creating and utilizing alternative media ecosystems to amplify their viewpoints, which can lead to echo chambers and the spread of misinformation.
Examples:
Studies show that far-right groups are more likely to engage with and spread fake news, particularly during elections.
Far-Left:
Economic grievances:
While far-left movements may focus on economic grievances, they can also be susceptible to misinformation, especially when it aligns with their pre-existing beliefs.
Conspiracy theories:
Some research suggests that the far-left may be more prone to believing in conspiracy theories, particularly those that target powerful entities like corporations and the wealthy.
Echo chambers:
Similar to the far-right, echo chambers and partisan news sources can contribute to the spread of misinformation on the far-left as well.
Examples:
Some research indicates that while conservatives may be more likely to share misinformation overall, there is evidence that certain types of misinformation can resonate more strongly with left-leaning individuals.
Shared susceptibility:
Partisanship and echo chambers:
Both the far-right and far-left are susceptible to misinformation due to their strong partisan affiliations and tendency to exist within echo chambers where their views are reinforced.
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On July 22 2025 07:42 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Tbh Excludos you might get a pass because presumably you've seen more of him in the Ukraine thread than the USpol thread. But even then you could look at the Norwegian political spectrum: Aiding Ukraine with weapons has had nearly unianimous support in among the political parties with parliamentary representation in Norway, all the way from FrP on the right to SV on the left. One party has been hesitant - because of their opposition to NATO and the American hegemony (not their support of Russia) - that party being Rødt, which I am sure you recognize as the 'considered most leftwing party we have'. The stuff you see GH stating about this conflict is stuff you'll see from internal discussions within that party.
Like for fuck's sake the guy has a blog called 'socialism, anyone?'
He's been posting about social democracy not being good enough because it still works within a capitalist (thus exploitative) framework for like, hundreds of posts over a decade? There's honestly no way to be polite about this - if you've read a lot of GH's posting and you conclude that he's a right-winger, either your reading comprehension or your understanding of political ideology is way off. Of course, for Serm, stating that he's a right winger is kind of on brand, as, as I just stated, there's no other poster more guilty of inventing opinions among his fellow forumers than he is, but christ. This isn't even me defending GH, it's just me being appalled. It's like, when Nicaragua initially refused to sign the paris agreement, that wasn't because they didn't believe in climate change, it was because they thought it didn't go far enough and was basically a path to failure. That's GH compared to the other american posters here.
I'm not familiar with his blog, but it does surprise me that I've been able to misread someone this badly if this truly is the case. It's difficult to see what GH truly wants most of the time, but him arguing vehemently against anyone who is left leaning has definitively skewed my view of where his ideology truly lies. But as Billy points out, it's entirely possible he's just horseshoeing so far left he's ended up echoing many of the talking points of the right.
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I enjoy that three days later MP is still in full man-vs-world all over the other thread, and yet here we've somehow ended up arguing about GH for the millionth time. It's like some irresistible law of TLpol.
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On July 22 2025 16:51 Excludos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2025 07:42 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Tbh Excludos you might get a pass because presumably you've seen more of him in the Ukraine thread than the USpol thread. But even then you could look at the Norwegian political spectrum: Aiding Ukraine with weapons has had nearly unianimous support in among the political parties with parliamentary representation in Norway, all the way from FrP on the right to SV on the left. One party has been hesitant - because of their opposition to NATO and the American hegemony (not their support of Russia) - that party being Rødt, which I am sure you recognize as the 'considered most leftwing party we have'. The stuff you see GH stating about this conflict is stuff you'll see from internal discussions within that party.
Like for fuck's sake the guy has a blog called 'socialism, anyone?'
He's been posting about social democracy not being good enough because it still works within a capitalist (thus exploitative) framework for like, hundreds of posts over a decade? There's honestly no way to be polite about this - if you've read a lot of GH's posting and you conclude that he's a right-winger, either your reading comprehension or your understanding of political ideology is way off. Of course, for Serm, stating that he's a right winger is kind of on brand, as, as I just stated, there's no other poster more guilty of inventing opinions among his fellow forumers than he is, but christ. This isn't even me defending GH, it's just me being appalled. It's like, when Nicaragua initially refused to sign the paris agreement, that wasn't because they didn't believe in climate change, it was because they thought it didn't go far enough and was basically a path to failure. That's GH compared to the other american posters here. I'm not familiar with his blog, but it does surprise me that I've been able to misread someone this badly if this truly is the case. It's difficult to see what GH truly wants most of the time, but him arguing vehemently against anyone who is left leaning has definitively skewed my view of where his ideology truly lies. But as Billy points out, it's entirely possible he's just horseshoeing so far left he's ended up echoing many of the talking points of the right.
GH is a tankie. The far left dislikes non-far leftists almost as much as the right. Most of the forum is also on the left. So it's not too surprising that he argues the most against the left.
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Hey, the duck may quack like a duck and he may swim like a duck and he may fly like a duck but he has been very clear that he’s doesn’t want to be called a duck.
Also I don’t really feel like tankies even belong under the left umbrella. If you look at the regimes around the world that GH and other tankies simp for it’s not generally countries like Norway where the government has ownership of natural resources and stewards the wealth of the nation on behalf of the people, using it for a strong welfare state. Some of the regimes they support have leftist elements, but an awful lot of others don’t.
Basically the only thing they have in common is that they are one party states. If it’s not a one party state they’re not into it. If it’s a one party state then they don’t give a fuck how oligarchic, imperialist, capitalist, and socially regressive it is, they’ll forgive all of that.
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On July 22 2025 20:02 Belisarius wrote:
I enjoy that three days later MP is still in full man-vs-world all over the other thread, and yet here we've somehow ended up arguing about GH for the millionth time. It's like some irresistible law of TLpol.
I think this is the part where I'm supposed to go full Serm and point out how obviously Kwark is being anti-trans with statements like his about ducks. + Show Spoiler +
I used to get angry, now it mostly just makes me sad for them.
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On July 23 2025 02:31 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2025 20:02 Belisarius wrote:
I enjoy that three days later MP is still in full man-vs-world all over the other thread, and yet here we've somehow ended up arguing about GH for the millionth time. It's like some irresistible law of TLpol. I think this is the part where I'm supposed to go full Serm and point out how obviously Kwark is being anti-trans with statements like his about ducks. + Show Spoiler +I used to get angry, now it mostly just makes me sad for them.
At least you're not shaking the troll tag, and we should continue to never take anything you say with even the most remote seriousness. Honestly, most of the time I don't even know why you're here, because you've never had any intention to debate in good faith, and your attitude makes it certain no one is going to listen to anything you say. So what is even the point? Go on and live your life instead
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On July 23 2025 02:15 KwarK wrote:
Hey, the duck may quack like a duck and he may swim like a duck and he may fly like a duck but he has been very clear that he’s doesn’t want to be called a duck.
Also I don’t really feel like tankies even belong under the left umbrella. If you look at the regimes around the world that GH and other tankies simp for it’s not generally countries like Norway where the government has ownership of natural resources and stewards the wealth of the nation on behalf of the people, using it for a strong welfare state. Some of the regimes they support have leftist elements, but an awful lot of others don’t.
Basically the only thing they have in common is that they are one party states. If it’s not a one party state they’re not into it. If it’s a one party state then they don’t give a fuck how oligarchic, imperialist, capitalist, and socially regressive it is, they’ll forgive all of that.
That's an idiotic take and you know it. GH is not a simp for SA, Turkey or Iran, to name a few.
They have to at least pretend to try communism, even if they're hypercapitalist kleptocracies in practice.
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On July 23 2025 03:11 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2025 02:15 KwarK wrote:
Hey, the duck may quack like a duck and he may swim like a duck and he may fly like a duck but he has been very clear that he’s doesn’t want to be called a duck.
Also I don’t really feel like tankies even belong under the left umbrella. If you look at the regimes around the world that GH and other tankies simp for it’s not generally countries like Norway where the government has ownership of natural resources and stewards the wealth of the nation on behalf of the people, using it for a strong welfare state. Some of the regimes they support have leftist elements, but an awful lot of others don’t.
Basically the only thing they have in common is that they are one party states. If it’s not a one party state they’re not into it. If it’s a one party state then they don’t give a fuck how oligarchic, imperialist, capitalist, and socially regressive it is, they’ll forgive all of that. That's an idiotic take and you know it. GH is not a simp for SA, Turkey or Iran, to name a few. They have to at least pretend to try communism, even if they're hypercapitalist kleptocracies in practice.
The rule is non western aligned one party state so no Turkey or SA as you say.
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