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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On November 08 2016 08:59 KwarK wrote: Tired of being made to feel wrong all the time? No, because all you do is troll. You're not interested in real discussion, which is why you're an embarrassment of a mod. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
at any rate, xdaunt is clearly in the wrong based on his response to my post, wherein he states a specific intent to not look at the reality of the situation and takes free rein to be disingenuous instead. (note this is the kind of problem that has to be dealt with tofu, or else it breeds further problems). So I feel the matter is reasonably addressed here, and how the mods wish to handle it is up to them. I assume xdaunt will rant that my correct claim is incorrect. I'm not interested in discussing it with him since he's chosen as he has, and the discussion can not usefully progress with one who can and will choose as he has. I leave the last word to you xdaunt (on this specific subtopic, obviously i'll have other posts in this thread). edit: in response to stuff posted since I started on this post, you're the one in the wrong xdaunt, that's why you have problems when you post sometimes, because of the error you are making. but you refuse to accept that and cannot see it, so explaining is futile. PPS you troll a lot too daunt. | ||
KwarK
United States41991 Posts
On November 08 2016 09:04 xDaunt wrote: No, because all you do is troll. You're not interested in real discussion, which is why you're an embarrassment of a mod. All you did was restate your support for a "genocide or stay out of it" approach to war. I asked for clarification and gave examples of the obvious issues with that. You whined about it. Just because you cannot engage in a straight discussion with me does not mean I'm a troll. It just means you're incapable of winning an argument on even terms with me. Which honestly should be embarrassing to you given you're meant to argue for a living. | ||
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oBlade
United States5294 Posts
On November 08 2016 09:04 xDaunt wrote: No, because all you do is troll. You're not interested in real discussion, which is why you're an embarrassment of a mod. Oh, come on, what ever gave you that idea? On November 08 2016 09:04 KwarK wrote: Hi, The concept of privilege is not disproved by individual exceptions as it refers to broad sociological trends and not to the specific outcomes of individuals. Thanks. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On November 08 2016 09:06 KwarK wrote: All you did was restate your support for a "genocide or stay out of it" approach to war. I asked for clarification and gave examples of the obvious issues with that. You whined about it. Just because you cannot engage in a straight discussion with me does not mean I'm a troll. It just means you're incapable of winning an argument on even terms with me. Which honestly should be embarrassing to you given you're meant to argue for a living. I have great discussions with a lot of people who disagree with me. That you're one of the very select few with whom I don't have such rewarding discussions is highly telling. That multiple people have pointed out the obvious problems with your posting in this thread is also highly telling. And that you lack the self-awareness to see why only a troll who has no interest in having a good faith discussion would make the post that you just did in response to my position on the prosecution of war is the most telling of all. | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
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KwarK
United States41991 Posts
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tofucake
Hyrule18980 Posts
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
TL for a while lost its small community identity but some of that is preserved within the US Politics thread. There are regulars who post daily and offer their insight and views on topical news. On the subject of bans: Excluding someone from a community has to be considered a last resort option. You can teach, and protect with bans. To teach a person who shows a lack of civility that they should treat others like their peers. To protect other posters from someone who's only interest is derailment, attention, and belittling their peers. These "Oh they should moderate THIS GUY" posts do not help us as a community. They divide us even further. Instead of working against each other through the janitorial staff, please, work with each other to see through disagreements and respect each other as your peer who has similar interests even if your views oppose each other. Trying to piss the other guy off will not make you superior to him. You will win nothing. You will not be a better person, or more intelligent, or showered with internet adoration. It will just be another chip in the foundation of this small community of friends and peers. Before you ask for a third party to come in and force another person to behave in an agreeable way please ask them without bitterness or inciting them to act with the candor and respect they expect towards themselves. In particular, KwarK I have played EVE with you many years ago ganking random ships in my little dinky rifter you gave me and xDaunt I have been appreciating your contributions to TL for years. I don't agree with either of you on many topics but I still appreciate your views as a valuable insight that is different from my own. Please see each other as I see you. On the subject of the thread as a whole: I believe it was recently suggested that the thread should be pruned and replaced with a fresh one. This is an idea I can get behind. It is difficult to keep track of what page an interesting discussion took place on when there are thousands! | ||
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On November 08 2016 09:22 zlefin wrote: plexa -> I do not understand what your statement is getting at here, as my understanding of the situation is: there was a problem/dispute in the US politics thread, that problem was issues relating to posters' and moderation standards, the posters were told to take the issue to the feedback thread and did so. they were not trying to have a US politics discussion, but to clarify their case as to why it was the other side who was behaving improperly. No, they were behaving like children and continuing their petty feud in another thread. | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
On November 08 2016 09:22 zlefin wrote: plexa -> I do not understand what your statement is getting at here, as my understanding of the situation is: there was a problem/dispute in the US politics thread, that problem was issues relating to posters' and moderation standards, the posters were told to take the issue to the feedback thread and did so. they were not trying to have a US politics discussion, but to clarify their case as to why it was the other side who was behaving improperly. It honestly should be self-evident why that discussion was a gigantic nope that needed to just be killed before it continued. | ||
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tofucake
Hyrule18980 Posts
At this point I'd consider going Milton all over the US Politics thread, but that would probably not end well. | ||
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oBlade
United States5294 Posts
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On November 08 2016 09:28 tofucake wrote: I said to take issues with posters to the thread, not to split off and continue a debate on posters' personalities in feedback. At this point I'd consider going Milton all over the US Politics thread, but that would probably not end well. then I'm afraid I didn't understand what you meant. when you said "the thread" in the context of the prior discussion, I assumed that meant "the website feedback thread". hence take it (it being the discussion) to the thread (the website feedback thread). if that's not what you meant, then I'm simply not sure what you mean. what does it mean to "take issues with posters to the thread?" | ||
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tofucake
Hyrule18980 Posts
Essentially: stay on topic and debate points in the general thread, but do not argue about the poster or the points themselves | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On November 08 2016 09:46 ticklishmusic wrote: the magic words are "i already voted for hillary plskthxbai and i have a recurring donation set up which i will cancel if you dont stop bothering me". User was warned for this post tofu, are you serious? this is 100% what i told the callers to get them to stop. | ||
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tofucake
Hyrule18980 Posts
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
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