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It's really hard for me to argue against most of that last post without the knowledge on exactly what Gom is doing to improve their service, bugger :-p
I will say even with it's issues this season is streaming for me far smoother than season 1 or 2 of the sc tourneys ever did and I hope that now it's the weekend and they have the time to look at the backend without having to worry about being ready to stream in the evening we will see some progress.
Of course they stand to benefit from more views, they have already seen the demand and that they need to improve their infrastructure but you argue as if they are currently in a position to do this while not interrupting the current season, it's just not feasible. I hardly see it as unreasonable to for them to ask for support during the first run of this new season, the hardware has changed, the sets, no doubt some of the staff, the backend (including the new US server) sure they have streamed tourney's before but this is hardly same old same old to them this time around.
I have more arguments in me but it's hitting 2am here and i'm all out of caffiene (pity me :/) so I shall just leave this as you and I disagree'ing, which is cool. Not like either of us convincing the other
would change anything anyway 
Thanks for the conversation, always nice to talk with someone online and not see a single 'no u!' or 'it's this way because I say it is!'
Night mate
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And may you wake to an appropriately hot or cold caffeinated beverage. I recently decided to keep powdered caffeine on-hand for just such an emergency... I shudder to think of it. :p
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I'm still trying to find a solid argument against restreaming the free stream when GSL is capped or otherwise unavailable.
All I've heard is "you're not paying for it so you aren't allowed to complain," which has absolutely nothing to do with this. Restreaming skips the whole complaining step and fixes GSL's shortcomings. Their stream is maxed for large periods, even while 8000 people watch a restream, so the restream is hardly preventing them from knowing their servers aren't up to snuff.
There's also no money being diverted away; it's a free stream no matter where you get it. Similarly, there are no commercials on the foreign stream, which means no advertising. Even if they did get money from sponsors based on the number of viewers, the stream is capped -- they're not going to get those numbers, anyway.
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maybe they have it capped to encourage people to use the paid service? and going around their business model after they begged people not to use re-streaming is wrong? i dunno
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On September 11 2010 01:01 Brenbenn wrote:
I have more arguments in me but it's hitting 2am here and i'm all out of caffiene (pity me :/) so I shall just leave this as you and I disagree'ing, which is cool.
It's hitting 2 PM here which is probably why you fail to comprehend the problem many people have with such horrible VODs.
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Hyrule19260 Posts
On September 11 2010 00:46 Aeo wrote:
I'll speak plainly: The design of GomTV.net is such that many cannot pay for the season ticket. You're certainly right that if one doesn't pay for a service, it is unreasonable to feel entitled to it. Demanding that viewers pay for the service instead of getting it elsewhere, and then disallowing them from paying is likewise unreasonable.
Off-topic, but that's what Blizzard is doing to me. I can't buy an EU copy and customer support basically said "tough shit".
Seems like a lot of SC2 business is doing this.
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On September 11 2010 04:32 tofucake wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2010 00:46 Aeo wrote:
I'll speak plainly: The design of GomTV.net is such that many cannot pay for the season ticket. You're certainly right that if one doesn't pay for a service, it is unreasonable to feel entitled to it. Demanding that viewers pay for the service instead of getting it elsewhere, and then disallowing them from paying is likewise unreasonable. Off-topic, but that's what Blizzard is doing to me. I can't buy an EU copy and customer support basically said "tough shit". Seems like a lot of SC2 business is doing this.
Just buy a NA copy, register it to NA than email them saying you need it on EU. Worked for me.
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i would be for taking down the streams if the price to watch it on gom player wasnt what it is.
you can argue that paying the money will be supporting e-sports but the cost for letting someone watch your stream online would never be over a dollar, and having to pay even more for VODs? ridiculous.
i would be more than willing to pay for this stream if it was a reasonable price and so should everyone else, making taking down the streams reasonable as well.
i however will not support gretech for trying to get rich off e-sports. and neither should anyone else, unless they enjoy giving their money away or if their intentions are to share the stream with the world.
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On September 11 2010 05:46 Sad Hermit wrote:
i would be for taking down the streams if the price to watch it on gom player wasnt what it is.
you can argue that paying the money will be supporting e-sports but the cost for letting someone watch your stream online would never be over a dollar, and having to pay even more for VODs? ridiculous.
i would be more than willing to pay for this stream if it was a reasonable price and so should everyone else, making taking down the streams reasonable as well.
i however will not support gretech for trying to get rich off e-sports. and neither should anyone else, unless they enjoy giving their money away or if their intentions are to share the stream with the world.
Stream quality could be better, but you are paying for access to a sporting/entertainment event.
this event, is a month long and you will get approximately 75hours of content.
with their current pricing, you are paying about a $0.26 for every hour of casting they do. It is very reasonable... much more bang for your buck than any of the other premium tournies.
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I'd be fine using the GOM player 100% of the time if it wasn't broken. Last night, the stream was down for almost the entire night and only started working for the last set. I'm not going to pretend TLO isn't playing because GOM doesn't have their shit together
And what is reasonable about charging for vods when the stream is free? Foreigners don't all live in convenient time zones. The fact that GOM has the nerve to ask foreigners to choose between $20 and sleep pretty much convinces me that they are terrible, terrible people who would rather exploit the foreigner base for our money rather than than actively attempt to spread SC2 and e-sports worldwide
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On September 11 2010 07:09 danson wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2010 05:46 Sad Hermit wrote:
i would be for taking down the streams if the price to watch it on gom player wasnt what it is.
you can argue that paying the money will be supporting e-sports but the cost for letting someone watch your stream online would never be over a dollar, and having to pay even more for VODs? ridiculous.
i would be more than willing to pay for this stream if it was a reasonable price and so should everyone else, making taking down the streams reasonable as well.
i however will not support gretech for trying to get rich off e-sports. and neither should anyone else, unless they enjoy giving their money away or if their intentions are to share the stream with the world. Stream quality could be better, but you are paying for access to a sporting/entertainment event. this event, is a month long and you will get approximately 75hours of content. with their current pricing, you are paying about a $0.26 for every hour of casting they do. It is very reasonable... much more bang for your buck than any of the other premium tournies.
i agree but thats not my point, it costs nearly nothing to broadcast the stream to people, knowing this they charge 20 dollars and 30 dollars. WTF
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Hyrule19260 Posts
On September 11 2010 04:33 iCCup.Diamond wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2010 04:32 tofucake wrote:On September 11 2010 00:46 Aeo wrote:
I'll speak plainly: The design of GomTV.net is such that many cannot pay for the season ticket. You're certainly right that if one doesn't pay for a service, it is unreasonable to feel entitled to it. Demanding that viewers pay for the service instead of getting it elsewhere, and then disallowing them from paying is likewise unreasonable. Off-topic, but that's what Blizzard is doing to me. I can't buy an EU copy and customer support basically said "tough shit". Seems like a lot of SC2 business is doing this. Just buy a NA copy, register it to NA than email them saying you need it on EU. Worked for me.
I will try that, though it should be easier to get an EU account :|
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On September 11 2010 07:42 Sad Hermit wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2010 07:09 danson wrote:On September 11 2010 05:46 Sad Hermit wrote:
i would be for taking down the streams if the price to watch it on gom player wasnt what it is.
you can argue that paying the money will be supporting e-sports but the cost for letting someone watch your stream online would never be over a dollar, and having to pay even more for VODs? ridiculous.
i would be more than willing to pay for this stream if it was a reasonable price and so should everyone else, making taking down the streams reasonable as well.
i however will not support gretech for trying to get rich off e-sports. and neither should anyone else, unless they enjoy giving their money away or if their intentions are to share the stream with the world. Stream quality could be better, but you are paying for access to a sporting/entertainment event. this event, is a month long and you will get approximately 75hours of content. with their current pricing, you are paying about a $0.26 for every hour of casting they do. It is very reasonable... much more bang for your buck than any of the other premium tournies. i agree but thats not my point, it costs nearly nothing to broadcast the stream to people, knowing this they charge 20 dollars and 30 dollars. WTF
first of all its 20. and where do you get that it costs "almost nothing" to stream to thousands of people? not to mention they are paying camera crews and english commentators and countless other staff.
the bandwidth and servers alone costs more than you think, probably in the 10s of thousands of dollars a month.
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The only thing holding me back from paying that $20, tbh, is all the negative comments I have hear from people about the VoD, and that I have had so much trouble using the free stream that I do not trust the "HQ" stream. There are certain players I would like to cheer for (cella/tlo/tester) but at the same time the quality of the games suck in comparison to the last IEM, the quality of the stream is horrible compared to MLG, and quality of the cast is no where close to the famous Chill vs CombatEX....
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Braavos36402 Posts
On September 11 2010 11:53 Hikari wrote:
The only thing holding me back from paying that $20, tbh, is all the negative comments I have hear from people about the VoD, and that I have had so much trouble using the free stream that I do not trust the "HQ" stream. There are certain players I would like to cheer for (cella/tlo/tester) but at the same time the quality of the games suck in comparison to the last IEM, the quality of the stream is horrible compared to MLG, and quality of the cast is no where close to the famous Chill vs CombatEX....
For the record, people complain a lot more when there are issues. Not everyone who has the HQ stream working fine is going to post "stream isn't lagging," so there may be a distorted picture.
I have purchased the season ticket and the HQ stream is perfectly smooth for me, it has never lagged even once throughout all the broadcast days.
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On September 11 2010 14:27 Hot_Bid wrote:
I have purchased the season ticket and the HQ stream is perfectly smooth for me, it has never lagged even once throughout all the broadcast days.
HQ stream for me worked perfectly for one entire day and miserably on all the other days, so I've had to use the SQ stream. Obviously I wasn't the only one because there were plenty of posts on the gomtv forum.
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Aside from the opening day, HQ stream has been flawless for me as well. Although, I don't know if suggesting there's a vocal minority or otherwise distorted figure in regards to unstable streams is relevant enough to suggest that your $20 will go towards a smooth stream or not, Hikan. Could be amazing, could fail. I personally bought it for the VODs, which have been flawless.
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The one and only time I actually watched it live. I couldn't get in, the servers were inundated with people. So thanks to the restreamers, I actually got to watch. I can understand why gom doesn't want people to stream their cast, but sometimes it's your only choice, even if it's not your preferred choice.
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On September 11 2010 07:09 danson wrote:
this event, is a month long and you will get approximately 75hours of content.
with their current pricing, you are paying about a $0.26 for every hour of casting they do. It is very reasonable... much more bang for your buck than any of the other premium tournies.
No idea if your math is correct but it doesn't matter. I have nowhere near 75 hours a month to spare to watch Starcraft. I would be willing to pay a reasonable fee to watch a few high definition VODs.
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Hyrule19260 Posts
I have HQ. It's awesome and worth it. Aside from days 1 and 2, it's been great. Haven't run into any "stream full" messages and only a few seconds of blackness (stream will cut out for 1-2 seconds once or twice a day, but comes back just fine). No lag, etc.
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