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Nilaus
Denmark159 Posts
GomTV asked everyone (probably mostly directed at TL) to stop restreaming. TL should comply without hesitation. TL complied with MLG and ESL, so why are they not respecting the wishes of GSL. English commentary on Korean SC2 progaming is everyones wet dream, so why is it not obvious to support that. | ||
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Schnake
Germany2819 Posts
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danson
United States689 Posts
On September 08 2010 15:41 Schnake wrote: I think one problem is that TL cannot take down re-streamers, it can only prevent exposure. Gom has to notify livestream, ustream etc. to enforce their rights. TL has no business trying to stop restreamers, but it has even less business promoting the restreamers by hotlinking them on their featured streams. Just let the people who cant get GSL to work suffer this one out... GSL will get the negative feedback and correct the issues, they seem to be pretty adament about responding to the communities needs. | ||
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Aeo
United States113 Posts
However, although it worked fine yesterday, I'm now getting a 'Your input can't be opened' error. It says, "VLC is unable to open the MRL 'http://" etc. Has anyone been able to fix that? Edit: We are—or at least I am—sending GomTV the feedback they're asking for. They want us to watch the GomTV player to get an accurate count. Seeing as that is impossible for many, whether we watch a restream or don't watch at all doesn't affect their viewer count. The way I see it, it's more important to leave the feedback at that point. There's no way I know of to make sure I'm on GomTV's viewer count. If you know of a way to stream from GomTV on a Mac right now, I'm willing to beg for it. Double Edit: This is the email I sent GomTV's support address. I recommend anyone unable to watch the stream directly do something similar. If you're going to watch a restream, the very least we can do to help GomTV is let them know what problems we're having. + Show Spoiler + Hello, I'm sending this email not only for myself, but for many others attempting to watch the GomTV stream. Thanks very much for your contribution to eSports! However, many of your potential viewers are having trouble watching the stream for the following reasons: 1) Inability to sign in on your webpage. I personally have registered a username on GomTV.net, but upon trying to sign in, I am told that my username is not found on the database. I am certain the username and password I'm using is correct; I have double- and triple-checked. Several others I know personally are having this problem. 2) Inability to use the GomTV player. The GomTV player, to the extent of my knowledge, is only available as an .EXE file. This makes it unusable for those viewers who do not use a Windows OS computer. Additionally, many people have posted on teamliquid.net that their GomTV player is freezing or crashing constantly, if not refusing to play entirely or displaying error messages about firewalls that are not on. I—and many others—fully desire to support GomTV and their stream! It is the last thing we want to skew the viewer count by watching restreams that don't show up on GomTV's servers. If you can provide any assistance or advice at all, we would appreciate it so much. At heart, we're all just a bunch of fanboys and fangirls for Starcraft 2, and we want to watch a large and prestigious tournament for our favorite game. Thank you very much for reading. Best Regards, (My name) P.S. Although I made reference to Team Liquid in this letter, I do not represent the T.L. community or staff. | ||
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antas
Indonesia300 Posts
Still using facebook is really the last resort for me, but anyway it's working. I'm watchint the last matches today, and Gom player is working just fine, have couple of glitches but overall still OK. I'm sticking to gom for the moment, hopefully they just get better and better. And o yea, if they can fix the registration using email I will be more than happy  | ||
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Immersion_
United Kingdom794 Posts
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xBillehx
United States1289 Posts
On September 09 2010 18:08 Immersion_ wrote: What I don't understand is the 1k + watching restreams right now? Surely GOM is working for everyone this early in the day? It's actually gotten a lot better. I had 0 crashes yesterday, and so far today is running well. I'm fairly confident, however, that theres still a ton of people who don't even bother trying with the GOM player, and thats really just lame. | ||
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fly.stat
United States449 Posts
edit: I have seen in the other threads that gom's viewer limit is often maxed out. I guess people have no choice if that's the case. :\ | ||
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RobRoy2501
United States177 Posts
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Zenny
Canada34 Posts
In the end, I don't think we stop people restreaming, but TL could surely take the links off the site and perhaps even promote that people pay for the premium? It is worth it and it does help everyone. $20 is not a lot of money guys. Zenny PS I often switch over to the LQ stream to check out how it looks and I can ALWAYS load it. I have never gotten an issue, so I think people might be doing it wrong lol. | ||
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Jameser
Sweden951 Posts
On September 09 2010 18:46 RobRoy2501 wrote: Listen, gom needs to fix their stuff before they say anything. I have paid for the *NOT* HQ vods and the HQ stream and tonight was the first time I watched the HQ stream. It worked halfway through one game and now its choppy to the point of unwatchable. Right now I have it open and muted(so they still get their numbers) and Im watching a restream. Kind of a sad solution but Im willing to pay 20, I consider it more of a donation, but for the love of god I just want a stream/vod with enough quality to read the resources and worker count. I can agree with this, there is a lot to be said about the actual quality of the stream (I've also payed the 20$) and personally I think this Im willing to pay 20, I consider it more of a donation should be the attitude of everyone who cares about e-sports, I realize this is not reasonable at all but I wish people would at least have a little more respect for what the GSL is doing for sc2.. I'm pretty sure if the viewer numbers are high throughout this season and they can show the sponsors that this is something worthwhile then the quality will improve a lot and it'll all have been worth it, I wish people would be more supportive of this great event that's all ;/ | ||
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banana
Netherlands1189 Posts
GSL free stream is amazing, but currently even after the last 5 days, still has huge issues every day with viewer capacity. Even from the start, GSL was helped immensly by all the restreaming that was done by various members of the TL community. Calling out now to stop restreaming, and closing off quite a portion of your potential future customers is just terrible. Personally I feel they should promote spreading this tournament as much as possible, even if it's not easy to track the viewer ratings that way. I'd dare to even say, upload set1 of each game in HD on youtube. More exposure and availability now, will lead to increased number of viewers as the league progresses in seasons. Furthermore, proper service leads to increased chance that viewers will purchase their VOD or Premium service. I'm pretty sure TL will chose not to promote restreaming once all GOM issues are solved, like they did with other tournaments like MLG and IEM where possible directly linking to the sites stream. | ||
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Kaolla
China2999 Posts
restreams plx T_T altho they too are very laggy from china >_<; | ||
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Hikari
1914 Posts
If people find the need to watch a watered-downed SD stream then more than likely they have some technical difficulties themselves - or else they will just watch directly from the GOM stream. If they want to take statistics of exactly how many people are watching the GSL then we can simply write down the # of viewers on every stream between matches =/. I suggest that TL should include a link to the official stream at the side menu, while allowing restreams so those who just cannot get GOM's stream to work have their alternatives instead of waking up at wee hours in the morning to be frustrated at technical issues. As the GSL hits th ro32/16 I expect more and more people to watch the GSL, and I do not have confidence that GOM's infrastructures can handle the load. Those who work/run on mac also rely on the restreams. | ||
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T0fuuu
Australia2275 Posts
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Nilaus
Denmark159 Posts
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Hikari
1914 Posts
TheGunRun and MLG run very good streams for free. GOM's stream is plagued with technical difficulties, from gom player to lag. | ||
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xBillehx
United States1289 Posts
On September 10 2010 07:24 Hikari wrote: Not as many people have trouble with octoshape, TheGunRun and MLG run very good streams for free. GOM's stream is plagued with technical difficulties, from gom player to lag. The first few days I had some problems, but I stuck with the GOM player the entire time and haven't missed a single game. The last 2 days have been 100% perfect, no lag, no crashes. I realize some people have had some issues but it's obviously becoming less and less of a problem as time goes on. The only way for it to get better is for them to know the amount of users they need to accommodate and adjust things to work for those numbers. It's gotten better and better each day as proof of this and that they're really working on it. But we still have people who instantly go to the restreams (I'm talking over 1000 and usually ends up around 8000) before the games even start, not even bothering with the GOM player, so Gretech gets a false number they think they need to accommodate for. Mac users CAN use VLC instead so theres no excuse. iPhone users I think are okay to watch restreams until GOM gets their iPhone thing up and running. I think the main problem is that theres no official GOM link in the right for people to click. Instead, theres restreams. I don't think TL can really mod restreams, but what they can do is take them off the right. At the very least I think they should throw an official link to the GOM live page up there in a different color and encourage people use that. I honestly don't know why even this last part needs days of discussion. | ||
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Aeo
United States113 Posts
On September 09 2010 18:46 RobRoy2501 wrote: should be the attitude of everyone who cares about e-sports, I realize this is not reasonable at all but I wish people would at least have a little more respect for what the GSL is doing for sc2.. I'm pretty sure if the viewer numbers are high throughout this season and they can show the sponsors that this is something worthwhile then the quality will improve a lot and it'll all have been worth it, I wish people would be more supportive of this great event that's all ;/ This is a great attitude for someone who cares about e-sports. A lot of people would be willing to buy the season ticket, too, but are unable to do so much as log onto GomTV.net to do so. This also precludes leaving feedback in the forums—which is why I sent in an email instead. | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On September 08 2010 15:26 Nilaus wrote: MLG and ESL contacted us directly and requested the streams removed, we obliged. I haven't watched any of the GOM casts, so I don't know what has been said or what has not been said on stream, but I do know that GOM have not made any effort to contact us about the restreams despite the fact the have ample means to do so. We are happy to cooperate with them, but they need to open the dialogue first. This discussion has nothing to do with the stream quality, capacity or price. GomTV asked everyone (probably mostly directed at TL) to stop restreaming. TL should comply without hesitation. TL complied with MLG and ESL, so why are they not respecting the wishes of GSL. | ||
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