On May 19 2011 00:24 bmml wrote: Amazing how "pros" spend weeks talking about how MC plays risky and people let him get away with it and when someone finally beats him for doing so people start moaning!
oGs have always been crap in team league, the only match they've won in teamleague is where they didn't put MC up last, which they decided to do this time (perhaps reluctant to put him up against DongRaeGu) === DongRoll :O
DongRaeGu has shown long macro games and quick aggressive games. He has shown a wide variety of play styles.
All DongRaeGu did in this game is took a book out of MC's playbook. MC is strong with his early aggression that is almost never an all in. It's about time zerg took a step out of their base in the early game and didn't let protoss play passively.
I like how this thread is about maybe a rivalry between the two teams due to the antics and results, and ends up being a discussion about MC's game.
I think oGs is glad to make rivals, and I think MVP is the same after seeing the intros for Genius and DRG. I'm looking forward to see how SlayerS and MVP come out in the finals because maybe that'll be the true rivalry :D
On May 19 2011 00:30 xza wrote: oGs' decision making skills are interesting.
After DRG sniped Nada convincingly, they sent another terran -_-
Lol yeah, I wondered about that too. They picked Crossfire as the map, which is a great map for TvZ... maybe they thought SuperNoVas tank play would be too good for drg to handle?
On May 18 2011 23:57 Heavenly wrote: It's getting a little bit annoying seeing MC all-inned every single game he plays, then people complain MC is incapable of doing anything but two base plays or scream that he's in a slump. Then they act cocky like they accomplished something with a build order win lulz.
in the end winning is all that matters.
Okay? No one said that he didn't win, I said it's annoying constantly seeing all-ins against him and you shouldn't act cocky off executing the roach/ling all-in and having a build order win. If he plays in any way that skips out defense capable of holding a complete all-in, which puts him behind if his opponent just decides to sit back in macro, he is suddenly extremely greedy. If he plays too safely, he loses in the long-run.
Welcome to starcraft. when you're good, you're suppose to play safe and rely on your macro and decision making to catchup and win against your opponent. when you do what mc did, you lose with 2 zealots and 2 sentry's and you look bad.
Welcome to Starcraft, where if you put yourself at an early disadvantage by playing too safe in the early game then no matter how good your macro or decision making is you are still at a large disadvantage. When you don't do what mc did you end up with tons of units with no map control while the zerg is freely droning up for a powerful mid-game.
On May 18 2011 23:57 Heavenly wrote: It's getting a little bit annoying seeing MC all-inned every single game he plays, then people complain MC is incapable of doing anything but two base plays or scream that he's in a slump. Then they act cocky like they accomplished something with a build order win lulz.
What a ridiculous post.
Anyways, that was such an entertaining match. It just solidified what, in my eyes, is the best SC2 league. I can't wait for a rematch.
Lol, what was ridiculous about it? Was it not an all-in? Does he not basically get all-inned every time he plays in the GSTL? Do people not say MC is incapable of doing anything but two base plays? Did DRG not act cocky with his ceremony after accomplishing something with a build order win?
The fact that you completely discount his victory because it was an "all-in" is ridiculous and completely out of place in this thread. He was the better player regardless of any of that, which makes any poor comment by you irrelevant and pointless. He deserved to be cocky like he was, and I think it's something that adds to the game.
How was he the better player regardless of his all-in? The entirety of his play was the all-in. He didn't go past Dong executing his build-order, which has absolutely nothing to do with being the better player. It makes you the luckier player.
He was the better player because his "all-in", which for some reason you do not consider a viable strategy and ignore, won him the game. Dong didn't let him execute his build order. If MC had been the better player in that isolated instance of a match of StarCraft, then he would have been victorious. But, hey, he wasn't. Therefore he was the lesser player. MC was completely and totally outplayed and did not deserve to win.
On May 19 2011 00:27 GreEny K wrote: I have a strong feeling that GOM is going to start moderating behavior... I don't want them to, but I don't think they appreciate people punching their booths.
Seconded. SC2 is a very intense games that involves a lot of nerves. After a loss players can become very unpredictable, and if someone comes over and punches their glass - I wouldn't be surprised if a fistfight erupted sooner or later. Granted - Nerds can't fight and it would look hilarious for most people. And seeing two groups of unfit SC2 pros slapping and girly kicking each other on the main stage of GOM. I don't think I would stop laughing for days. But it would be unpleasant to the handful of elderly citizens trying to find the shopping channel website. After the reading the outrage from 3 letters - GOM will force every player to wear a muzzle and have both their hands and feet cuffed before entering the booth. Escorted by GOM security, of course. A new era will dawn in E-sports where the games remind the audience more of prisoners shanking each other, then about people playing video games.
On May 19 2011 00:27 GreEny K wrote: I have a strong feeling that GOM is going to start moderating behavior... I don't want them to, but I don't think they appreciate people punching their booths.
Seconded. SC2 is a very intense games that involves a lot of nerves. After a loss players can become very unpredictable, and if someone comes over and punches their glass - I wouldn't be surprised if a fistfight erupted sooner or later. Granted - Nerds can't fight and it would look hilarious for most people. But it would be unpleasant to the handful of elderly citizens trying to find the shopping channel. After the reading the outrage from 3 letters - GOM will force every player to wear a muzzle and have both their hands and feet cuffed before entering the booth. Escorted by GOM security, of course. A new era will dawn in E-sports where the games remind the audience more of prisoners shanking snitches, then about people playing video games.
I don't see why banning the ridiculous ceremonies, which have become common place in GSTL esspecially, is a bad thing. I mean from what I've seen they are worse than FBH's, which is a step too far imo.
DRG saw that he went 1 gateway expand, so in response he stole the gas and threw down a quick roach warren. MC played very greedy. He went 1 gate -> expo -> stargate. If he thinks he safe from attack with all that tech and money spent on an expo, he is just plain wrong. MC probably assumed that DRG would play macro style and you can't just assume things in SC2.
On May 19 2011 00:27 GreEny K wrote: I have a strong feeling that GOM is going to start moderating behavior... I don't want them to, but I don't think they appreciate people punching their booths.
Seconded. SC2 is a very intense games that involves a lot of nerves. After a loss players can become very unpredictable, and if someone comes over and punches their glass - I wouldn't be surprised if a fistfight erupted sooner or later. Granted - Nerds can't fight and it would look hilarious for most people. But it would be unpleasant to the handful of elderly citizens trying to find the shopping channel. After the reading the outrage from 3 letters - GOM will force every player to wear a muzzle and have both their hands and feet cuffed before entering the booth. Escorted by GOM security, of course. A new era will dawn in E-sports where the games remind the audience more of prisoners shanking snitches, then about people playing video games.
I don't see why banning the ridiculous ceremonies, which have become common place in GSTL esspecially, is a bad thing. I mean from what I've seen they are worse than FBH's, which is a step too far imo.
I never was in starcraft brood war, only saw a couple vids but did FBH actually hitted something physically? The only thing i seen him done was gestures and taunting.
On May 19 2011 00:00 stangstang wrote: that wasn't an all in. it was just an attack.
MC played very greedy and got punished. all MC had in his base was 2 sentries and 2 zealots. of course he's gonna lose to ~10 roaches and ~20 zerglings.
LoL. No. I think running like 10 roaches and 20 lings that early in the game is the definition of allin. You are pretty much committed into killing the nexus or you will be behind.
No denying that MC just chose a bad build to play against roach ling allins on that build. But after defending bombers marine scv allin he must have been pretty confident in his micro.
Yeah but there's not really a question of "can I kill the nexus" against one gate FE you are pretty much guaranteed to kill it so there is little risk with doing an attack like that. It's probably even safer than trying to go toe to toe economically against one gate FE so I wouldn't consider it all in.
Its just a little BM, losing one game doesn't make it a rivalry. Sure when this happens 2-3 times.
People jump of the rivalry band wagon far to much, its as if they are trying to create one out of nothing. Like people play once a lil bit of BM, boom instantly a thread on new rivalry!?
On May 19 2011 00:37 tenkka wrote: DRG saw that he went 1 gateway expand, so in response he stole the gas and threw down a quick roach warren. MC played very greedy. He went 1 gate -> expo -> stargate. If he thinks he safe from attack with all that tech and money spent on an expo, he is just plain wrong. MC probably assumed that DRG would play macro style and you can't just assume things in SC2.
he would have been safe if it was a narrow ramp, he had 2 sentries with LOTS of forcefields. but it was a wide ramp map. he should have known that and went with a different build.