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New oGs / MVP rivalry? (gstl spoilers)

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Tortious_Tortoise
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States944 Posts
May 18 2011 14:53 GMT
#1
For anyone who didn't see the epic throwdown this morning (for me) between Old Generations and MVP in the GSTL 3, it ended on a very bitter note for oGs (specifically MC). The drama began when MVPDongRaeGu sniped oGsNaDa. TheWind sent in a Terran (SuperNoVa) to take care of the Zerg who killed both NaDa and MarineKingPrime. After picking SuperNoVa apart, DongRaeGu celebrated with his team, and went over to the oGs bench; there he talked some smack and, with a flick of his wrist, dismissed the oGs team and their choice to face him.

At this point, the series was 3-2 in favor of MVP, so the natural choice was MC. When it was time to go, MC didn't waste any time; he swiftly got up, walked over to DongRaeGu's booth, and punched the glass, startling the Zerg, and showing how acceptable his little bm action was. During the game, MC 1gate FEs and techs to a Stargate on Crevasse to his pocket expansion, and DongRaeGu breaks MC with the 2-base roach/ling all-in style NesTea showcased in the Code S finals against InCa. By the time MC's two Voids clean up all the lings (who danced a couple of times before getting killed off), MC has only 1 probe, no nexus, and about 100 minerals. He taps out.

DongRaeGu expresses his happiness by exiting his booth and pounding his fists on the glass of MC's booth, wherein Min Chul sat, shocked and distressed at his loss.

I think the little exchanges of BM is enough to put a blip on oGs' radar, to say the least. MC, certainly, is going to love a chance to get revenge on the impudent liddle Zerg that all-inned him then danced lings in his base. I hope these guys meet in future matches, because, hey, rivalries can be good for the game.
Treating eSports as a social science since 2011; Credo: "The system is never wrong"-- Day9 Daily #400 Part 3
Heavenly
Profile Joined January 2011
2172 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-18 14:57:59
May 18 2011 14:57 GMT
#2
It's getting a little bit annoying seeing MC all-inned every single game he plays, then people complain MC is incapable of doing anything but two base plays or scream that he's in a slump. Then they act cocky like they accomplished something with a build order win lulz.
"thx for all my fans i'm many lost but cheer for me .. i lost but so happy my power is fans i will good play this is promise my fans" - oGsMC
stangstang
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada281 Posts
May 18 2011 15:00 GMT
#3
that wasn't an all in. it was just an attack.

MC played very greedy and got punished. all MC had in his base was 2 sentries and 2 zealots. of course he's gonna lose to ~10 roaches and ~20 zerglings.
KristianJS
Profile Joined October 2009
2107 Posts
May 18 2011 15:02 GMT
#4
wow, that sounds like some epic taunting between the teams, need to see these vods O_O
You need to be 100% behind someone before you can stab them in the back
stangstang
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada281 Posts
May 18 2011 15:02 GMT
#5
he also didn't even go forge FE. so he had no cannon's to defend. he went 1 gate FE and got punished hard.
Crystal368
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden161 Posts
May 18 2011 15:02 GMT
#6
DongRaeGu is a bit of a beast tbh. Looking forward to seeing more of him
|MKP|MMA|ThorZaIN|SjoW|SeleCT|
warcralft
Profile Joined October 2010
Singapore609 Posts
May 18 2011 15:03 GMT
#7
On May 19 2011 00:00 stangstang wrote:
that wasn't an all in. it was just an attack.

MC played very greedy and got punished. all MC had in his base was 2 sentries and 2 zealots. of course he's gonna lose to ~10 roaches and ~20 zerglings.


I agree that he played greedy and got punished BUT that was clearly an allin. If he didnt kill MC outright or deal decent amount of damage. He would be having 19 drones off two base and no lair tech.. Its an allin.
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
May 18 2011 15:03 GMT
#8
I don't think these kinds of ceremonies are enough for a rivalry, really.

It would have been much more interesting to see SlayerS and IM rivalry develop as I see a potential long-term rivalry in team leagues between the two. Shame IM didn't make it this time though. =(
Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
May 18 2011 15:05 GMT
#9
Kinda quick to make this assumption after a couple of games and a ceremony?
stangstang
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada281 Posts
May 18 2011 15:05 GMT
#10
On May 19 2011 00:03 warcralft wrote:
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On May 19 2011 00:00 stangstang wrote:
that wasn't an all in. it was just an attack.

MC played very greedy and got punished. all MC had in his base was 2 sentries and 2 zealots. of course he's gonna lose to ~10 roaches and ~20 zerglings.


I agree that he played greedy and got punished BUT that was clearly an allin. If he didnt kill MC outright or deal decent amount of damage. He would be having 19 drones off two base and no lair tech.. Its an allin.


then all he does is drone up for the next 5 minutes. MC has no army. yes of course he would have been behind but he wouldn't have downright lost the moment the attack failed.
sereniity
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Sweden1159 Posts
May 18 2011 15:06 GMT
#11
Oh god I want a GIF on MCs BM, I don't have a GSTL ticket :D!
"I am Day9, Holy shit!"
WinteRR
Profile Joined May 2011
Australia201 Posts
May 18 2011 15:07 GMT
#12
On May 18 2011 23:57 Heavenly wrote:
It's getting a little bit annoying seeing MC all-inned every single game he plays, then people complain MC is incapable of doing anything but two base plays or scream that he's in a slump. Then they act cocky like they accomplished something with a build order win lulz.


That is a really poor way to describe DRG's hard-earned win. They have surely done their research on MC. Maybe you should reflect on your game analysis a little and realize that DRG simply punished excessively greedy play by MC.
Kaiwa
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Netherlands2209 Posts
May 18 2011 15:07 GMT
#13
I think it was mostly a joke
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T0fuuu
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia2275 Posts
May 18 2011 15:08 GMT
#14
On May 19 2011 00:00 stangstang wrote:
that wasn't an all in. it was just an attack.

MC played very greedy and got punished. all MC had in his base was 2 sentries and 2 zealots. of course he's gonna lose to ~10 roaches and ~20 zerglings.


LoL. No. I think running like 10 roaches and 20 lings that early in the game is the definition of allin. You are pretty much committed into killing the nexus or you will be behind.

No denying that MC just chose a bad build to play against roach ling allins on that build. But after defending bombers marine scv allin he must have been pretty confident in his micro.
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
May 18 2011 15:08 GMT
#15
There is no need to get upset on an allin either way

DRG denied the scout, and he knows that in a long game it COULD be hard to face MC

So you go All-in, not to mention that you ALSO in the case that you lose you still have someone else in your team who could perhaps take on MC.

In this map, MC is known for expanding quickly on this map, frankly anyone does with that free expo pretty much.

It was a well thought out risk/reward, he took it, MC lost.

This is not the GSL, this isn't a BoX, this is the Teamleague, contrary to popular belief appearently, they are not NEARLY the same in both games, atittude and strategy.

the map also tailors well to this build, the fact that you can take down the rocks to open a much wider choke.

GG, well played?
WriterXiao8~~
Shai
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada806 Posts
May 18 2011 15:09 GMT
#16
Though I didn't see this, it strikes me as going a little too far to knock on the glass, let alone pound it. People can chose to watch ceremonies or not, but it's hard to ignore someone assaulting your pod. I hope GOM makes a statement regarding this.
Eagerly awaiting Techies.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
May 18 2011 15:09 GMT
#17
There are no team rivals yet they haven't played each other enough... theres a ton of ceremonies (percieved BM) in GSTL this is nothing too unusual
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
redviper
Profile Joined May 2010
Pakistan2333 Posts
May 18 2011 15:09 GMT
#18
I am actually buying the GSTL ticket just to see today's games.
stangstang
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada281 Posts
May 18 2011 15:10 GMT
#19
it was a well thought out attack.

Sniping the first stalker to keep mc in the dark.
Stealing gas to lower the sentry count on a wide ramp.
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
May 18 2011 15:11 GMT
#20
The all-inning and strategy in general isn't the thread topic guys. =(
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