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I'm here. Nothing much has transpired while I was at school, it seems. My vote stays on redtooth.
Impervious still hasn't shown me where redtooth's solid analysis on scum is, so I'm going to assume that he couldn't find any.
I agree with Mig's lynch priority list, it seems quite accurate. My biggest scumreads right now are on redtooth and impervious.
My suspicion of impervious, however, is largely based upon redtooth flipping scum, so I'm not advocating a lynch on impervious... yet.
Let's lynch redtooth today and see where we stand.
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
I'm going with Impervious. He pushed for lynching EM day three by saying we would have "more to gain" by lynching him. He defends sinani without providing a reasonable explanation why. I think he is the best bet for today.
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I don´t like the fact that there are 4 up for the lynch today. ilj, orgolove, impervious and redtooth. It´s a close lynch, and therefore easy for Mafia to manipulate.
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Vote counts for the benefit of Forumite:
orgolove 4 Forumite Xedat AirBladeOrange ilovejonn
redtooth 5 Varpulis DropBear chaos13 Mig elmizzt
ilovejonn 2 orgolove impervious
impervious 1 kitaman27
Redtooth is to be lynched with 5 votes.
The following people have yet to vote: jaminz redtooth
I suggest narrowing it down to the top two vote getters. Everybody, pick a side. Who is scummier, orgolove or redtooth? The vote is so spread out that mafia can hide by voting for somebody who won't get lynched anyways.
If you have an extremely compelling argument for why we should vote for somebody else, post it. If you're picking somebody to vote for based upon the current situation, I ask you to limit yourself to redtooth or orgolove. if you vote for somebody else, you'd better give a good reason.
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@kita I'm going to be bold and say that if impervious is scum, redtooth probably is too. Look at how hardcore impervious has been defending redtooth. If you think that impervious is scum, vote redtooth. if he flips scum, impervious is a great lynch tomorrow, and if redtooth flips town, we leave impervious alone.
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On May 18 2011 08:27 Varpulis wrote: @kita I'm going to be bold and say that if impervious is scum, redtooth probably is too. Look at how hardcore impervious has been defending redtooth. If you think that impervious is scum, vote redtooth. if he flips scum, impervious is a great lynch tomorrow, and if redtooth flips town, we leave impervious alone.
A statement and its converse aren't logically equivalent. What makes you want to lynch redtooth first? Is no one willing to switch over to impervious? If my vote is going to be meaningless, I'll switch over, but I think I'll wait a bit longer.
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I'm saying that it is very unlikely that a vote on impervious is going to accomplish anything today. There are two people who haven't voted yet. Unless you plan on pushing impervious's lynch, it would be better to put a vote on somebody who might actually be lynched today. If you want to post an analysis on Impervious, by all means do so.
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Varpuli, how would redtooth flipping town prove impervious to be town as well?
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it wouldn't. That statement of mine is incorrect. Imp is scum if redtooth is, but if redtooth is town, imp isn't necessarily town as well.
One of the big scumtells that I see from imp is his hardcore defense of redtooth. I hadn't considered the rest of the evidence against him when I wrote that post. I'm looking through his posts now.
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On May 17 2011 10:46 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2011 07:54 Impervious wrote: With the lynch of EM, we learn about ilj, and he seems to be more detrimental to the town than sinani. So he seems like the better lynch of the two right now, even though I`d like to see both gone tbh.
Good enough of a reason? Show nested quote +On May 12 2011 09:43 Impervious wrote: Because we accomplish more through a lynch of EM than through a lynch of sinani (I mean, from our limited knowledge), I can't see why you would want to switch right now..... Show nested quote +On May 13 2011 22:31 Impervious wrote: As much as I'm starting to get a vibe that sinani is actually town (and that we have better choices for a lynch today), I really, really don't like how close the vote was. So I'm going to stick with it for the moment. Conclusions: -Impervious and jaminz are my two remaining scum suspects at the moment. Impervious defended sinani pretty hard without providing any decent reasons besides we would get more information lynching someone else.
On May 18 2011 09:04 Varpulis wrote: Unless you plan on pushing impervious's lynch, it would be better to put a vote on somebody who might actually be lynched today. If you want to post an analysis on Impervious, by all means do so.
This is what I posted earlier.
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alright, nvm. I think I missed that.
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Shit impervious is SCUM. Lotsa bullshit in his posting. More after the lynch. i need to know whether I can use his posts about redtooth as evidence or not.
not changing my vote, just making an observation. Nothing wrong with kita's vote, that's all I'll say. I'm not going to push for a lynch on imp now though. redtooth is scum too, and I really don't like the idea of a last minute vote switch, so lynching him today is fine.
Check Impervious' post history if you don't believe me.
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I've been pretty MIA thus far, as you all have undoubtedly seen. I've been reading the thread, but just barely. I'm going to vote for Impervious after looking over his post history and reading the analysis from Kita and others.
I'm not voting for ilovejonn because the only two people who are currently voting for him are people I don't really trust (orgolove and Impervious).
I'm not voting for orgolove (yet) because I think that while his posting has been very erratic, I don't really think it's possible that scum would be that wild/weird this late in the game (and with only two of them left).
I'm not voting for redtooth (yet) because while his analysis was completely wrong in the early game, I don't think he's done enough to raise my suspicion about him to the point where I'd vote for him over Impervious. If I had to rank my top suspects it'd probably look something like this:
1. Impervious 2. ilovejonn 3. redtooth 4. orgolove . . . (5). Kitaman and some others I just have weird gut feelings about
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Ok back. I went back and looked at Rising_Phoenix's posts from day 1 before he was replaced and mutated into Impervious. It's backflip time!
His experience previous to this game consists of only one game, Newbie Mini Mafia 1 in which he was mafia. A post game analysis of his posts was provided by kitaman27. His posts were full of saying not much at all.
Here are some of his day 1 posts:
After the early Irish kerfuffle, which started before the Day 1 post:
On May 04 2011 12:56 Rising_Phoenix wrote:Who is irish_punk and why are people already voting for him? I probably missed something. Criticism of redtooth. This is his only major attempt at discussion. His arguments seem reasonable and are all on issues that were current at the time, as opposed to his big mafia post in Newbie 1 (see the kita analysis above).
The rest of his posts are basically him saying he can't keep up.
On May 05 2011 06:00 Rising_Phoenix wrote: I'm sitting here hoping that something interesting happen but all I see is:
*SPAM* *SPAM* *SPAM* *SPAM* *SPAM* *SPAM* *SPAM*
Also lots of finger pointing without any actual evidence. I almost say vote for the spammers so at least we can have some constructive comments.
Also, the reason why my one post was unsubstantial is because I am still waiting for something to stick out. Right now all the spam looks suspicious, or at least is really annoying.
On May 05 2011 12:23 Rising_Phoenix wrote: This thread is going so fast I'm exploding!!! Maybe around 4 am it'll slow down so I can do some post checking and post some analysis but I honestly can't keep up at this rate.
On May 06 2011 05:15 Rising_Phoenix wrote: You know what, vote for me. I honestly can't handle so many posts and I don't have time to write something, I know I'm not contributing but I honestly thought I'd have the time to actually contribute to this but I don't. Maybe if there won't be another page of posts by the time I'm done writing this I'd be able to feel like there isn't such a huge amount of information coming in, but if you want me off I honestly don't mind right now.
Rising_Phoenix was then replaced. These posts scream bored and overwhelmed townie to me. I'm retracting my suspicion of Impervious, even though the information lynch was a bad idea.
Redtooth doesn't look like he's going to show. He's still my number one target but I'm considering changing if he's going to be modkilled anyway.
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That leaves orgolove and Jaminz as next in line and possibly this guy:
On May 18 2011 04:04 AirbladeOrange wrote: Good news: The thunderstorm made me grow tentacles and I have a secret role because of it.
Man I know I'm tunneling you but you still aren't contributing.
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In a way, it´s a waste to lynch someone who is going to be modkilled anyway, especially when there are so many other potential scum to lynch. Waiting a day to lynch only mean that another Town will die tonight.
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United States4714 Posts
If red doesn't post in the next like 20 min I will change my vote to Impervious.
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
Careful Mig, if only you switch then it becomes 4-4 with orgolove. If you switch, we need someone else to switch too.
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We need 3 to switch, including Mlg, in order to lynch Impervious. I could help, although I´d prefer a lynch of orgolove.
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I'll switch with mig if red's gonna take the modkill.
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